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Former Sinn Féin Councillor - "no difference between IRA and Sinn Féin"

  • 02-05-2015 6:52pm
    #1
    MakeEmLaugh
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    Killian Forde, a former Councillor with Sinn Féin who left the party in late 2009, has left a lengthy message on social media explaining why he left, what his views are of Sinn Féin, and that he has "no wish to return to Ireland" from Sierra Leone.

    He said

    "I left Sinn Fein as I slowly realised they lost the war but were fooling themselves they had won. It made me cringe. They lost - thats [sic] fine they were up against a powerful enemy and they proved themselves resiltent [sic] and courageous. Just a note I see no difference between the IRA and Sinn Fein - from my ten years in Sinn Fein as far as I could tell it was the same organisation."

    I wonder how many people will claim that Forde is wrong about Sinn Féin and the IRA being the same organisation.

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  • #2
    joe912
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    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    Killian Forde, a former Councillor with Sinn Féin who left the party in late 2009, has left a lengthy message on social media explaining why he left, what his views are of Sinn Féin, and that he has "no wish to return to Ireland" from Sierra Leone.

    He said

    "I left Sinn Fein as I slowly realised they lost the war but were fooling themselves they had won. It made me cringe. They lost - thats [sic] fine they were up against a powerful enemy and they proved themselves resiltent [sic] and courageous. Just a note I see no difference between the IRA and Sinn Fein - from my ten years in Sinn Fein as far as I could tell it was the same organisation."

    I wonder how many people will claim that Forde is wrong about Sinn Féin and the IRA being the same organisation.

    6034073

    This makes no sense is he saying that all members of sinn vein were in the ira or that all members of the ira are in sinn fein. How is this supposed to be worth reporting. A nothing story, from a nobody.


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    For Reals
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    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    Killian Forde, a former Councillor with Sinn Féin who left the party in late 2009, has left a lengthy message on social media explaining why he left, what his views are of Sinn Féin, and that he has "no wish to return to Ireland" from Sierra Leone.

    He said

    "I left Sinn Fein as I slowly realised they lost the war but were fooling themselves they had won. It made me cringe. They lost - thats [sic] fine they were up against a powerful enemy and they proved themselves resiltent [sic] and courageous. Just a note I see no difference between the IRA and Sinn Fein - from my ten years in Sinn Fein as far as I could tell it was the same organisation."

    I wonder how many people will claim that Forde is wrong about Sinn Féin and the IRA being the same organisation.

    6034073

    Was he a sniper? In any way, is he handing himself over to the authorities? Just curious, if in his eyes they are the same thing.

    He initially said:
    "Forde believes that he would have been a “complete fool to stay and watch the organisation destroy itself”. He considers that “Sinn Féin isn’t finished but they need to reform internally."

    http://www.villagemagazine.ie/index.php/2010/04/dumping-sf-for-labourinterview-killian-forde/

    He was elected as a Sinn Fein councillor, joined Labour, but kept the seat and then stepped down.

    He strikes me as someone unsure as to their political allegiances, which is fine, just don't go joining parties willy nilly.


  • #4
    Sand
    Registered Users Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    joe912 wrote: »
    This makes no sense is he saying that all members of sinn vein were in the ira or that all members of the ira are in sinn fein. How is this supposed to be worth reporting. A nothing story, from a nobody.

    Different sub groupings under the same overall organisation and leadership with significant crossover in membership, especially at the higher levels. Being a member of the IRA doesn't preclude someone from leading SF. Indeed, some might say its been a prerequisite.

    Just not sure why people get so worked up about it - everyone knows. But despite selling IRA merchandise in their gift shop they remain in denial.

    Poor old Killian Forde will be subject to the Two Minutes of Hate now. Wouldn't be surprised if SF suddenly determine he was a drug dealer, a secret British spy and an enemy of the peace process.


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    Savage93
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    joe912 wrote: »
    This makes no sense is he saying that all members of sinn vein were in the ira or that all members of the ira are in sinn fein. How is this supposed to be worth reporting. A nothing story, from a nobody.

    The shinnerbot reply didn't take long to come out,wait for the smear campaign.


  • #6
    joe swanson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭joe swanson


    Is anyone really surprised.

    I'm even less surprised by the shinner response. Attack attack. Sure the dear leader wasn't even in the ira


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  • #7
    expectationlost
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    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    Killian Forde, a former Councillor with Sinn Féin who left the party in late 2009, has left a lengthy message on social media explaining why he left, what his views are of Sinn Féin, and that he has "no wish to return to Ireland" from Sierra Leone.
    on p.ie http://www.politics.ie/forum/labour/145467-killian-forde-rejected-labour-members-4.html#post9151454

    and the Sun claimed its an exclusive! ha http://www.thesun.ie/irishsol/homepage/news/irishpolitics/6439887/Former-Sinn-Fein-councillor-blasts-politics.html


  • #8
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Two different organisations but heavily linked, much more so than SF would let on. Two sides of the same coin would be a fair comment to make.

    I never really liked Killian Forde to be honest, he was very sharp in many respects but a bit of an egotist. Likewise when he left Sinn Fein he declared it a "crap party" (much of his criticism was spot on) only to jump into Labour while declaring them the proper party of the working class. We all saw how that worked out in the end.

    Anytime I met him he was alright but he was definitely all over the place when it came to politics.


  • #9
    Thomas_.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Thomas_.


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Two different organisations but heavily linked, much more so than SF would let on. Two sides of the same coin would be a fair comment to make.

    I never really liked Killian Forde to be honest, he was very sharp in many respects but a bit of an egotist. Likewise when he left Sinn Fein he declared it a "crap party" (much of his criticism was spot on) only to jump into Labour while declaring them the proper party of the working class. We all saw how that worked out in the end.

    Anytime I met him he was alright but he was definitely all over the place when it came to politics.

    IMO, the IRA was as much the military arm of SF as SF was the political arm of the IRA. That´s how I see them heavily linked. One can´t separate one from another. It´s just that I don´t know how many "former" IRA men held SF membership at the same time. Well, I know at least of one who admitted to has been in the IRA and is since a couple of years the Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland. The other one, who still is in denial about his "former IRA membership" is the President of SF and that since more than 30 years.


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    For Reals
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    Thomas_. wrote: »
    IMO, the IRA was as much the military arm of SF as SF was the political arm of the IRA. That´s how I see them heavily linked. One can´t separate one from another. It´s just that I don´t know how many "former" IRA men held SF membership at the same time. Well, I know at least of one who admitted to has been in the IRA and is since a couple of years the Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland. The other one, who still is in denial about his "former IRA membership" is the President of SF and that since more than 30 years.

    I agree. And it is pretty much a non-story as I grew up on the understanding that Sinn Fein was the political wing of the IRA. I don't think anyone can deny that bond and keep a straight face.
    I suppose it coming from the new much heralded Sinn Fein academic Hipster type floating about these days was the 'story' but not any news content...unless it's the 1970's again, is it the 1970's again? I quite like the music from that period.


  • #11
    MakeEmLaugh
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    For Reals wrote: »
    I suppose it coming from the new much heralded Sinn Fein academic Hipster type floating about these days was the 'story' but not any news content...unless it's the 1970's again

    That sentence didn't even begin to make sense.


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  • #12
    davycc
    Registered Users Posts: 9,019 ✭✭✭davycc


    joe swanson wrote: »
    Is anyone really surprised.

    I'm even less surprised by the shinner response. Attack attack. Sure the dear leader wasn't even in the ira

    makes fek all diference either way ;)


  • #13
    For Reals
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    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    That sentence didn't even begin to make sense.

    The only thing worth publishing about it was it was coming from a former bright hope and he from the new 'class' of Sinn Fein supporter Sinn Fein wanted as poster boys and girls, (partly why Forde left). Selling themselves as upper/middle class when the base of their support is working class.
    Paraphrasing an article quoting Forde saying as much.

    I thought it was clear ;)


  • #14
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    It's gas the way he (rightly) bemoans SF parachuting in middle class media-friendly types over long-standing activists but then turns around and says he hated dealing with constituents and single mothers etc. His evident snobbery is all too clear despite his banging on about the importance of working-class activists. As I said above, Killian was always an egotistical sort who was more concerned with advancing himself than he was with trying to participate in political change, and in fairness, he largely admits that above.


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