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The Billy Meier UFO case Switzerland
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tonybodhran wrote: »Except it was heard by millions of people all over the world in the 1970's and 1980's which started people talking about the case, people are still talking about it today, I've spoken to people all over the world that have read the information and the message that he was given has been written down word for word in a number of books. Here we are in little old Ireland talking about it now fourty years later. There are well over 20,000 pages of information recorded by Meier and he has written a number of books based on the teachings and knowledge he was given and not one word of it has bee changed from the original. Most of the information is freely available on the internet to anyone who wishes to read it.
I could say the same about the Bible, over two thousand years old, still being talked about today & none of it has been disproved. Just because a story catches on, & has lots of literature/discussion etc, doesn't make it any more real.Do we need someone to land on the white house lawn and point a giant finger at the books and scream READ THIS YOU IDIOTS?? Or do people have to find it and think about it and understand it themselves. Have any of you even read anything about the spiritual parts of Meiers material? The changing of a planetary mindset from one of barbarous religious idiocy to one of a more peaceful spiritual nature does not happen over night. and according to Meiers information it will take us about 800 years to get back on the right track.
There actually seem to be some sort of discussion going on here, goody!
Why so defensive? No, it wouldn't take full disclosure for me to believe in it...but I would need something real, something tangible. Questionable photos/stories etc are not going to convince me. I need more than just one mans word.
To be fair to you, I do find the whole thing interesting & I would like to be as versed in the story as you are...I just find the available evidence offputting. I know you hate people going on about the photos, but look at it from the laymans point of view...what's the point investing the time & effort to really test this case...when the immediate evidence looks so bad. Surely you can see where people are coming from?Ok lets say for the purposes of this discussion that there was some sort of interference in human evolution thousands of years ago and by that I mean the natural course of spiritual understanding as opposed to the multitude of crazy religions we have today.
Lets say your ancestors were responsible for it but you now are bound by your own laws in that you can only interact in minimal form in human affairs...
How would you go about trying to repair the damage??
I don't understand what you mean...try again
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I could say the same about the Bible, over two thousand years old, still being talked about today & none of it has been disproved. Just because a story catches on, & has lots of literature/discussion etc, doesn't make it any more real.
Why so defensive? No, it wouldn't take full disclosure for me to believe in it...but I would need something real, something tangible. Questionable photos/stories etc are not going to convince me. I need more than just one mans word.
To be fair to you, I do find the whole thing interesting & I would like to be as versed in the story as you are...I just find the available evidence offputting. I know you hate people going on about the photos, but look at it from the laymans point of view...what's the point investing the time & effort to really test this case...when the immediate evidence looks so bad. Surely you can see where people are coming from?
I don't understand what you mean...try again
The bible is a collection of stories from over 40 different authors mainly consisting of myth and allegory, the stories have been put together over hundreds of years from multiple sources and many of the stories themselves have their origins in older stories not connected with christianity. It's hardly something you could claim as being an accurate description of anything and is inherently illogical.
I'll go into the gospels in my next post.
I'm not being defensive , I was making a joke. I'm actually glad someone is discussing it instead of dismissing it with out thinking about it. This is the whole point of the information, to get people to think about concepts that are strange to them. But to answer your second question, the message is about the spiritual nature of man,it's not about convincing you that aliens exist, yes I agree that some of the evidence looks bad , on the other hand some of the evidence looks good, so it's meant to reach people who have the capability of discernment, not just about whether you have the ability to look up billy meier hoax and read what it says but look at the whole picture. It's incredibly complicated and not what it appears at a quick glance. For me it seems to have been done in a very deliberate way and this in itself shows great intelligence in the planning.
I posted up something in another forum a while ago which explains what I think of it, here it is:
"my thinking on this is that the evidence was given in a very specific way for a very specific reason. It was always stated that the Plejaran would never ‘land on the white house lawn’. This type of in your face evidence would forcibly change peoples world view and conceptions of life the universe and everything and is a course of action which is denied for that very reason.
Billy’s evidence is a perfect example of how to introduce concepts to people who are ready for it and bypass those who cannot or will not accept them. To have filmed Billy in the act of actually firing a laser gun and burning a hole in the tree is equivalent to the other forcible type of interference in a culture, this film if it had been taken would have been absolutely impossible to fake in the circumstances surrounding Billy at the time.
The same goes for your other suggestions such as Billy walking up to a 21 meter craft and touching it, there is no way this could be anything other than real and any evidence like this given to the public would have had many negative consequences. Billy’s real mission was to bring the true teachings of creation back to the earth. There isn’t a hope in hell as the saying goes of Billy being able to accomplish anything at all had something like this been released to the public. As we know from the contact notes even with the evidence Billy provided he was bombarded by people from all over the world calling to his house on a daily basis, can you imagine what would have happened if he had provided the evidence you suggested?
Billy would have had to go into hiding at the very least. He may have been taken by the military/government, every nut case in the world would show up at his door step. The message he was gently trying to spread into human consciousness over a period of hundreds of years would be forced onto a human population unable to process it and could cause the collapse of society as we know it. The result of this if it happened is unknown but you can imagine it wouldn’t be pretty.
For me the way the evidence actually was presented is itself proof enough of an incredible advanced intellect involved in the process. Every picture taken in a precise way so as to give an out for anyone who can’t accept what they are seeing, every piece of hard evidence also given in a way that taken at a cursory glance can appear as something else mundane etc.
Most of the evidence though if analysed and cogitated on provides ample proof of extraterrestrial involvement for those willing to put in the time and effort into it.
In my mind there was no other way to do this, to keep the idea of extraterrestrial life in the public eye for decades while not forcing the reality onto people, to introduce those ready for spiritual change to the information and to give Billy the time to complete his mission of writing down the most important teachings in mankind’s history. I think it was masterfully done and it’s still being done right now."
I'm not sure how I can rephrase my last question...
Ok....So theoretically You are an extraterrestrial race that had ancestors who lived here on earth many thousands of years ago, your ancestors were thousands of years ahead of the natives on earth at the time but were essentially assholes allowed themselves to be worshiped as gods thereby interfering with the natural evolution of their spiritual development which would most likely and logically have been based on the observation of the laws of nature, life death rebirth growth evolution change..etc
A few thousand years later after they buggered off the world is in a complete mess and no one has a clue about their real spiritual nature and spend most of their time on their knees begging to be saved because they think someone must be God up there in the sky because as far as they know one was here not so long ago and buggered off after he was nailed to a cross.
So You the current more enlightened Extraterrestrials decide to give the poor mistreated natives a hand out of their misery, but because of your "prime directive" that most evolved beings follow you can't directly interfere with them as that would be tantamount to doing it for them and so also interfere with the natural process of evolution
Keep in mind that the majority of the planet is deeply mired in various religious beliefs and tend to knock seven bells out of anyone who doesn't believe their particular system, this has taken thousands of years to arrive in this state and may take some time to get out of it.
Also keep in mind that the leaders of most of the worlds governments are also deeply mired in religion and the majority of them are self serving corrupt individuals who do not have the interest of humanity at heart.
Also keep in mind that you can't give them too much information because if it's something that they have yet to discover then it could be dangerous for them not to go through the process of figuring it out for themselves.
Also keep in mind that if you are discovered they may want your technology which seeing that you are thousands of years ahead of them they would most likely destroy themselves with it or even worse bring religion out of their own solar system and contaminate other races with their insanity.
Oh yes and also don't forget that they need to get a message that can not be misconstrued or altered by the person receiving it and it must survive indefinitely in this form for all time now that everyone can read.
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tonybodhran wrote: »Well written & thought out post
Nice post. Nicely worded, nicely explained, & make for nice debate. Cheers:)
Ok, to address some of it:The bible is a collection of stories from over 40 different authors mainly consisting of myth and allegory, the stories have been put together over hundreds of years from multiple sources and many of the stories themselves have their origins in older stories not connected with christianity. It's hardly something you could claim as being an accurate description of anything and is inherently illogical.
All true, & a belief I'd share. I don't want to offend anyone's faith here, faith is something that should be respected I think, but you'd think that given the majority of the worlds population believe in one supernatural deity or another, they'd have no problem believing in the simple notion of cultures from other planets.
They don't though, well most don't. And this is something the aliens would be aware of surely, surely they know we're a barbarous species, consumed by greed, conquest & personal gain...with a religious meets science approach to most things. We're a dangerous bunch, & any message, even a non interference type, needs to be loud & clear enough for us to hear before we're all wiped out?
I agree, that full on contact isn't considered an effective message...but neither is what Meier is saying. I'm largely sure his message goes unheard to all but the most devout of his believers? Surely, there's a better way for us to hear this message??But to answer your second question, the message is about the spiritual nature of man,it's not about convincing you that aliens exist, yes I agree that some of the evidence looks bad , on the other hand some of the evidence looks good, so it's meant to reach people who have the capability of discernment, not just about whether you have the ability to look up billy meier hoax and read what it says but look at the whole picture. It's incredibly complicated and not what it appears at a quick glance. For me it seems to have been done in a very deliberate way and this in itself shows great intelligence in the planning.
I hear what your saying. Given the message is about waking up spiritually, I think it'd carry much more weight if we were told by beings not of this world...rather than risk Meier being labelled as something like this
I mean, if such a message was delivered by extra terrestrials somehow, I know I'd sit up & listen! But when it's yet another man, with yet another message, aw, I dunno...I guess I just don't take any notice as he's likely a loon. Maybe that's the beauty of the message though, & I'm not ready to here it? Who knows!I posted up something in another forum a while ago which explains what I think of it, here it is:
"my thinking on this is that the evidence was given in a very specific way for a very specific reason. It was always stated that the Plejaran would never ‘land on the white house lawn’. This type of in your face evidence would forcibly change peoples world view and conceptions of life the universe and everything and is a course of action which is denied for that very reason.
Billy’s evidence is a perfect example of how to introduce concepts to people who are ready for it and bypass those who cannot or will not accept them. To have filmed Billy in the act of actually firing a laser gun and burning a hole in the tree is equivalent to the other forcible type of interference in a culture, this film if it had been taken would have been absolutely impossible to fake in the circumstances surrounding Billy at the time.
Yeah, I agree this would fit the agenda of such a message. No flaws in the logic here.The same goes for your other suggestions such as Billy walking up to a 21 meter craft and touching it, there is no way this could be anything other than real and any evidence like this given to the public would have had many negative consequences. Billy’s real mission was to bring the true teachings of creation back to the earth. There isn’t a hope in hell as the saying goes of Billy being able to accomplish anything at all had something like this been released to the public. As we know from the contact notes even with the evidence Billy provided he was bombarded by people from all over the world calling to his house on a daily basis, can you imagine what would have happened if he had provided the evidence you suggested?
Billy would have had to go into hiding at the very least. He may have been taken by the military/government, every nut case in the world would show up at his door step. The message he was gently trying to spread into human consciousness over a period of hundreds of years would be forced onto a human population unable to process it and could cause the collapse of society as we know it. The result of this if it happened is unknown but you can imagine it wouldn’t be pretty.
Hmm, I dunno about this. If it were real, Meier was chosen to deliever the most important message mankind has ever received. He was going to have to step up on the world stage, because otherwise, the message would be lost. You can't whisper out this kind of thing.Most of the evidence though if analysed and cogitated on provides ample proof of extraterrestrial involvement for those willing to put in the time and effort into it.
Ok, I'll ask for your help with this one. Where should I start, without wanting to read reams & reams of material...is there any source I can examine on a point by point basis that goes through the evidence?Ok....So theoretically You are an extraterrestrial race that had ancestors who lived here on earth many thousands of years ago, your ancestors were thousands of years ahead of the natives on earth at the time but were essentially assholes allowed themselves to be worshiped as gods thereby interfering with the natural evolution of their spiritual development which would most likely and logically have been based on the observation of the laws of nature, life death rebirth growth evolution change..etc
A few thousand years later after they buggered off the world is in a complete mess and no one has a clue about their real spiritual nature and spend most of their time on their knees begging to be saved because they think someone must be God up there in the sky because as far as they know one was here not so long ago and buggered off after he was nailed to a cross.
So You the current more enlightened Extraterrestrials decide to give the poor mistreated natives a hand out of their misery, but because of your "prime directive" that most evolved beings follow you can't directly interfere with them as that would be tantamount to doing it for them and so also interfere with the natural process of evolution
So how would you go about doing this??
Easy, this is exactly what happened in Stagate...nuke the mothership
I jest. Ok, your standard 'prime directive' with damage control scenario.
Short answer - there is no fixing of this situation. More interference will only set us back further. So any enlightened view on it, would to simply let the affected civilization evolve far enough to be ale to directly hear the truth. 'Saving' this affected civilization by interference, direct or indirect, would not work
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Nice post. Nicely worded, nicely explained, & make for nice debate. Cheers:)
Ok, to address some of it:
All true, & a belief I'd share. I don't want to offend anyone's faith here, faith is something that should be respected I think, but you'd think that given the majority of the worlds population believe in one supernatural deity or another, they'd have no problem believing in the simple notion of cultures from other planets.
They don't though, well most don't. And this is something the aliens would be aware of surely, surely they know we're a barbarous species, consumed by greed, conquest & personal gain...with a religious meets science approach to most things. We're a dangerous bunch, & any message, even a non interference type, needs to be loud & clear enough for us to hear before we're all wiped out?
I agree, that full on contact isn't considered an effective message...but neither is what Meier is saying. I'm largely sure his message goes unheard to all but the most devout of his believers? Surely, there's a better way for us to hear this message??
I hear what your saying. Given the message is about waking up spiritually, I think it'd carry much more weight if we were told by beings not of this world...rather than risk Meier being labelled as something like this
I mean, if such a message was delivered by extra terrestrials somehow, I know I'd sit up & listen! But when it's yet another man, with yet another message, aw, I dunno...I guess I just don't take any notice as he's likely a loon. Maybe that's the beauty of the message though, & I'm not ready to here it? Who knows!
Yeah, I agree this would fit the agenda of such a message. No flaws in the logic here.
Hmm, I dunno about this. If it were real, Meier was chosen to deliever the most important message mankind has ever received. He was going to have to step up on the world stage, because otherwise, the message would be lost. You can't whisper out this kind of thing.
Ok, I'll ask for your help with this one. Where should I start, without wanting to read reams & reams of material...is there any source I can examine on a point by point basis that goes through the evidence?
Easy, this is exactly what happened in Stagate...nuke the mothership
I jest. Ok, your standard 'prime directive' with damage control scenario.
Short answer - there is no fixing of this situation. More interference will only set us back further. So any enlightened view on it, would to simply let the affected civilization evolve far enough to be ale to directly hear the truth. 'Saving' this affected civilization by interference, direct or indirect, would not work
Okeydokey
1. If we think of the prime directive approach then the message can't be loud enough that it shakes the whole planet, it needs to create a stir and slowly seep through. Meier was major news in lots of countries from Europe to America to Japan in the 1980's. Then due to the way the evidence was presented and also some nasty interference from disgruntled maniacs like Kal Korff the whole thing was looked on by the public as a hoax, so the case faded into the background but not completely. Meier was able to set up a center in Switzerland and enough people stayed interested to help him do what he was supposed to do which was to write everything down as the contacts continued and help store and convert the writings into usable formats.
Meier writes in a form of German that is different from high German, the meanings of the words are from an older form of German no longer used so it takes the members of figu considerable time to decode the exact meanings of what he is saying and print it in a format readable in high German. Also there are many words in German that don't have English counterparts so translating it to English without error takes even longer. This is why only about 30% of what Meier has written has been translated into English so far. Any mis-translation would completely defeat the point of the exercise.
The only way Meier has been able to carry on writing down his contacts relatively unhindered is precisely because the heat was taken off him by interference and the way the evidence was presented in general. In the beginning Meier was inundated by people from all over the world , hundreds of people calling to his house and asking him the same questions day after day, stealing his photographs causing strife within his family etc. Meier had a nervous breakdown, his wife left him and turned on him, there were multiple assassination attempts ( Wendelle Stevens was witness to one) All this and more because of what he was telling people, it was not something he was enjoying. When the tide turned I imagine he breathed a sigh of relief and eventually got to carry on doing what he was supposed to do.
2. "I agree, that full on contact isn't considered an effective message...but neither is what Meier is saying." Do you know what he is saying? Or do you mean the way he is saying it?
3. The message is about human spirituality, if a highly advanced alien race much further up the spiritual evolutionary ladder with almost god like powers give the message personally it might not come across that way, they could be seen as angels/demons/spacedemons....satans space army..reptillians disguised as angels to trick us.. we are a really stupid race..the list is endless as to what we would make of it.
If a man writes it down, some people read it, start to lead better lives, influence people around them who influence others around them, other people catch on to the truth through other things like advances in science etc, it slowly builds over hundreds of years and eventually the world has turned a corner and the complete information is still there in it's original form for anyone to access.
And i disagree about not whispering this thing out, screaming at people is rarely useful unless there is a train coming. The analogy here because of the time scales involved is more like someone tapping you on the shoulder while you are on the train full of drunken fighting partying people and telling you that there is a quieter train at the next stop where people are talking about spiritual matters also this train will get you to your destination much faster, and you can either get off at the next stop or say **** no! I want to parrrtayyyy!!
Also Meier doesn't talk about the end of the world, just very hard time for us all for a very long time if we don't come to our senses.
4. The most convincing evidence is the Ober sadelegg and Hasenbol sequence of pictures. These photos were taken in 1976 well before the dawn of image manipulation by computers.
The Hasenbol sequence is especially good. The thing you have to remember if you are not going to read through the extensive investigation reports is that this was a sequence of 34 photographs taken in sequence, that means they appear to show an approach of an object from a great distance to then arrive at about 50 ft from the camera and hover behind a tall tree.
Wendelle Stevens examined the photo's by the tree using the most advanced technology at the time and found branches in front of the tree, this means that it is behind the tree. The tree is very large, this then means the object is large. Kal Korff in his ridiculous book on the Meier hoax claimed he found no
branches in front of the tree. What he doesn't say in his book is that he used a process not designed to analyse photographs and the photograph he used was a polaroid taken of a a print. There was no way to detect anything from that loss of resolution.
And yes Phil Langdon has recreated the effect of Meiers photographs but only the effect. He refuses to have his put to the same tests as Meiers because they are models and no where in his photo's are the objects behind trees.Langdon has also had years to work out a method of doing so and also has the luxury of trial an error which he does not show in his photographs. Meier took all his photo's (over 2000) while being constantly watched by people trying to catch him out and also with only one arm and without one setup shot or mistake ever found in his collection. Think of the logistics of this alone if he used models.
So I would start there. Forget about everything else and try and work out how you would do this set of pictures in one sitting with no set up shots and no mistakes on one roll of film. Even this proves nothing really except at the very best it proves that there is a large object in the photo but it's what started me thinking about it seriously.
Look at this (enlarge it and turn the brightness up on your screen) and tell me you if you see a branch in front of the left side of the object...
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/images/f/f3/F_0174_rgb.jpg
Here is one of the researchers standing underneath the tree to show scale..
http://www.tjresearch.info/Hasenbol%20tree%20in%20leaf.jpg
There is more on the series here..
http://www.tjresearch.info/hasenbol.htm
Tell me what you think?
And you are absolutely right no one is going to save us, we have to do it ourselves, the instructions are on the internet though if anyone wants to read them. 0 -
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tonybodhran wrote: »...Note though that if you copy that picture and paste it onto your desktop the resolution goes down and it's even less visible, this is a major problem with people talking about the photographs, what they are looking at most of the time is not good enough quality to be making judegments on but that link above is one of the better ones on the internet.
This is nonsense to be honest. It depends on what you do with the picture, where you 'paste' it. I saved the full resolution pic, it doesn't lose resolution then.
First pic, I've cropped the pic to show the 'beam ship' and the tree, and enlarged it by 300%.
No other modifications have been made to the image.
Second pic, same as above, but I've put red circles around where the tree branches should overlap the 'beam ship', and it's quite clear that they go behind it.
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I don't know why I was losing resolution when I did it but I was, so in the circle on the farthest to the left you can't see the smaller branch to the right of the main one breaking the line of the ship?
Can you see it in these enhanced photographs of other shots at the same location?
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hi tonybodhran.. i applaud your passion for this case and i am sincerely sorry if i offended you before.
you have presented counter evidence in the way of 'contact notes' etc but im sorry, they still don't make sense to me, it just seems like someone running circles around the truth the whole time, perhaps much like a compulsive liar might do (not you btw, i do mean meier). i presented some pretty hard evidence, especially in terms of his predictions, so i don't know exactly what i have ignored? it's not that i ignored it.. i read it.. and deemed it too absurd to even bother investigating (to which i also hope you don't take offense.. that's just me and where i'm coming from:) whenever i read through these notes there are discrepancies at every corner that i simply can't ignore. you have to admit there are some big holes in this story.. and for most of us, that's when the alarm bells start ringing. if billy meier was telling the truth, why would ANY of these anomalies exist at all?
ps. in the photo's you presented above.. the first is in black and white.. the second is embossed.. the ones damoeldiablo posted before that are the originals in colour and you can clearly see in those that the 'ufo' is in front of the tree.. the quality is too bad in the pictures you presented to come to that conclusion.. unless it was the one you wanted to allude to.
i just gleamed a few things from the posts i read through tonight.. i copied and pasted them into notepad as i went along, i won't say who said what without having to go back right now and find those entries but please bare with meBilly also went all the way to the universe barrier, to the edge of our Universe
you can't reach the edge of the universe (at least in theory) it's not like a brick wall that ends somewhere or defines the end of space, the universe is expanding and no matter how hard you tried.. you'd end up following the curvature of space even if you drove towards it at the speed of light, and if you kept that up.. you'd probably end up in the same place again if it wasn't for the fact the universe was expanding.Would there be a particular occasion when they would need to carry other devises than those around the belt?. Yes, I think so. And that device would a microphone. The type pilots and astronauts use. And I think an occasion when carrying a microphone would be of great benefit would be when piloting a mother ship. This would be a job which would include a lot of coordination, where voice communication would be needed.
i'd have to question this.. so these highly intelligent beings are still using microphones (to pilot a mothership) and devices around their belts? from most of what i've read on ufo cases and abductions they tend to communicate telepathically, and their technology isn't the same as ours in any sense of the word, it can be completely organically based and most observers tend to agree that they have managed to manipulate gravity and time in ways we can't fathom.Have any of you even read anything about the spiritual parts of Meiers material? The changing of a planetary mindset from one of barbarous religious idiocy to one of a more peaceful spiritual nature does not happen over night.
how is this any different to what jesus might have said.. or say buddha (who never wanted his teachings to be a doctrine) and in fact, he refused to answer any existential questions that were asked of him except those of how to end suffering, because he believed or perhaps knew, that we couldn't understand much more unless we'd done that first. we all know the world needs to change, but i really do believe that change is starting to happen right now.. but it's not because of billy meier or his messages, it's because technology and education has brought us all so much closer together that we're starting to realise things need to change (at least in my opinion).For me it seems to have been done in a very deliberate way and this in itself shows great intelligence in the planning.
For me it seems it was done in a very deliberate way as well, and this in itself shows great intelligence in how he has manipulated all of the information.. intelligently.The message is about human spirituality, if a highly advanced alien race much further up the spiritual evolutionary ladder with almost god like powers give the message personally it might not come across that way, they could be seen as angels/demons/spacedemons....satans space army..reptillians disguised as angels to trick us.. we are a really stupid race..the list is endless as to what we would make of it.
"they could be seen as angels/demons/spacedemons....satans space army..reptillians disguised as angels to trick us" there are people out there who believe that anyway (mostly christian too)
not all people on earth are stupid, why didn't they pick einstein to share these messages with us.. or someone we might actually listen to?Forget about everything else and try and work out how you would do this set of pictures in one sitting with no set up shots and no mistakes on one roll of film
just a thought, but could he not have just taken 50 polaroids until he had the shot he wanted, dated them however he wanted and thrown away the rest?
i really do believe in ufo's but i don't believe in any of this. i've had some extraordinary experiences with ufo's. i've tried my very best to investigate all the evidence that i could find because of that and i wouldn't believe it unless i'd seen it myself otherwise.. from leaked military documents, interviews with those involved with sightings (at least those which i found the most credible) i've followed all the biggest cases and the evidence behind them. i've tried to build up a picture of the american military programs from the ground up after the war.. the scientists they 'borrowed', what they were researching at the time etc. i've researched antigravitics all the way from tesla through the biefeld–brown effect to the quacks to earnshaws theory that proves (no static arrangement of classical electrostatic fields can be used to stably levitate an object) to heims theory which is so complicated nobody seems to be able to really understand it (but who knows). there certainly are some applicable technologies out there.. like magnetoplasmadynamic thrusters (theoretical speeds of 22,000mph..but try putting a human being into one of those performing the maneuvers ive seen ufo's doing (not to mention the size of some of the craft that have been witnessed) and that's one of the main reasons i don't believe any what i or what others have seen are due to experimental military endevours) funding for the mpd project was cut before they ever started.. perhaps they went underground, who knows? funnily enough, nasa's last project in that respect was actually called prometheus
as i said, i do believe in ufo's.. and at this stage after all my research, i tend to believe that they are extraterrestrial in origin.. just as the french cometa report acknowledged that might be the best hypothesis we have right now. i agree this is something you can't talk to very many people about, some can entertain the idea because they are open minded, some will probably think you're bat **** crazy for even thinking about it, but then there are those who have their own stories to share with you.. and i guess in the end, the rest you just have to leave behind. i will always err on the side of science, but i know science is slow to catch on to what is happening here (which is indeed psychological and just part of the human condition).. they'd rather ignore it all but will still spend their time in labs trying to create metamaterials, nanomaterials, invisible materials, quantum computers, anti gravity propulsion, cells that interact with electronic components and all manner of things.. long before they would ever entertain crazy notions that perhaps we were beaten to it already, and especially, that those beings might already be here.
i believe in some bizarre and remarkable things.. but billy meier.. i certainly don't. it doesn't matter if i read it left, right, up, down or sideways.. i just don't believe in it.. i actually think this mess causes so much damage to what should be a serious study into this phenomenon and some people well, just get lost in semantics and are happy to stay there, unfortunately! you seem like quite an intelligent guy tonibodhran.. i wont preach, but you can shout blue in the face and i still won't believe this story, i just hope for your sake you take a step back from it all and see where the rest of us are coming from.0 -
Thanks, no problem this is just an incredibly difficult case to discuss due to the sheer amount of things that can be argued over and most of the time what I want to discuss isn't even listened to.hi tonybodhran.. i applaud your passion for this case and i am sincerely sorry if i offended you before.
I think I explained that in an earlier post that the purpose of the whole thing was to provoke a lasting controversy and still give Billy time to write everything he has written down which is an enormous amount of material. One picture of him actually firing a lazer gun and it would have been good bye Billy off to the military base with you. But I understand the difficulty in accepting that.if billy meier was telling the truth, why would ANY of these anomalies exist at all?
The photo is in black and white because the entire investigation report was mostly in black and white due to the cost. Stevens and his team spent upwards of $100,000 of their own money during the investigation, there were many more things they could have done but they ran out of money.ps. in the photo's you presented above.. the first is in black and white.. the second is embossed.. the ones damoeldiablo posted before that are the originals in colour and you can clearly see in those that the 'ufo' is in front of the tree.. the quality is too bad in the pictures you presented to come to that conclusion.. unless it was the one you wanted to allude to.
The other photo is bump-mapped but it does appear to show branches crossing the ship.
There are theories about multiple universes, surely if this is possible there is some sort of barrier separating them. In Meiers explanations this universe exists within a belt called the material belt it is surrounded by other belts. I don't know if that's true, maybe it is maybe it isn't but we really know next to nothing about the true nature of the universe. We can't get past our moon, what the hell do we know.you can't reach the edge of the universe (at least in theory) it's not like a brick wall that ends somewhere or defines the end of space, the universe is expanding and no matter how hard you tried.. you'd end up following the curvature of space even if you drove towards it at the speed of light, and if you kept that up.. you'd probably end up in the same place again if it wasn't for the fact the universe was expanding.
If you are talking about the ding a lings, I agree it's the most damaging photo in the case, even I find the story behind it unbelievable but I can;t discount the other things I've found out by investigating it myself for the last number of years by going there myself and talking to people involved and also seeing photographs that were never released to the public (why you ask..refer to my second paragraph)i'd have to question this.. so these highly intelligent beings are still using microphones (to pilot a mothership) and devices around their belts? from most of what i've read on ufo cases and abductions they tend to communicate telepathically, and their technology isn't the same as ours in any sense of the word, it can be completely organically based and most observers tend to agree that they have managed to manipulate gravity and time in ways we can't fathom.
It might not be much different but we will never know exactly what Jesus or Budda actually said at the time because most of what is recorded about them is from hearsay from 30-100 years after their deaths.how is this any different to what jesus might have said.. or say buddha (who never wanted his teachings to be a doctrine) and in fact, he refused to answer any existential questions that were asked of him except those of how to end suffering, because he believed or perhaps knew, that we couldn't understand much more unless we'd done that first. we all know the world needs to change, but i really do believe that change is starting to happen right now.. but it's not because of billy meier or his messages, it's because technology and education has brought us all so much closer together that we're starting to realise things need to change (at least in my opinion).
Could be either one.For me it seems it was done in a very deliberate way as well, and this in itself shows great intelligence in how he has manipulated all of the information.. intelligently.
Give me an example of who they should have given the message to stating that everything they believe is false and the entire world must abandon all religions...who would have brought this message in it's entirety to the public without diluting it or changing it to suit their own purposes? Who could have written down the vast amount of data he has been given if he had been hounded by everyone on earth looking for aliens, how would he/she have gotten past this particular problem?not all people on earth are stupid, why didn't they pick einstein to share these messages with us.. or someone we might actually listen to?
Except he didn't he took them all on an Olympus 35 ECR still camera and most the pictures were taken in sequence on one roll of film per session with no set up shots.just a thought, but could he not have just taken 50 polaroids until he had the shot he wanted, dated them however he wanted and thrown away the rest?
look I really do understand where people are coming from but there is a difference between looking at a couple of websites which themselves are full of deliberate mistakes and sometimes just lazyness and spending years of research on everything available to try and put an entire picture together of what is going on. I'm working on debunking a famous debunked picture of Meiers. I'll be back with that when I can and tell me what you think.
Thanks for actually discussing this with me anyway. I need to step away from the internet now for a while, using the laptop has done my bloody back in! Take care0 -
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That's exactly what happened..they discussed things so he could understand and ask questions and he wrote them down over the course of over 40 years.Aplogies for a snip of your post. I wanted to concentrate on the more important points as I saw them. I appreciate that you are not as au fait with this aspect of the case Tony as perhaps you'd like but some pieces of your explanation do not sit right with me.
I'll begin by fully accepting that just because we now have speech dictation that itself is not the be all and end all of technological progression. Indeed, I could well consider that were telepathy to develop within our race in milenia to come, we could well employ a similar method to the plejorans. I recognise also that the mesages are not a set of points that can just be handed over but my problem is this; why not just hand over the points bit by bit? Yes I was wrong perhaps suggesting that they give Meier 100% of the notes in one go. Why not give him a small segment at each meeting, let him digest that and move on.This was to be a long term process after all.
It was the only way to ensure that everything would be written down word for word, and Billy didn't seem to mind, he did everything else with one handAnother point that irks me is that my humanity will not allow me to have a one-armed man type out pages after a meeting. It's unfair on the individual. It's well and good if the individual has their own message to write and it's part of their daily work or something like that, but deliberately making somebody transcribe all that material sounds cruel, even if it only takes an hour at a time, it's still unfair.
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He did not revise anything, he types them up and people help him check it for spelling errors, that was it. It's still the way he does it today.You also mention that Billy was contacted telepathically and given the information afterwards to transcribe as he got it. The plejorans used him in the way that I, for instance, would use Siri to dictate some notes for a meeting. He was purely a conduit and I think he would still have to stop at the end and revise the notes himself.
This is because you have absolutely no idea why Meier was chosen to do this and why he accepted to do it. There is little point in me trying to explain it because no one believes there is any merit even in the physical evidence never mind the things that can not be proven.Given all of this, I find it hard to comprehend that an enlightened, highly technologically advanced race would put the task upon a disabled man to write on paper all that they were telling him to write. Even being a 21st century human, my compassion would have me tell Billy that he should only concern himself with the meetings and to contemplate those once he reached home. I'd tell him that I would provide the transcripts and other notes slightly later and that I'd like him to review those and come back to me with questions. It would offend my sense of decency to know that somebody needed to painstakingly transcribe my words and concepts afterwards via a medium that was not efficient for them. Personally speaking I would not allow an animal I owned a burden like that and I would be even more accomodating were it a fellow human.
I strongly recommend reading Gary Kinders Light Years (1987) , you can actually read the book in it's entirety online as the author gave permission for it to be used on a website dedicated to translations of Meiers german material. It can also be found in a torrent online in a pdf form or you can get it from amazon second hand for literally just the price of postage now . It's a great introduction into the case proper and even if you don't think any of it is true it is a great example of how an investigation into something like this should be handled for anyone interested in the UFO field.
Here is the link to the book online, it's not huge and is a great read.
http://www.billymeiertranslations.com/#contactotherbooks0 -
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