pm. wrote: »

Sorry Mods I know there is a large thread on this but I just have a couple of questions on issues I am hearing from some people locally

Are they looking to ban semi auto shotguns ?

Are they looking to ban bolt action hunting rifles ( all calibers ) ?

Thanks lads.

Jesus dude just read the thread...

Short answer re: shotguns, yes.

Short answer re: bolt actions, no... But it allows for a AGS to refuse firearms app based on their interpretations of crime levels within their district. In other words, if AGS wants, they can refuse all licences because there is too much crime in their district. Effectively banning everything.

Sparks wrote: »

In short:
- Effectively yes; the ban is meant to be for all semiauto shotguns with a magazine capacity over three rounds, but they want the magazine to come from the factory that way, not be a normal magazine with a crimp or plug in the tube, so they'll catch pretty much all of the eight or nine thousand out there.

If the legislation does go through - could a plug be permanently welded in to the magazine chamber by a certified gunsmith - then he / she sign it off as a 3 shot capacity?..............surely this would have to be acceptable!

pm. wrote: »

So what will happen to all the semi shot guns if this is passed ?? I recently paid almost €2k

Yes, it would be banned should these proposals be passed.

Explain how unhappy that you would be at the loss of your firearm to your local TDs and explain how unlikely that you or your family would be to vote for them should this happen.

They can do the same thing they did in 1972 and nobody will get any money from the state in compensation!

S.I. No. 187/1972:

FIREARMS (TEMPORARY CUSTODY) ORDER, 1972.


FIREARMS (TEMPORARY CUSTODY) ORDER, 1972.


I, DESMOND O'MALLEY, Minister for Justice, being satisfied that it is necessary to do so in the interests of the public safety, hereby, in exercise of the powers conferred on me by section 4 (1) of the Firearms Act, 1964 (No. 1 of 1964), order as follows:


1. This Order may be cited as the Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order, 1972.


2. This Order shall remain in force for a period of one month.


3. Every person residing in the State and having possession of a firearm or ammunition of any of the classes specified in the Schedule to this Order shall surrender it to the Garda Síochána on or before the 5th day of August, 1972.








Schedule.


1. Pistols and revolvers and ammunition therefor.


2. Rifled firearms of a calibre exceeding .22 inches and ammunition therefor.


GIVEN under my Official Seal this 2nd day of August, 1972.


DESMOND O'MALLEY,


Minister for Justice.


EXPLANATORY NOTE.


This Order requires every person residing in the State to surrender to the Garda Síochána on or before 5th August, 1972, any revolver or pistol or any rifled firearm of a calibre in excess of .22 inches in his possession, together with any ammunition therefor. The Order will remain in force for one month.

pm. wrote: »

So what will happen to all the semi shot guns if this is passed ?? I recently paid almost €2k

does your magazine have a capacity of more than three

bravestar wrote: »

SIn other words, if AGS wants, they can refuse all licences because there is too much crime in their district. Effectively banning everything.

Not to mind also feking up your insurance premimums on house,car and personal,dropping your property proices even further and proably also making it harder for yourself and children to get employment in the future.

Not so much the AGS but the legalised robbers called insurance companies that will do it irrespective.Hard for an area then to shake a reputation then when it is underserved or has sorted a problem out too.
And we do all know AGS statistics are 100% reliable too no question there.

Guess one of the main dealers are worried about this..Last year they apprently imported or intend to import 500 units of semis...Remember too that this whole thing has been flying around since Nov 2013.
You hear all sorts of stories at the moment.One lad whom I met assured me on Sat at one of the shoots ,its a done deal already and that they just want semi rifles ,yada ,yada,blah,blah and its from "a source thts never let him down."

Its scuttlebutt and rumours and this is why people need to confirm it from at least three independant sources before they pass it on as a fact.

We probably will tomorrow hexosan, but the way our community seems to regard long threads full of information, it seemed like a good idea at the time.

So maybe the Euro shotgun makers can help Ireland out, if this passes. They could allow you to trade your guns through a dealer back to them. In return, they provide guns with factory permanent 3 rd tubes. If it comes from the manufacturer and is permanent, then I concur with BrownTrout that should meet the definition as posted.

In future they just offer shotguns with factory permanent modifications for Irish shooters. Maybe this is not economically or legally feasible, but worth a thought.

Sparks wrote: »

For a market of just over eight thousand shotguns and far far fewer annual sales?

Economically its probably not worth their while. But you never know, sometimes big companies do stuff like this. It does wonders for PR. Lego is a great example of this.

In reality this is only a sheet metal tube that can be replaced on Id say 99.9% of guns.Some might be sweated into the recivers making it a rebluing and gunsmith job alright.Which then begs the question how is a job like that making a magazine change easily accomplished??Also if we were going to go to those lengths whats to stop the guns being sent back or to the Uk or EU proof houses to get them modified by the makers to 3 shots only??

This is one point the comittee and all shotgun users of this type should be demanding off AGS is PROOF POSITIVE of this occuring on a regular basis by liscensed holders of them illegally modifying their guns and to what illegal purposes.

No more of this could ,would ,might ,maybe, BS.It seems AGS can present supposion as hard evidence and get it accepted as fact in firearms matter ,but wouldnt dare produce this kind of evidence in any other type of judical matter for it being laughed out of court,ban red sports cars as the drivers might break the speed limit because those we stop the most have red cars.

Also remember the recent high court victories about the .22 pistols have some bearing here too in relation to mag capacity as well .They have been burned on this now so whats sauce for the .22 is most deffo sauce for the 12 ga.In fact since their statistic release on stolen firearms We would have to question as does the comittee the entire AGS arguement at this stage as holding any kind of water.