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The re-election auction has begun

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,663 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    ... well perhaps spending the money on core infrastructural items like dunno, water?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Simon2015


    Sounds like FF all over again.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Thread from Irish Economy merged with this one as it is the same topic. If anyone has any particular views on the appropriate forum/sub forum, please PM me. Otherwise, I would propose to keep auction politics, giveaway budgets and general talk about budget 2016 submissions from various parties (especially the govt) in one thread and the Main forum seems like the most appropriate place.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    According to tomorrow's SB post the government may have as much as €2bn to play with in tax cuts and spending increases in the next budget, their last before the general election.

    We have seen what this type of generosity has done to the country under FF in the not too distant past and the outcome of that.

    Cut the marginal rate of income tax, spend the rest on debt reduction, infrastructure, housing and more teachers, SNA's, Gardai etc and on services for the genuinely vulnerable if it has been found that the cuts have been too damaging...

    To hell with any unjustified welfare increases, that budget is already consuming far more than it should!


  • Registered Users Posts: 301 ✭✭glacial_pace71


    Bear in mind the mentality of some of the current FG and Lab ministers. The FG/Lab/DL 'rainbow' of 1994-1997 kept to a policy of moderate cuts in tax and higher spending in key areas as economic growth permitted. They met all the Maastricht convergence criteria for EMU and so allowed the Central Bank of Ireland to keep cutting interest rates. It was sometimes incoherent (e.g. fiscal policy of budgetary constraints with a monetary policy that was pumping credit into the economy) but broadly was the right approach to take. They were trounced at the election by a Bertie-controlled FF, which proceeded to create a ridiculous inflationary boom with tax cuts that couldn't overcome the structural constraints of the economy (e.g. poor infrastructure, inadequate labour market activation measures etc etc) and that just saw the money frittered away on higher prices. Those same FG and Lab deputies are still scarred re the legends of what might have been, 1997-2002. Expect auction politics from their old guard.
    The political culture of Ireland is somewhat like that of 1980s Somalia, e.g. the various henchmen loot and plunder everything for their own clansmen. It has always been thus: FG/Lab decry FF's decentralisation policy as an abandonment of spatial planning, but you could find a loot/plunder 'delivering for my constituents' vibe to a considerable amount of decisions made by any Government minister in any decade, e.g. FF would criticise FG's Lindsay Gaeltacht areas of the 1950s, in which large swathes of politically important territory were to be redesignated as Gaeltacht in order to harvest public money.
    The most interesting element to the auction politics would be to see what SF have to offer FF or FG as a red line negotiating position, as at present much of SF policies are oriented towards stopping the various Socialist or Socialist Worker groups on the far left, but it's a curious sort of 'left' wing policy that involves opposition to taxes on unearned income (e.g. property taxes) etc.
    The public will largely vote for the looting, marauding clansman, but if the public services are run like unresponsive colonial administrations (e.g. the HSE) then the humanising element sometimes does entail a Minister loading up the caravan with booty, (e.g. Reilly and north county Dublin when as health minister). I'd be more worried when I hear of Ministerial advisers talk of 'Year 1' issues versus 'Year 4' issues, i.e. they won't even pretend to govern for the country's long-term interests but instead everything is restricted to the current electoral cycle.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Considering buoyant exchequer returns, FG may be desperate enough to do it

    I am not so sure. Removing those on lower incomes from the USC may be a waste in vote gathering terms because the hard left have peddled so much freebie nonsense to those in that income bracket that cutting the USC isn't going to be enough for FG to win back those votes. IF they can manage to magic up a way of cutting it totally, which I can't see happening then they will clean up when it comes to the centrist/middle and upper class voters.

    Personally, I would like to see the USC kept in place, as it broadens our ridiculously narrow tax base somewhat and the €2bn be used in education, transportation and debt reduction.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Icepick


    Would there be anyone who would vote for the government if they specifically decided not to have a give away budget, but instead promised to keep working on balancing the books, getting Ireland back into the black and continuing to reduce the deficit in circumstances where we have curiously high growth (suggestive of another potential bubble)?

    That's who I'd like to vote for.
    you need a liberal party for that, not socialists and conservatives


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Would there be anyone who would vote for the government if they specifically decided not to have a give away budget, but instead promised to keep working on balancing the books, getting Ireland back into the black and continuing to reduce the deficit in circumstances where we have curiously high growth (suggestive of another potential bubble)?

    I agree with the debt reduction, but I want them to target relief at those that deserve it, IMO working parents with kids and our elite on 34k plus paying 51% marginal rate...

    possibly raise the minimum wage, this would be contentious, but maybe do it in Dublin only or have a higher one for Dublin, if the minimum wage is meant to provide a wage you can live on, why is it the same in Dublin, where the cost of living is higher and if you have to rent, is far higher?


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