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Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

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  • #632
    billie1b
    Registered Users Posts: 3,804 ✭✭✭billie1b


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Being in contract for something doesn't translate into paying for something. It won't happen medium term. FR will use 200 gates or buses when required.

    Im not saying it will happen, I was saying that FR are willing to pay for it if needs be as they are badgering on at DAA to get it done as that was what was originally planned, I cant see the cost being much extra, if anything, for an additional 50ft of building anyways


  • #633
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,720 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    VG31 wrote: »
    Wasn't there a prefab like building that was attached to Pier D that was demolished a year or two ago?

    Yes, it was referred to as "The Stables" due to the noise of the wooden floors. Horrible boarding area. Thank God it is gone.


  • #634
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Tenger wrote: »
    Yes, it was referred to as "The Stables" due to the noise of the wooden floors. Horrible boarding area. Thank God it is gone.

    Last time I was there there were still signs for its gates pointing to a locked door - not one that opened out to nothing though (unfortunate for stopping any Laurel & Hardy style comedy!)


  • #635
    billie1b
    Registered Users Posts: 3,804 ✭✭✭billie1b


    That TFL/Stables/Dump must be gone near 4 years now


  • #636
    Aphex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 653 ✭✭✭Aphex


    Anyone know the reason for the new 308T stand?

    2a9a151.jpg


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  • #637
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    There was a BA Embraer (for LCY) sitting there the other day, with another one right behind it. Looked great :D


  • #638
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Aphex wrote: »
    Anyone know the reason for the new 308T stand?

    2a9a151.jpg

    Stands for first rotation aircraft, first departure aircraft will use these.


  • #639
    Aphex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 653 ✭✭✭Aphex


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Stands for first rotation aircraft, first departure aircraft will use these.

    Ahh I see, thanks.


  • #640
    Lockheed
    Registered Users Posts: 664 ✭✭✭Lockheed


    Dublin Airport Investing 14 Million to Expand T2 Car Park:
    http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/15-04-20/Dublin_Airport_Investing_%E2%82%AC14_Million_To_Expand_T2_Car_Park.aspx


  • #641
    18MonthsaSlave
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 574 ✭✭✭18MonthsaSlave


    Lockheed wrote: »
    Dublin Airport Investing 14 Million to Expand T2 Car Park:
    http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/15-04-20/Dublin_Airport_Investing_%E2%82%AC14_Million_To_Expand_T2_Car_Park.aspx
    That is a scandal.


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  • #642
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    18MonthsaSlave wrote: »
    That is a scandal.

    Is it really?

    Do explain.


  • #643
    18MonthsaSlave
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 574 ✭✭✭18MonthsaSlave


    Nim wrote: »
    Is it really?

    Do explain.
    Should be self-evident.


  • #644
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    18MonthsaSlave wrote: »
    Should be self-evident.

    How? Is expansion a bad thing?


  • #645
    man98
    Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭man98


    Yeah, he has a point. They should be using 16/34 for overflow if only we had an 18minthsaslavel led government...


  • #646
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    18MonthsaSlave wrote: »
    Should be self-evident.

    So, forgive me. I'm just not seeing the scandal.


  • #647
    18MonthsaSlave
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 574 ✭✭✭18MonthsaSlave


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    How? Is expansion a bad thing?
    site paid for(or there for free), design already done, additional floors being added to an existing design. the expense of designing a mutli-storey and putting in the infrastructure was already borne. additional 1400 spaces should not be more than a 7 digit figure.


  • #648
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,720 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    man98 wrote: »
    Yeah, he has a point. They should be using 16/34 for overflow if only we had an 18minthsaslavel led government...

    Lets rein it in a little.

    He has a point about the cost of an extension (which like the M50 should have been done 4 years ago)
    As a corollary, not everyone will be outraged about the cost, so argue your point logically and politely whatever side you are on regarding this issue


  • #649
    BonkeyDonker
    Registered Users Posts: 571 ✭✭✭BonkeyDonker


    18MonthsaSlave wrote: »
    site paid for(or there for free), design already done, additional floors being added to an existing design. the expense of designing a mutli-storey and putting in the infrastructure was already borne. additional 1400 spaces should not be more than a 7 digit figure.

    €10,000 a space seems at the bottom end of the industry standards scale of €10-/14K (and less than the original cost of the existing spaces @ €12k) - which seem to be for new builds, and not factoring in any additional costs of having to work around an already operating car park - which may limit the amount of work or times at which work can be done.


  • #650
    GCU Flexible Demeanour
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,257 ✭✭✭GCU Flexible Demeanour


    BonkeyDonker wrote: »
    €10,000 a space seems at the bottom end of the industry standards scale of €10-/14K
    Just to put a source on that:
    http://www.buildcost.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Buildcost-Construction-Cost-Guide-Second-Half-2012.pdf

    Cost Range €
    Multi Storey Car Park 10,000 - 14,000 per space
    €10,000 a space, spread over 360 days, is about €28 a day for one year.

    To put a context on that, the maximum daily charge for short-term parking at Dublin Airport is €40.

    I suspect they'll recoup the investment pretty quickly.


  • #651
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    €10,000 a space? That's one expensive car park! I'm sure as the poster above pointed out they will make it back.


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  • #652
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,720 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »
    ......
    €10,000 a space, spread over 360 days, is about €28 a day for one year.

    .........To put a context on that, the maximum daily charge for short-term parking at Dublin Airport is €40.[/URL]

    I suspect they'll recoup the investment pretty quickly.
    Looks like monopolised carparking is just as profitable as aircraft leasing and parts!!!


  • #653
    18MonthsaSlave
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 574 ✭✭✭18MonthsaSlave


    buildcost for entire project in not valid. It is a project that was paused at a particular storey and then continued later.
    when will the make it back quickly? 2nd week Jan thru start of June and 2nd week september through to middle of December or is it all business travellers? If so the captains of Irish industry will be spending more time abroad than in the country?
    Who is expecting 100% occupancy on upper floors of the multi-storey.
    Who expects the demand to come when most demand originating in Ireland for business flight locations is already satisfied.
    If they provided info on a new pricing model for parking at the same time I'd be more positive. I know that my company wouldn't pay for premium parking spaces when I was travelling out of Dublin on business.


  • #654
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Was a passenger in a car last November dropping someone to Dublin for a flight to Dubai, short term car park was just short of Full, took us a while to find a space. If it was empty they wouldnt expand it. That's kinda obvious. I think its good, this country is fixated on waiting until something is beyond its Max until finding a solution to the problem. Forward planning is what's needed


  • #655
    lord lucan
    Registered Users Posts: 9,574 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    They'll fill that no problem. From March until October the T2 multi story is packed solid and they have to send the excess to block c at t1. They've added a T2 plus car park on part of the old EI HOB that is only temporary and cost over half a million but they expect to make a profit on it in its short life.

    They didn't build the full whack of the T2 multi story in 2010 as they were unsure when the extra capacity would be required. It was built in such a way though as to allow easy enough expansion when required and now is that time as pax numbers rise dramatically. Don't underestimate how many people will pay a premium in order to park in front of the building and not have to drag themselves and luggage onto a bus.

    If there's one thing the daa know and do well it's car parks. Actually make that 2,advertising is the other.


  • #656
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,720 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Must be hard on the construction workers however:
    17191314506_779d2382dd.jpgGymnastic security point by tearbringer, on Flickr


  • #657
    18MonthsaSlave
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 574 ✭✭✭18MonthsaSlave


    here is an unarguable example of poor planning. Who outside the DAA is to blame?


  • #658
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,720 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    18MonthsaSlave wrote: »
    here is an unarguable example of poor planning. Who outside the DAA is to blame?
    Why the witch hunt outside the DAA?

    As pointed out above, this was forward planned but not implemented. It is now being implemented at a cost that will be recoverable within 12-18 months.


  • #659
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    18MonthsaSlave wrote: »
    here is an unarguable example of poor planning. Who outside the DAA is to blame?

    The planning permission granted in 2009 and extended until 2019 is for a 6 storey car park + an 11 storey hotel.

    fc56303d8f21b18117510cc2eef64136.png

    What were you saying about planning?

    The car park extension is badly needed and planned from the beginning. If anything, it should have happened sooner. The cost, well, the cost has been prooved to be reasonable. And none of your claims make any sense.


  • #660
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    €10,000 a space? That's one expensive car park! I'm sure as the poster above pointed out they will make it back.
    Did you read all the posts? Its at the low end of construction costs


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  • #661
    18MonthsaSlave
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 574 ✭✭✭18MonthsaSlave


    No it is not. as all the preparation has already been done and infrastructure is in place. That extension should not be an 8 figure build project.


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