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Cork GAA Discussion Thread
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THE Cork hurlers have been dealt a massive blow in advance of their Munster final showdown with Limerick with the news that star defender Brian Murphy will miss the game with a broken collarbone. The Bride Rovers clubman, Cork’s best man-marker, sustained the injury in the final minutes of his team’s fine victory over Ballinhassig at Páirc Uí Chaoimh yesterday.
It was confirmed today by Cork selector Kieran Kingston that he will be out of action for a protracted period, as Cork intensify their preparations for the final at the Gaelic Grounds next Sunday week. “It is a savage blow for us losing one of our most experienced defenders and a player that made a massive contribution in our victory over Clare. “Firstly, it’s a shocking blow for Brian himself and it comes on top of a very bad run of injuries that we have already had this season.
“We lost Paudie O’Sullivan earlier in the season, then Lorcán McLoughlin got injured and Patrick Cronin got sick before the Clare game. “Losing Brian now is a huge blow for us, he was magnificent against Clare, curtailing the threat of Tony Kelly and once again proving that he is the best man-marker in the game.’’
Kingston believes, however, that the rest of the players in the squad will overcome this setback and will go out to try and secure the victory for the injured players. “It’s up to others now to step up to the plate now and they will I have no doubt do that as they did against Clare. “The game next Sunday week is probably coming a bit too soon for Lorcán McLoughlin and realistically I’d say he has only about a 40% chance of figuring. “He’s back training but hasn’t done any hurling yet. Patrick Cronin is fine again while Colm Spillane is back in full time training with us too after being injured in a challenge game against Galway.’’
Kingston revealed to the Evening Echo that the management team have added young Douglas player Alan Cadogan, brother of Eoin, to the squad after he showed some great form for Douglas and the Cork U21s in a trial game. “Yes, we have added Alan to the squad and he joins other recent newcomers Eoin Keane and Patrick draigh O’Mahony in our plans for the remainder of the championship.”0 -
It looks like spillane will be okay.He needs to be wrapped up in cotton wool for the next 3 weeks.Thank god the U21 game is after and not before this game.0
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Bad news for Cork regarding Brian Murphy's injury and with the news Lorcan looks unlikely to be fit for the final too the Cork management team have a lot of planning to do as regards our defence for Sunday week.
A lot of people on about why were club games allowed happen with the Munster final only a fortnight away but this was an unfortunate injury suffered by Brian that could just as easily happened at a training session. A big blow to Cork but as Kingston says in the Echo this evening other players must stand up now and try and do it for the injured lads.0 -
Bad news for Cork regarding Brian Murphy's injury and with the news Lorcan looks unlikely to be fit for the final too the Cork management team have a lot of planning to do as regards our defence for Sunday week.
A lot of people on about why were club games allowed happen with the Munster final only a fortnight away but this was an unfortunate injury suffered by Brian that could just as easily happened at a training session. A big blow to Cork but as Kingston says in the Echo this evening other players must stand up now and try and do it for the injured lads.
I see your point and I dont disagree that the injury could not have happened in training either,it could quite easily have as shown by Aidan O Mahonys injury for Kerry in their training the weekend.
But i do think every thing possible to reduce exposure to those risks should be done for big games.Not just that but a free lead up to the Munster final could only be good for the players in terms of preparation etc.The Cork football team for example have always used free weekends to work and have more time with their squad in the likes of Fota for example.
Limerick are using the last 3 weeks to fully gear for the 14th.Most other counties tend to do the same.
Club games not all the time but certain times should be moved.I read the weekend where former Cork Hurler Leigh Desmond ,who was highly rated at underage had played for Cork in a trial game in the lead up to Cork V KK in the 2010 all ireland semi final.
He was down to play for youghal against Inniscarra in a club quater final the same weekend but was told by Denis Walsh he would be too much hassle to get the club game moved.
The player himself maintains it would have been no bother to move it if they wanted to.That was hes chance gone.
The club will always be the heart beat of the GAA but surley Club players that are repersenting the County at senior level deserve every effort done for them in making sure they have the best opportunity to represent Cork in the best way when the chance arises.Its a tricky one to balance as their is for against on both sides but Cork need this Munster title so so bad no stone should be left unturned.
Colm Spillane offers a bit of hope.He is one for the future so even if he was thrown in at the deep end and failed at least hes getting expierence.
Good to see Alan Cadogan called up to the panel.JBM is protecting the future stars.He is doing the right thing.
Ger Fitzgerald could do a lot worse than take a leaf out of he's book and call up Pa Callaghan and Michael Cahalane from this years minor team and at least give them a taste of the U21 grade seen as they will be on it for the next few years.It is not like they are there just to fill a dressing room as they are both highly talented hurlers and could be good options to have.
Such was the farce of a minor set up they deserve to be involved at inter county level for at least another few weeks.Unforunatley with the Current U21 manager it may well turn out to be out of the frying pan and in to the fire.I hope im proven wrong,as this squad has a lot of talent.
I read that Seamus Harnedy was on fire for St itas the weekend,getting a goal and a few points.All the same what confidence can do for a player.Hes goal was meant to have been brillant in that he got the ball 40 yards out from goal and ran straight for goal and scored.It was not any way lucky.He made it all himself.After hearing he's interview last week it doesnt suprise me he delivered when hes club needed him.Quite easily he could have had a swelled head and had a big ego after last weeks man of the match display.But not this lad,just back to basics.He is still learning but is one for the future.0 -
A huge week starting for Cork Football sunday in Killarney.The following thursday night the Juniors play Waterford in Fraher field.
Waterford done Cork a favour by suprising Tipp.
Cork should win this final.The team played CIT tonight in a challenge match.
Mark Sugrue is on that panel, then the wednesday night in the U21 hurling and then two days later he may feature in the Intermediate Hurling final.3 games in 8 days.He was already involved in the U21 football campaign this year.For such a young man he has really given a lot to Cork teams .0 -
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Cork’s hurlers have suffered a major setback with confirmation that key defender Brian Murphy will miss the rest of the season through injury. The experienced Bride Rovers man was sustained a broken collar bone in a Cork Senior Hurling Championship game against Ballinhassig on Sunday afternoon in Páirc Uí Chaoimh.
The Irish Examiner reveals that the 30-year-old will undergo surgery tomorrow (Wednesday) and will be out of action for three months as a result, effectively ending any hope he has of playing for the Rebels again in 2013. It’s a particularly bitter blow for the player and for Cork who are preparing for the Munster final against Limerick on Sunday week.
An All-Ireland winner in 2004 and 2005, Murphy played a key role in Cork’s Munster semi-final defeat of Clare, lining out at centre-back and performing an excellent man-marking job on Clare danger man Tony Kelly. On a more positive note, Cork selector Kieran Kingston confirmed that Cork captain Pa Cronin will be available for the Munster final at the Gaelic Grounds on July 14. Bishopstown man Cronin played just eight minutes of the eight-point win over Clare having spent time in hospital with a bout of pneumonia in the build-up to the game.0 -
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Very bad news regarding murph. I do think players need to be hurling with their clubs uptown about 2 weeks before a major match. 3 weeks like limerick are doing is a bit much and can be counter productive.0 -
Murphy loss is huge ,make no mistake but their may well be benfits down the line.The Full back Line always needed a more natural remedy.Its not ideal timing now but they may as well put in an option that they believe long term will be Corks no 3.
It will be very interesting who JBM goes with.He needs to be thinking beyond the Limerick game in the sense if Cork loose and play a quater final then there is a real chance it could be KK or Tipp.
It would be totally insane to have two different full backs,one for limerick and one for a quater final two weeks if we loose.
That is why Mcdonnell can not start at 3.JBM had no confidence in him after last years league final and if anything hes form has got worse.I feel sorry for Mcdonnell as he is made look poor.
Never since 1999 have a Senior Cork team in football or hurling been so weak at full back .Sean og was the full back fot the footballers in 99 but was never suited to such a role.Hes athleticsim and skills were superb but he was not dominant in that position.He stuttered all the way to an all ireland final and while did improve and played the best game in the all ireland final he was still taken for a few points off Geraghty.
The fact is if you have any weak spots as a full back you may get away with it and ride your luck for a while but sooner or later you will get found out.
If Cork loose were in a quater final on the 28th july but if we win our semi final is not til the 18 th of august.
James Mcgrath is the Ref for the Munster final.He has done two Cork Championship games before ,laois and Galway in 2011.
He done the league final in 2012.
He was fine in those games but i do remember he absoutely gifting the U21 semifinal in 2007 against Galway in thurles.
As far as im aware he has never done Limerick in a championship game before.0 -
Thinkstoomuch wrote: »A huge week starting for Cork Football sunday in Killarney.The following thursday night the Juniors play Waterford in Fraher field.
Waterford done Cork a favour by suprising Tipp.
Cork should win this final.The team played CIT tonight in a challenge match.
Mark Sugrue is on that panel, then the wednesday night in the U21 hurling and then two days later he may feature in the Intermediate Hurling final.3 games in 8 days.He was already involved in the U21 football campaign this year.For such a young man he has really given a lot to Cork teams .
Everyone in Kerry that I work with are quite confident that they will beat us by about 5-6 points. Sadly I see it going that way unless something unexpected happens and Cork make history in Killarney for the 1st time since 1995. It's a big ask and I expect us to be in the qualifiers for next week. Hopefully Cork tear up this script and surprise everyone but I can't see it happening. Heart says Cork but head says probably Kerry.0 -
Everyone in Kerry that I work with are quite confident that they will beat us by about 5-6 points. Sadly I see it going that way unless something unexpected happens and Cork make history in Killarney for the 1st time since 1995. It's a big ask and I expect us to be in the qualifiers for next week. Hopefully Cork tear up this script and surprise everyone but I can't see it happening. Heart says Cork but head says probably Kerry.
For the first time in a while im confident we will win.The fact it has been the season of shocks and also this Kerry team is far from unbeatable.
And only for the fact it is in Killarney ,Cork winning would not be a big shock.
Colm O Neill is a huge loss as hes 2-10 from play last year but particulary while starved of possesion hes 1-3 against Donegal showed why he is among the best forwards in the game.It would be unnatural not to miss him.
But in Hurley we have as good a replacement as we could have hoped.If he gets one goal ,he will have given us a huge boost.In a way O Mahony being injured could help Kerry.As hurley woukd actually have the legs on him.
Kerry were not as good as what was being made out after the league win against tyrone.They actually lost the second half.Tyrone did not look at all up for the first half .
Cork will win if the right team is picked.
If pearse starts and Alan O Connor and Kissane and gould then we have not got a hope in hell of winning and if that happens Counihan should be sacked.
I dont believe this time all those will start.Maybee Kissane and Gould.
Couihan is too loyal to these players but i feel Mccarthy and Cuthbert will have a big say in the team.
We could probably still win with Gould and Kissane but personally i would not have either starting.Kissane is a dissaster waiting to happen .
Watching wexford last sunday what striked me to see was them kick passing so well fron defence.Cork have better footballers and if they do the same they can win.
Loughrey and Cahalane have added a new dimenshion to cork as has O Rourke up front.Sheehan has to start ahead of gould.Too many times in the past he has flattered to decieve.
O Rourke has done all that was asked.Kerry dont know what O Rourke brings but are well aware what Gould does and does not bring.The tried and trusted that have failed before wont beat kerry.It has to be something new.
JBM showed hes leap of faith in Harnedy coming in from a junior club.
O Rourke has more underage form so Counihan needs to be brave.
If the right team is picked and Cork dont panic if they go behind, they can win.
In 95 kerry got a goal in the first minute and lead for most of the game.But cork never panicked and won in the end.Niall Cahalane got a huge point that day from half back.
Id say hes son could very well do the same Sunday.
For Cork to win the right team needs to be picked.This will be won and lost on the sideline.
Cork would not want to be a point up in the last minute with Duffy referring.0 -
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James McGrath reffing the Munster final is a joke. Gave comfortably the most inept refereeing performance i have ever seen in the Waterford Offaly game and he got away with it because it wasnt on the telly. The GAA being muppets then reward him with a big game0
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i did not see that game but the U21 game in 07 was one of the worst refereeing displays i ever saw in hurling only equalled by wadding in the Tipp Cork U21 game in 2011.James McGrath reffing the Munster final is a joke. Gave comfortably the most inept refereeing performance i have ever seen in the Waterford Offaly game and he got away with it because it wasnt on the telly. The GAA being muppets then reward him with a big game
He was not too bad in the All ireland final replay last year but i agree he has hes moments.0 -
Don't understand how people rate Kerry ahead of Cork. They were out of last years championship a round earlier, had just as poor a league this year and while we have injury problems so have they, and the few young lads they tried in the league were not near the quality of the players the replaced.
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zetecescort wrote: »Don't understand how people rate Kerry ahead of Cork. They were out of last years championship a round earlier, had just as poor a league this year and while we have injury problems so have they, and the few young lads they tried in the league were not near the quality of the players the replaced.
It's there for Cork to win once Counihan doesn't get caught out tactically
That's us fúcked then !!
Cork really should be going down there with a view to winning the game....and being confident they can do so. I feel they have the better team but as has happened too often in the past, lose a game on the sideline. Be it the starting 15, subs brought on or tactical decisions made in the heat of championship battle...we seem to come out 2nd best more often than not.
Feeling confident we can win but I also feel a sense of inevitability - looking forward to if though!! Bar stool reserved in the campsite bar already !0 -
rebel girl 15 wrote: »Pulled away nicely in the end - Valerie Mulcahy hit 11 points in the end. Good response to the previous game, looked very tired against Kerry, the trip down was fairly long which could be a reason. One or two changes from the last day
Think its €10, not sure as I never have to pay going to the games!!! Would love to fly home for it, going to have a look at flights, pity I'm working on the Monday otherwise I'd have stayed and travelled up to Dublin for the championship launch!
Open draw as far as I can remember, cannot meet anyone within your province in the first round. TG4 are the championship sponsors atm, and are very good, LGFA lukcy to have them and the partnership is working very well!
Assuming there's uniform pricing across the board, entry will be €10 for this match.
Leinster ladies final is on the same day and its €10 in to see the intermediate (or maybe its the junior) and senior finals.
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Assuming there's uniform pricing across the board, entry will be €10 for this match.
Leinster ladies final is on the same day and its €10 in to see the intermediate (or maybe its the junior) and senior finals.
I guess Munster will be similar
Its 10 alright - confirmed it. Reason I wasn't sure was because of the U21 final being €8 in, and the fact I never have to pay for ladies games
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So, Donaghy is dropped. I remember a couple of years ago, Kerry's bench looked very limited, so Galvin was dropped to the bench. Came on in the second half, got the crowd going and picked up a lot of dirty ball.
I would expect Donaghy to come on 10-15 mins into the second half, get a similar reaction from the crowd and start winning ball at midfield or breaking the ball at 14.0 -
I know Kerry generally don't do it but I wouldn't be surprised if this was a dummy team. Kerry defence doesn't look great bar the two O'Sé's.0
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Doubtful - that's our strongest defence right now. Griffin played against Cork in the league at full back and was motm by all accounts, Enright and Marc in the corners are two tight markers so glad to see them starting. Crowley and Young on the wings give plenty of pace and attacking threat, while both being solid defenders (Crowley was full back for UCC when they won the Sigerson and got to a Munster final a few years back)zetecescort wrote: »I know Kerry generally don't do it but I wouldn't be surprised if this was a dummy team. Kerry defence doesn't look great bar the two O'Sé's.
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I heard today tonight that Michael Walsh was in line to be called up to the Cork squad in light of Murphys injury.
However he has now injured hes hamstring in a football game against mayfield and is a injury concern himself.He remains to be seen if its a bad injury.It would be cruel luck if it was as he was unlucky to be dropped in the first place.0 -
Doubtful - that's our strongest defence right now. Griffin played against Cork in the league at full back and was motm by all accounts, Enright and Marc in the corners are two tight markers so glad to see them starting. Crowley and Young on the wings give plenty of pace and attacking threat, while both being solid defenders (Crowley was full back for UCC when they won the Sigerson and got to a Munster final a few years back)
Don't think Fitzmaurice is a bullshítter either re: dummy teams
I agree Griffin looks a fine prospect but wont have the cutness of O Mahony yet.I would actually have preferred O Mahony to start as Hurley would have too much pace for him.He will find Griffin harder to turn but having said that Hurley is such a talent Griffin will do well to hold him.
What is impressive about Hurley is hes workrate and attuide.He always demands the ball.He was the last man with the ball in hes hand back in defence against Kerry last year and this year when Cork hung on for narrow wins.
Other Cork forwards lack that but he has it in spades.
Crowleys form has been good for UCC but i wouldnt judge him on that alone.Eoin O Mahony has impressed many a time for UCC at full back and people in UCC will maintain he is a top class full back.
In truth he is no where near a intercounty player for Cork as shown by Kildare in the league.
The Kerry team looks strong up front.I agree with the Cork poster who thinks Donaghy may actually start.Ill believe him not starting when i see it.Cadogan would a tough day but certainly capable of holding him.
The Kerry full forward line has pace but Cork are tight enough and with Cads,Shields will be okay.
The problem is if Kissane starts at corner back.Kissane has lost yards of pace every year since 2010.People seem to be confused about Kissane athleticsim and actual pace.A lad said to me the other day Kissane has sum engine and pace is not hes problem.
Their is a huge difference.He has a savage engine,he will cover ground all day long but in a sprint or on the turn he is very slow.I dont doubt Kissanes fitness.
He is the type of player you could say would run a marathon and have no bother at all.He is a stayer and just keeps going but moves the ball way too slow from defence by hand passing rather than kick passing.
But he is has no raw speed,hes acceleration is poor.Cork start him in the corner and we are in trouble.
Jamie sul is training and may lack match practice but is better than Kissane.Not very fast either but hes a better defender.
O Leary for Galvin,and loughrey and Cahalane at half back with Canty sweeping in from midfield.
There all saying Loughrey to man mark Cooper.I think that would be wrong.Corks best attacking half back in the Karl lacey and Miskella mould, man marking the Gooch would Rob peter to pay paul.It no point in Cork having Loughrey unless they use him properly.
Loughrey needs to be allowed attack as he is Corks strongest weapon in the backs.Cork put Miskella back corner back against Kerry in 09 and lost the all ireland,as while Miskella defended well Cork were robbed of their greatest threat going forward.
Shields should mark the Gooch if he moves in to full forward.
If he stays centre forward,Cahalane would be well able for him.
And Canty dropping deep will close of any space cooper has.
Let Kerry about Loughrey storming up and controlling from centre back.
Aidan walsh has to start.The echo said tonight O Neill and Walsh must start if Cork are to win.The same paper that maintained Naughton and Cussen had to start against Clare in the hurling.
They said O Neill direct play would be potent for cork.Are they having a laugh???
O neill runs straight and hard through the middle.It worked when he got a goal a few years ago but now Kerry just hold the line and O neill has no where to go.He also lost his main strength which was hes pace and is so so predictable now.
Gould i feel will start.A favourite of Counihans.A good game against Clare should not be good enough as he got a goal in the same game last year but was awful in the big games.
O Rourke has to stary with Kelly and Sheehan.Sheehan can score long range points in big games something Gould has failed to do.
Hurley,Goulding and Kerrigan can do damage if they get fast ball.
O rourke needs to start as with the blanket defence he always tracks back but is well able to make and take a score.
If the need arises Gould could do a job at half back.
With Collins,O Driscoll and Donnacha on the bench Cork have serious subs added to the fact Alan O Connor and O Neill could be impact players in the closing stages of the game to see out the game.
JBM made bold and brave calls that beat Clare.Kerry have a good team but are not the force of old and if CC and management pick the right team we will win.That is a big "IF" with Counihan involved but im hoping Mccarthy and Cuthberts influence will have a majior bearing on team selection and tactice.If they do we have a great chance,if they do not and Counihan pulls all the strings we are F****d.0 -
I think it's important that Noel O'Leary, Paudie Kissane and Graham Canty are kept on the bench. They're fantastic athletes and have served Cork well over the years but they lack creativity. When they get the ball they put the head down and run at defences. This give opposition players ample time to get back into position. Cork forwards need an early supply of ball. It would be wonderful to see Cahalane and Loughrey come in either side of the field in the half back line.0
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Archer3083 wrote: »I think it's important that Noel O'Leary, Paudie Kissane and Graham Canty are kept on the bench. They're fantastic athletes and have served Cork well over the years but they lack creativity. When they get the ball they put the head down and run at defences. This give opposition players ample time to get back into position. Cork forwards need an early supply of ball. It would be wonderful to see Cahalane and Loughrey come in either side of the field in the half back line.
Kissane actually had a great league and is still very fit but a warm day might wear him down. O' Leary simply doesn't have the legs anymore and gives away too many frees. Canty played well against Clare but the years are catching up on him too.0 -
Kissane actually had a great league and is still very fit but a warm day might wear him down. O' Leary simply doesn't have the legs anymore and gives away too many frees. Canty played well against Clare but the years are catching up on him too.
Canty will start make no mistake about it if hes fit.Hes the heart beat of this team
He is the Paul O Connell to this bunch.
I would not have thought myself midfield would have suited him but in the new system its suits him perfectly.
I was talking to a Cork footballer 5 weeks ago,a new guy to the panel and he told me they were playing Laois in Emo in a challenge match.A few of the Cork players had finished early as they had club games.
No other Cork player knew that was going to happen bar Canty.He is still the main influence in this dressing room.He will start,hes leadership.and defending will be vital if Cork are to win.Canty knows every detail about everthing in this set up.I must admit i had underestimated hes influence on the team.
Kissane was good in the league but he has always been good in the league.He was poor against Clare and was poor in the championship last year.He is sure to start as he is a favourite of counihan.
For some players its hard to get on the Cork team but for others it is harder to get off it.
O leary has lost pace but unlike Kissane can defend.And Galvin is not as fast as he was.O leary will cancel him out.
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Id agree with most of that.Canty lacks creativity but can do a sweeping role in the new system.Archer3083 wrote: »I think it's important that Noel O'Leary, Paudie Kissane and Graham Canty are kept on the bench. They're fantastic athletes and have served Cork well over the years but they lack creativity. When they get the ball they put the head down and run at defences. This give opposition players ample time to get back into position. Cork forwards need an early supply of ball. It would be wonderful to see Cahalane and Loughrey come in either side of the field in the half back line.
Canty,Kissane and O Leary are too ponderous and lateral as a unit.
Louhgrey and Cahalane would be immense.
O Leary would be ideal to mark galvin and let Cahalane and Loughrey push forward with Canty covering the holes when they attack.0 -
Thinkstoomuch wrote: »I agree Griffin looks a fine prospect but wont have the cutness of O Mahony yet.I would actually have preferred O Mahony to start as Hurley would have too much pace for him.He will find Griffin harder to turn but having said that Hurley is such a talent Griffin will do well to hold him.
Well Griffin has alot to prove so will be up for this big time, there's the opportunity to cement a place as FB for Kerry and in fairness to Fitzmaurice, something Kerry have suffered from in recent years is complacency. The Kerry team over the past number of years hasn't changed all that much, there'd be a yearly debate over the one change you'd expect such as Maher coming in and Sheehan moving to midfield - other than that the team has picked itself. At least now there seems to be genuine competition and a squad that is made up of players vying to start for the position - this will only bring the best out of O'Mahoney and Star for my money.Crowleys form has been good for UCC but i wouldnt judge him on that alone.Eoin O Mahony has impressed many a time for UCC at full back and people in UCC will maintain he is a top class full back.
In truth he is no where near a intercounty player for Cork as shown by Kildare in the league.
I wouldn't either, he was quiet in the attacking sense in the league but gave very solid, consistent performances. Regarding O'Mahony - having played against both players - I'd have Crowley far ahead of him. In contrast to O'Mahony being shown up against Kildare, as you said (didn't see the match myself), Crowley had a super game against them from what I saw - gave us a very good attacking platform on the wing and was probably his most attacking performance to date.The Kerry team looks strong up front.I agree with the Cork poster who thinks Donaghy may actually start.Ill believe him not starting when i see it.Cadogan would a tough day but certainly capable of holding him.
The Kerry full forward line has pace but Cork are tight enough and with Cads,Shields will be okay.
The problem is if Kissane starts at corner back.Kissane has lost yards of pace every year since 2010.People seem to be confused about Kissane athleticsim and actual pace.A lad said to me the other day Kissane has sum engine and pace is not hes problem.
Their is a huge difference.He has a savage engine,he will cover ground all day long but in a sprint or on the turn he is very slow.I dont doubt Kissanes fitness.
He is the type of player you could say would run a marathon and have no bother at all.He is a stayer and just keeps going but moves the ball way too slow from defence by hand passing rather than kick passing.
But he is has no raw speed,hes acceleration is poor.Cork start him in the corner and we are in trouble.
I want to see Cadogan marking James - that'll be an interesting clash, given Cads will obviously be stronger and more athletic but James is quick, very skillful and dangerous off both feet so he'll give Cadogan plenty to think about.
I'd disagree about Kissane regarding his pace. We played Clyda last year in Championship and he was playing midfield. I was coming back from an injury and came on for the last 20minutes, he was back providing cover and I got past my man and took him on - without trying to sound cocky - I have plenty of pace and would tend to go past players with ease at full tilt - I got past Kissane but I wasn't exactly pulling away from him.
I found it fairly suprising seeing as he had played 40 or so minutes at midfield during a fairly high tempo match and yet had enough in the tank to go flat out and keep up with me over 40 or so metres - he's a brilliant athlete and I've heard more about his engine since from talking to people but his pace certainly hasn't dwindled as much as some people would let on....
With all that said - Darran O'Sullivan is a different kettle of fish!There all saying Loughrey to man mark Cooper.I think that would be wrong.Corks best attacking half back in the Karl lacey and Miskella mould, man marking the Gooch would Rob peter to pay paul.It no point in Cork having Loughrey unless they use him properly.
Loughrey needs to be allowed attack as he is Corks strongest weapon in the backs.Cork put Miskella back corner back against Kerry in 09 and lost the all ireland,as while Miskella defended well Cork were robbed of their greatest threat going forward.
Shields should mark the Gooch if he moves in to full forward.
If he stays centre forward,Cahalane would be well able for him.
And Canty dropping deep will close of any space cooper has.
Let Kerry about Loughrey storming up and controlling from centre back.
Loughrey isn't the man to mark Cooper I agree on that but it's risky putting Cahalane there too if he stays in the centre (which he will, given how good his distribution is) If Cahalane stays there, then he'll move upfield a bit, if he doesn't then Cooper will drag him up there and the space will be there for him to put the ball into, should he get turned, which he will. Even if Canty sweeps up back there - Cooper will be able to pop the ball off to Galvin, Walsh, Crowley, Young from deep who'll look to break into the space and use their pace. Add to that, Declan could well end up out the field and we all know that there's no better ball carrier in Ireland on his day.
Even talking about this now I'm really looking forward to seeing the way this maps out tactically as there's a huge amount of ways either team could approach the game. And this is where I think Kerry could win the battle - Counihan has been notorious in his inability to change things during a game and has come across as a Plan A only manager. Like you said - you're hoping that his backroom team will help this year in curtailing any tactical mishaps from occurring but with all due respect - this hasn't happened in the past from what I've seen.
While Fitzmaurice is new to Senior inter county management, I think he's played enough and gained enough experience coming through the ranks to exploit this. The Kerry team can play direct football out of the back carrying the ball, they have the necessary players starting to allow them pick up breaks from long balls out of the back if they need and the pace inside means they plan on giving low, quick ball in. If that fails - Donnaghy is on the bench ready to come in and change the dynamic. I normally play down Kerry, especially at this time of year given their usual lacklustre starts to Championship over the past few years, however I do think the advantage goes to us before throw in based on the team we've gone with, the options we have on the bench and the fact that we're at home. I could be stating the obvious there but I'm excited for the match for once instead of worrying about which Kerry will show up.Gould i feel will start.A favourite of Counihans.A good game against Clare should not be good enough as he got a goal in the same game last year but was awful in the big games.
Your best forward in Tralee in the league and caused us problems - should be no.10 for you given his athleticism and ability to kick big scores from distance.0 -
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Well Griffin has alot to prove so will be up for this big time, there's the opportunity to cement a place as FB for Kerry and in fairness to Fitzmaurice, something Kerry have suffered from in recent years is complacency. The Kerry team over the past number of years hasn't changed all that much, there'd be a yearly debate over the one change you'd expect such as Maher coming in and Sheehan moving to midfield - other than that the team has picked itself. At least now there seems to be genuine competition and a squad that is made up of players vying to start for the position - this will only bring the best out of O'Mahoney and Star for my money.
I wouldn't either, he was quiet in the attacking sense in the league but gave very solid, consistent performances. Regarding O'Mahony - having played against both players - I'd have Crowley far ahead of him. In contrast to O'Mahony being shown up against Kildare, as you said (didn't see the match myself), Crowley had a super game against them from what I saw - gave us a very good attacking platform on the wing and was probably his most attacking performance to date.
I want to see Cadogan marking James - that'll be an interesting clash, given Cads will obviously be stronger and more athletic but James is quick, very skillful and dangerous off both feet so he'll give Cadogan plenty to think about.
I'd disagree about Kissane regarding his pace. We played Clyda last year in Championship and he was playing midfield. I was coming back from an injury and came on for the last 20minutes, he was back providing cover and I got past my man and took him on - without trying to sound cocky - I have plenty of pace and would tend to go past players with ease at full tilt - I got past Kissane but I wasn't exactly pulling away from him.
I found it fairly suprising seeing as he had played 40 or so minutes at midfield during a fairly high tempo match and yet had enough in the tank to go flat out and keep up with me over 40 or so metres - he's a brilliant athlete and I've heard more about his engine since from talking to people but his pace certainly hasn't dwindled as much as some people would let on....
With all that said - Darran O'Sullivan is a different kettle of fish!
Loughrey isn't the man to mark Cooper I agree on that but it's risky putting Cahalane there too if he stays in the centre (which he will, given how good his distribution is) If Cahalane stays there, then he'll move upfield a bit, if he doesn't then Cooper will drag him up there and the space will be there for him to put the ball into, should he get turned, which he will. Even if Canty sweeps up back there - Cooper will be able to pop the ball off to Galvin, Walsh, Crowley, Young from deep who'll look to break into the space and use their pace. Add to that, Declan could well end up out the field and we all know that there's no better ball carrier in Ireland on his day.
Even talking about this now I'm really looking forward to seeing the way this maps out tactically as there's a huge amount of ways either team could approach the game. And this is where I think Kerry could win the battle - Counihan has been notorious in his inability to change things during a game and has come across as a Plan A only manager. Like you said - you're hoping that his backroom team will help this year in curtailing any tactical mishaps from occurring but with all due respect - this hasn't happened in the past from what I've seen.
While Fitzmaurice is new to Senior inter county management, I think he's played enough and gained enough experience coming through the ranks to exploit this. The Kerry team can play direct football out of the back carrying the ball, they have the necessary players starting to allow them pick up breaks from long balls out of the back if they need and the pace inside means they plan on giving low, quick ball in. If that fails - Donnaghy is on the bench ready to come in and change the dynamic. I normally play down Kerry, especially at this time of year given their usual lacklustre starts to Championship over the past few years, however I do think the advantage goes to us before throw in based on the team we've gone with, the options we have on the bench and the fact that we're at home. I could be stating the obvious there but I'm excited for the match for once instead of worrying about which Kerry will show up.
Your best forward in Tralee in the league and caused us problems - should be no.10 for you given his athleticism and ability to kick big scores from distance.
I see your point regarding kissane but at the end of the day as much as he kept with you,you still got past him and you were just after coming back from injury.
Kissane would make a fantastic endurence athlete in the sense like a marathon or ultra runner.i have no doubt about he's engine.
But raw pace has never been hes best strength and this was shown up by Danny hughes in the all ireland final ,3 years ago.He has got slower since then.
Fair enough he was not roasted by you but its a bit like whether the horse bolted the gate or just walked through it ,the fact is he got out is all that matters in the end.
In the same context,Kissane can be passed and once Kerry do that even if he is still in toe with them once he is behind them their is not a whole lot he can do to stop them scoring.
Regards Cahalane their valid concerns with him and cooper but he is our only option in my view.Kerry want Cadogan or shields to move out from the full back line as that is Corks strongest link.
They need to stay put and Cooper can feed as much ball as he wants in their but once they hold their shape they won't concede that much at all.
Id expect the middle third to be heavily congested with Cork half forwards dropping deep so Cooper wont have as much space to operate in as people think.
Cahalane can be turned more so in the full back line but he would be okay in the half back line .
It is imperative Cork unlike 2 years ago get the match ups right unlike when O Sullivan roasted Canty that day.That is why Cadogan won't mark O Donoughe.
Shields should.
Cadogan did a splendid job on Michael Murphy and is suited to O sullivan or Donaghy.
I agree with all you said regards Gould.The problem is though as a forward in big games down the years when the chips are down ,he has failed to score really easy chances.
Tralee in a league game and Killarney in a munster final are worlds apart my friend.
Gould would make a terrific half back or midfielder when the onus on him is not to score as much.
If it comes down to a choice between him and o rourke,O rourke has to start.He has been excellent at under age and has really done well in all hes games at senior so far.We know what Gould can and cant do ,it time now to see what O Rourke can do.
Sheehan has to start in the wing.That is a must.He is a superb footballer and can kick long distance points and create scores too.
Gould being Corks best forward in Tralee was not hard to do, when Goulding,and Doc were carrrying injuries added to the fact Hurley,Sheehan,Kelly were missing.
When you see the likes of Andrew O Sullivan starting and Jamee Fitzpatrick,Liam Shorten and Denis crowley coming of the bench shows how Cork were really lacking in quailty up front.
The league game,and the result does not bother me too much as Cork were missing about ten players on the panel this sunday.
Corks blanket system worked well as Kerry only had 5 points from play in that game and John Mcloughlin who is no way near a inter county player gave away at least 3 frees.
He wont be starting sunday.And Cork will have more firepower up front this time so it will be stronger on sunday.
Id agree that the new management team have not been tested yet but their has been changes to Cork' s style of play particulary against Tyrone in the league.
Kerry have the added benfit of Cian O Neill who is a superb trainer.0
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