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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

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  • #812
    Roverek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19 ✭Roverek


    tayto lover wrote: »

    How are they ever going to find them if they don't know they exist ?
    Shambles. They just thought everyone would register and pay and when the majority didn't they are totally lost.
    That is the point! Only fools register hahahahahihihihihihahahahihihihi. PS would never find out how many home owners are they. Don't you get it?


  • #813
    Vizzy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭Vizzy


    Royal Legend wrote: »
    I know of someone who is paying it €25 per quarter, he is in the PS, maybe they get special dispensation to pay different to the joe soap tax payer,

    If he is paying €25 per quarter he must have registered before the end of Feb.
    Other than that he can be in the PS,the Freemasons or the KluKluxKlan he will still have to pay it in one lumpsum.


  • #814
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Where has Alastair gone too??

    He has suddenly gone awfully quiet.:D

    Him and DV always go missing together.:eek:


  • #815
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    hondasam wrote: »
    Because alastair had to pay.

    But he didn't....


  • #816
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Is it just me,or dont you think its been a fair while now Alastairs last post here??

    Now I wonder why??:rolleyes:

    Hopefully he got banned again.


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  • #817
    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,679 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    emo72 wrote: »
    they tried to introduce a water tax over 10 years ago. it was scrapped. i told you this earlier. massive non payment.

    why are you so adamant that it cant happen again? absolutely no doubt in your mind? i could never be so convinced about anything. i admire the strength of your convictions. i have never encountered a person who was as sure as you.

    i salute you.

    Wont be scrapped as a lot did pay. This was done terribly by the goverment but there is a property tax coming no one will be paying the same but you will be paying more than the €100 (even if they have a wiver and they should for stamp duty.)

    On Water charges that will be coming and it is not free. My parents are allready paying it and metered in a water scheme. So I will be all for it


  • #818
    Roverek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19 ✭Roverek


    martingriff wrote: »
    Wont be scrapped as a lot did pay.
    They used to say STATE WILL NEVER PAY PRIVATE DEBTS :-). Never say never.


  • #819
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Well Im off to have my evening meal.

    I will bid you all a good evening now.

    At least I didnt just scamper off and hide like DV Power and Alaister have both done since the "I didnt pay the poll tax because its unfair " bit came back to bite Alastair in the ar5e.

    What goes round comes around,eh?



    Evening all.:D


  • #820
    Royal Legend
    Registered Users Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    Just thinking again, the government has been saying how "we have to pay our way" "we have to be seen to pay our bills" "we won't be seen to renage on what we owe europe"
    All this has been bull sh ite imo, as in they were using it as an excuse to pay the bondholders, now, looking at Mr Hogans response to his portugese bill, he won't pay, "because its unfair"

    Well Mr Hogan, and Mr Kenny and Mr Shatter, I have a life and as a patriotic Irishman I wont pay the service charge, because, I think its unfair, I thinks its also unfair that we are being burdened for bailing out Anglo Irish bank and a CEO who earns 800k plus per annum and I think its unfair that we are also paying bondholders who gambled money they never had in the first place.


  • #821
    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,679 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Roverek wrote: »
    You know deep in your heart that PS are overpaid ignorants, and NO private business will employ them, becouse they are not able to do antything properly. IT IS THE FACT!!! That is why this country is f.cked! But you do not care as long as you get your unfair wages. Well you take money from poor irish children in order to buy nice shoes FACT!!!!


    1st of all what the f$%k do you know of my circumstances. I do work for the public sector but i am no mean rich. I earn €402 if you want to know and get no allowances. (How about you check by googling the wages and not believing the INDO and others)

    I will agree with you there are people working in the public service that are a waste of space and should be told to go away and sack them but thhey are a minority and there is a lot of people now non union who wish this would change. Trust me when I say this it is going to. The CPA will be scrapped by the end of this year there will be angry words by the union and treats of strike (some will I am sure) but there is a lot of workers now knowing that change will happen. Hopefully it will start with everyone in the public sector and not a few.


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  • #822
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,419 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    But he didn't....

    I know he didn't pay but he was expected to pay.


  • #823
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    freeloading mentality

    Like the one in Dail Eireann?


  • #824
    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,679 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Roverek wrote: »
    That is the point! Only fools register hahahahahihihihihihahahahihihihi. PS would never find out how many home owners are they. Don't you get it?

    Ever here of the land registry


  • #825
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    paddy147 wrote: »
    That cant be right,or can it?

    That the charge for next year.....1,050 euro???????:eek::eek::eek:

    I would say so........unless, again, you're discriminated against by owning your own and not costing the government a cent to furnish you with it.


  • #826
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Hogan is a hypocrite. Out and out hypocrite if this is true. He wants us to pay for very poor services while he refuses to pay for very poor services himself.
    Not quite. The link between this Hogan story and the household charge is simply spurious. While the government have played the card that this charge is to fund local services, the arrangements for paying taxes or charges is not the same as paying for privately agreed charges.

    If my takeaway does not deliver what I order, or my window cleaner does not clean my windows properly or any other private arrangement does not deliver the goods or services to my satisfaction then I will take the provider to task. Most of the time these things get sorted amiably but either they or I can resort to the courts if we do not get satisfaction in any other way. There is no difference between big Phil and me, or any of you (assuming as I do that you are not chumps :) )

    Your public obligation under a charge or tax is not the same. You do not in general have the right to withhold or modify the charge in light of poor service (perhaps you should have, but I recall no precedence where you do).

    I cannot adjust the amount I pay for TV licence to take account for the amount of Irish TV I watch. I cannot adjust my motor tax payment to take account of the quality or extent of the roads I use. I cannot adjust my general tax contributions to take account of the quality of the services I should be getting from the state. Etc. etc.

    If Phil had reneged on the equivalent of the house charge in Portugal you would have something. If he had lost a court challenge on the issue and not paid up you would have something. But on what we know about the story so far you have nothing.

    Which of course is not to say you won’t get a bit of mileage out of it and cause Phil a little embarrassment. But I think you the no side will need more ammunition that this if they are going to win the day. ;)


  • #827
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    paddy147 wrote: »
    I think big Phill will have to go and resign now,if the Indo story is completely true.

    Won't happen Paddy. Think of the Government makeup. A so-called "socialist" party putting tax-paying workers under a conservative right-wing cosh.


  • #828
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    alastair wrote: »
    That's neither a household charge, nor a tax. It's a service charge with a private firm. Otherwise...

    Ah, Alastair. Phil's cheerleader. Doesn't matter. It's a bill. Which he refuses to pay. Because he thinks it's wrong. Sound familiar? I see you've omitted to answer these questions again:

    1. Do you think it is fair that the taxpayer is asked to continues to pay for the €400m a week currently being borrowed so that Public sector workers and Civil Servants can continue to enjoy their high wages and "entitlements"?

    2. Do you think it is right that 160,000 households are exempt from a "household charge" when they can well afford to pay it?

    3. Do you think it is right that a banker can receive remuneration of €823k per annum, when that bank is owned by a state which is practically bankrupt?

    4. How long do you think this country will be allowed to borrow €400m A WEEK?


  • #829
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    lugha wrote: »
    Not quite. The link between this Hogan story and the household charge is simply spurious. While the government have played the card that this charge is to fund local services, the arrangements for paying taxes or charges is not the same as paying for privately agreed charges.

    Key word for you: principle. Something which, apparently, Phil doesn't hold dear.:rolleyes:


  • #830
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    You generally come across as having a functioning brain, so I'm sure it hasn't escaped your notice that it's not actually a tax that Hogan is not paying, its a dispute between an apartment owner and a managment company. Yet you've chosen to make some false comparison with taxes.

    Is this the standard of debating we can expect from your new party?

    And you are not, obviously, a principled person. This guy is lecturing all and sundry, along with his FG hicks, about responsibilities and then absconds his own? Get a grip man.


  • #831
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Originally Posted by paddy147
    I think big Phill will have to go and resign now,if the Indo story is completely true.


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Won't happen Paddy. Think of the Government makeup. A so-called "socialist" party putting tax-paying workers under a conservative right-wing cosh.

    This story may have more legs.....
    From the Oireachtas website under the section of Register of Members Interests

    HOGAN, Phil (Carlow-Kilkenny)

    1. Occupational Income …….. Nil

    2. Shares …………………….. Nil

    3. Directorships……………… Auctioneering: Hogan Company Ltd., Main St., Urlingford, Co. Kilkenny: sale of property.

    4. Land ……………………… Nil

    5. Gifts ……………………… Honorary Membership of Mount Juliet Golf and Country Club: Mount Juliet Ltd., Thomastown, Co. Kilkenny.

    6. Property and Service …….. Nil

    7. Travel Facilities ………….. Nil

    8. Remunerated Position ……. Nil

    9. Contracts …………………. Nil


    Where is the holiday home?
    The holiday home that Phil could have sold when he said he was "unable to take a paycut due to his personal circumstances.
    And the sycophants for the household charge here would have you believe you should sell the sole family home and rent if you cant pay the taxes.

    They can fuck off and die as far as I am concerned.
    Snakes.


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  • #832
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    What really galls me , what really really gets to me is big Phil the chancer linking paying the tax to patriotism!
    It was insulting to those who paid out of fear , or paid because they felt they had to obey an unjust law, and it was particularly insulting to those who refused to pay on principle , he is one right can of p**s cnut!:mad::mad:


  • #833
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Key word for you: principle. Something which, apparently, Phil doesn't hold dear.:rolleyes:
    Don't think so Freddie. Would you pay a private contractor whose work you were not satisfied with, as a matter of principle? I certainly wouldn't.


  • #834
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    alastair wrote: »
    A contract is subject to mutual agreement - the service company might well be in breach of the terms of the contract - we just don't know. The household charge however doesn't require the agreement of the taxed individual - breach of contract isn't a defence for non-payment.

    Splitting hairs. He - and the rest of you - are caught in the headlights and don't like it.


  • #835
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    mikom wrote: »
    [/I]




    This story may have more legs.....



    Where is the holiday home?
    The holiday home that Phil could have sold when he said he was "unable to take a paycut due to his personal circumstances.
    And the sycophants for the household charge here would have you believe you should sell the sole family home and if you cant pay the taxes.
    Well done Mikom!
    Big Phil, some Ffing patriot!


  • #836
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    lugha wrote: »
    Don't think so Freddie. Would you pay a private contractor whose work you were not satisfied with, as a matter of principle? I certainly wouldn't.

    Look, PH has been on and on about responsibility, blah, blah. You can spin this any way you like. It doesn't change it - you MUST lead by example. In EVERY way.


  • #837
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    dvpower wrote: »
    Why did you represent this private service charge as a tax, biggins?
    Dishonest spinning on your part?

    Pointing out the sheer hypocrisy of it I would say.


  • #838
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    dvpower wrote: »
    Biggins, you do post an awful lot of rubbish without thinking it through.

    This is a private dispute that we don't know the details of. If it were anyone else in dispute with their management company and they simply paid up, they would be called sheep around here.

    Ah, DV, you have some neck. After some of the stuff you posted here. Biggins is one of the most consistently fair, analytical, and articulate posters on boards.ie.


  • #839
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Look, PH has been on and on about responsibility, blah, blah. You can spin this any way you like. It doesn't change it - you MUST lead by example. In EVERY way.
    So pay for something even if you honestly don't think you are obliged to? Well, I simply disagree.
    BTW, would you include in that principled stance the idea of Ireland paying for the failed banks (though most of us think we shouldn't) because our European "friends" think we should?:pac:


  • #840
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    dvpower wrote: »
    The tax is legally payable.
    The service charge is in dispute.

    But morally they're both the same thing. Anyone who even tries to defend it is, well, as silly as the person caught out in the lie in the first instance.


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  • #841
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Pointing out the sheer hypocrisy of it I would say.

    It's easy to fing hypocrisy if you just make **** up.


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