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Cycling Ireland Full Comp Licence Cost

  • 13-01-2015 12:52pm
    #1
    Lazairus
    Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭


    Greetings

    After two years absence Ive decided to Race A3 Domestic in 2015.

    I thought it would be great to renew my licence early.

    In my opinion it is quite expensive at 160 euro
    (120 e for the licence and 40 for club membership)

    I understand the fee structure and that is cheaper for club membershio and affiliated etc

    I will pay it but ideally it should be around 80 euro(triathlon ireland is 58 euro)
    http://www.triathlonireland.com/membership.html

    I understand the insurance etc, but why then is it so expensive, if cycling ireland have 20000+ members, what do they do with all that money.

    When I use to race, it was a big bone of contention, that no money was put back into local racing. That organisers of races have to pay cycling ireland to host races and pay for prizes.

    I understand CI, as a voluntary body, are improving all the time and I have respect forthe organisation and what it does.

    thanks

    Laz

    ps I am aware of this thread
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=58207143

    Do you think Cycling Ireland Licence is Evenly distrubuted 21 votes

    Currently Investing in National teams and Developent is the way to go
    0% 0 votes
    I feel they should invest more local events and races.
    28% 6 votes
    They are doing the best they can with the Allocated Resources
    52% 11 votes
    No opinion.
    19% 4 votes


Comments

  • #2
    Lusk_Doyle
    Registered Users Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭Lusk_Doyle


    Not all members take out racing licences so only a minority are paying 125 for a full racing licence. The club membership fee is nothing to do with CI.


  • #3
    Lazairus
    Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭Lazairus


    Lusk_Doyle wrote: »
    Not all members take out racing licences so only a minority are paying 125 for a full racing licence. The club membership fee is nothing to do with CI.



    Understood,

    It still doesnt take from the fact that more funds should be invested locally.

    why is the 125 nothing to do with cycling ireland?

    thanks for the reply

    Laz


  • #4
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,266 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Lazairus wrote: »
    ...what do they do with all that money.

    Full breakdown of where the money comes from and where it goes is published annually.

    They're roundabout breaking even, so if you want to reduce the cost of a racing licence and put more money into local racing, you'll have to make significant cuts somewhere.

    Bear in mind too that some revenue comes with conditions attached, such as Irish Sports Council grants.


  • #5
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,269 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    How many triathlons do you get for that €58? Then how much do you pay to enter a triathlon?

    Compare that with Road races - often 2-3 a week within each province from February to September, plus club league racing

    Add to that multiple CX races over the winter

    Then there's track, BMX, MTB'ing opportunities, as well as quite heavy investment in the likes of Corkagh Park

    On top of that there are numerous CI sanctioned leisure events pretty much throughout the year. Your €125 goes a very long way

    Don't think we can really compare with the triathlon community.


  • #6
    ednwireland
    Registered Users Posts: 14,281 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    club competition licence plus club membership plus extra ulster fee 90 euro. Yeh it's pretty expensive imo for me to ride a few tt's every year.
    But I pay it.

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



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  • #7
    Lusk_Doyle
    Registered Users Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭Lusk_Doyle


    Lazairus wrote: »
    Understood,

    It still doesnt take from the fact that more funds should be invested locally.

    why is the 125 nothing to do with cycling ireland?

    thanks for the reply

    Laz

    I said that the club membership fee is nothing to do with CI, not the €125 full racing licence.


  • #8
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,269 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Beasty wrote: »
    Then how much do you pay to enter a triathlon?
    Actually there you go - 1 triathlon for the price of 2 CI racing licences. I stand by my comment you cannot really compare the 2


  • #9
    Peterx
    Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Peterx


    If we're going to continue comparing apples with laptops here's a cycling race for $281.45 https://granfondony.com/ - one off expensive races prove nothing about any sport.

    The point remains that €160 for a licence to be allowed pay a further €10 or €15 per road race and €15 to €25 per offroad race is expensive.
    The question is is it worth it.


  • #10
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,269 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    No-one makes any money out of racing bikes (not below the elite level anyway) - be it racers, organisers or the likes of CI. Reduce the fees and something else has to give. Is it worth it? Plenty of people clearly think so, as more and more keep paying it.


  • #11
    lennymc
    Registered Users Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭lennymc


    Peterx wrote: »
    The point remains that €160 for a licence...

    125 for a licence


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  • #12
    Alek
    Registered Users Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭Alek


    Exaxctly €155 for unattached cyclists.


  • #13
    nak
    Registered Users Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭nak


    Beasty wrote: »
    No-one makes any money out of racing bikes (not below the elite level anyway) - be it racers, organisers or the likes of CI. Reduce the fees and something else has to give. Is it worth it? Plenty of people clearly think so, as more and more keep paying it.

    Organising a race can be quite profitable in some cases, good way to help fund a club.


  • #14
    Inquitus
    Registered Users Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    nak wrote: »
    Organising a race can be quite profitable in some cases, good way to help fund a club.

    I think most races run at a loss or breakeven level.


  • #15
    Plastik
    Registered Users Posts: 2,964 ✭✭✭Plastik


    I'd love to hear more about the profitability of running races because we have trouble getting ours to break even, one of which is one of the biggest one day races in the country.


  • #16
    Peterx
    Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Peterx


    I think that's a slightly different discussion to be honest. Race entry fees come after the licence fee.

    Clubs should not be making a loss to run races. At the very least it not fair on the few clubs that do come forward to run races.

    However I am amazed at the largesse of cash prizes after road races. There's no need for money prizes down to 8th place in cat 1/2 and 6th in cat 3.
    In increments of a tenner that alone is €210 for cat 3 and €360 for cat 1/2 or 57 riders entry fees at a €10 a head (38 riders at €15 entry fee), just to cover prize money. Madness.


  • #17
    Peterx
    Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Peterx


    lennymc wrote: »
    125 for a licence

    apologies, not 160, it's 155.


  • #18
    nak
    Registered Users Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭nak


    Inquitus wrote: »
    I think most races run at a loss or breakeven level.

    It depends what kind of race it is and how many entrants. I'm assuming that road races would be the most expensive to organise, I was referring to off-road.


  • #19
    Eamonnator
    Registered Users Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    nak wrote: »
    It depends what kind of race it is and how many entrants. I'm assuming that road races would be the most expensive to organise, I was referring to off-road.

    Off-races have expenses, that road races don't have: Paramedics, Coillte, timing, number plates, toilets, tent hire, Uplift for DH races, course preparation, taping of courses, etc.


  • #20
    nak
    Registered Users Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭nak


    Eamonnator wrote: »
    Off-races have expenses, that road races don't have: Paramedics, Coillte, timing, number plates, toilets, tent hire, Uplift for DH races, course preparation, taping of courses, etc.

    Wasn't referring to DH races either, have friends who organise CX races in the UK of the no frills variety and they make a profit from it due to sponsors covering the cost of tape, numbers etc.

    Was merely suggesting that it could be a way of making money for clubs (not a huge amount, but something).


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