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Darlings going crazy on bus

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  • #62
    Maggie 2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 211 ✭✭Maggie 2


    MadsL wrote: »
    I would have turned around and taken them back to the School, calling the Principal on the way. Why deliver this busload of muppets to a public event?

    Incidentally, how were they allowed on the bus without teacher/adult supervision?
    It had nothing to do with a school. It was a privately hired bus.


  • #63
    Sound of Silence
    Registered Users Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭Sound of Silence


    Maggie 2 wrote: »
    It had nothing to do with a school. It was a privately hired bus.

    If it's privately hired, then I would've assumed that the driver would immediately pull over and tell everyone to get off. Any sane Taxi driver would do the same thing.

    No point in allowing those muppets to cause a fortune in damage.


  • #64
    MadsL
    Registered Users Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Maggie 2 wrote: »
    It had nothing to do with a school. It was a privately hired bus.

    They lost "out of school" privileges when they started causing criminal damage. I'm speechless that after four stops by Gardai they were not escorted by Gardai back to the school in order for the school to contact parents.

    The bus driver surely cannot be expected to put up with this; and returning them to the school where they would normally be attending is the best solution for a mass transfer of "in loco parentis" responsibility. That or the local Garda Station.

    That said I'm astonished that the bus company accepted "in loco parentis" responsibility in the first place.


  • #65
    Maggie 2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 211 ✭✭Maggie 2


    MadsL wrote: »
    Sorry, let me get this straight. Instead of getting an education, teenagers are allowed out on a day's drinking unsupervised and parents and the school are fine with this?

    Wtf?

    The more I learn about transition year, the more I can't help thinking it is a colossal waste of time.

    Please don't let this antisocial criminality form your view of Transition year. It can be a very good character building year. If run properly, it needn't be a drain on the family finances. Most schools have ditched the foreign trip in favour of something like Delphi. Both my children benefitted greatly from it. Their school funded TY by letting the students run the tuck shop for the year, with the profits going towards the various activities.


  • #66
    MadsL
    Registered Users Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Maggie 2 wrote: »
    Please don't let this antisocial criminality form your view of Transition year. It can be a very good character building year. If run properly, it needn't be a drain on the family finances. Most schools have ditched the foreign trip in favour of something like Delphi. Both my children benefitted greatly from it. Their school funded TY by letting the students run the tuck shop for the year, with the profits going towards the various activities.

    I agree, TY can be a great opportunity. One that I think is probably wasted by leaving kids in school for the year. Why not afford them the opportunity of shaping and organising their own TY. This could be one third individual (extended work experience or travel/exchange) one third societal (sex education, financial education, political/citizenship) and one third communal (agreeing as a year what impact they will make on their community and going and doing it)


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  • #67
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Badly behaved brats = the responsibility of their parents.

    Ludicrous that anyone is trying to suggest otherwise.

    Black cats, black kittens.


  • #68
    MadsL
    Registered Users Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    spurious wrote: »
    Badly behaved brats = the responsibility of their parents.

    Ludicrous that anyone is trying to suggest otherwise.

    Black cats, black kittens.


    Spurious, as a teacher would you say there is any way in hell that the school did not know about this trip in advance?

    I can't see a bunch of teenagers saying, "here, lets go to the Ploughing, will be great craic" - it sounds a lot more like a "traditional" trip as part of TY. I would be astounded if the school were unware.

    As a former teacher myself, there is no way in my day, kids could have organised this themselves and set off without supervision.


  • #69
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Thank you thank you thank you :p

    Ya cheat, I thought that was a link to the radio piece :pac:
    Just for you radio link

    http://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A10062140%3A83%3A05%2D10%2D2012%3A


    @25 mins:p


  • #70
    MadsL
    Registered Users Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    "None organised by schools"

    What are schools thinking allowing unaccompanied trips in school hours is the bigger question.


  • #71
    Infallable
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭Infallable


    This happens all the time in schools down the country for the ploughing championships, completely independant of the school. one student organizes a bus , charges everyone €20 a head and pockets a nice profit for their bother. students tell their parents it's a school trip , parents drop them to the bus at half 5 in the morning. Students head off to ploughing, get locked , covered in **** and have a great time. Great fun .... :/


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  • #72
    noxqs
    Registered Users Posts: 413 ✭✭noxqs


    What kind of person, regardless of intoxicated state, thinks its OK to urinate in a bus, throw stuff out the window (potential to hit a car behind, person, etc), rip up the seats (why?) etc.

    And what kind of person defends this as "arrrr shure they're just a bunch' o lads having the craic.."...

    You'd have to be a gigantic ass to do the above and there is really no excuse for that kind of behavior. I'd expect more civilized behavior from a drunk chimpanzee.


  • #73
    Infallable
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭Infallable


    MadsL wrote: »
    spurious wrote: »
    Badly behaved brats = the responsibility of their parents.

    Ludicrous that anyone is trying to suggest otherwise.

    Black cats, black kittens.


    Spurious, as a teacher would you say there is any way in hell that the school did not know about this trip in advance?

    I can't see a bunch of teenagers saying, "here, lets go to the Ploughing, will be great craic" - it sounds a lot more like a "traditional" trip as part of TY. I would be astounded if the school were unware.

    As a former teacher myself, there is no way in my day, kids could have organised this themselves and set off without supervision.

    Don't underestimate today's youth! Many buses were organized purely by students with no outside help to go to the ploughing. Funnily enough, it's never the academic students that want to go, normally the so called trouble makers, who think the ploughing is the best thing from september to Christmas. No teacher in their right mind would bring students there. It was banned on my school to bring trips to the ploughing. And the schools are aware but can't do anything about it..


  • #74
    TossL1916
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭TossL1916


    i think a few things need to be cleared up here.
    1. the school had absolutely nothing to do with this trip. they would not have been wearing a school uniform nor would the school have known anything about it.
    2. these buses are organised by students themselves. generally one person has the responsibility of contacting the bus company, hiring the bus and collecting the money from those going on the bus.
    3. hundreds of buses with drunk and drugged teens like the one in question descend on the ploughing every year. they leave from almost every town in the country, especially within the vicinity of where the ploughing match is taking place.


  • #75
    MadsL
    Registered Users Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    TossL1916 wrote: »
    i think a few things need to be cleared up here.
    1. the school had absolutely nothing to do with this trip. they would not have been wearing a school uniform nor would the school have known anything about it.

    How do schools explain the lack of pupils at school then? I find it hard to accept that this isn't an annual event that schools are fully aware of.
    2. these buses are organised by students themselves. generally one person has the responsibility of contacting the bus company, hiring the bus and collecting the money from those going on the bus.
    And parents allow this? Wtf? No supervision at all?
    3. hundreds of buses with drunk and drugged teens like the one in question descend on the ploughing every year. they leave from almost every town in the country, especially within the vicinity of where the ploughing match is taking place.

    In school time? And schools turn a blind eye.
    Wow.


  • #76
    Miss Lockhart
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭Miss Lockhart


    MadsL, I'm genuinely interested in what you think schools should do in this situation.


  • #77
    Janedoe10
    Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭Janedoe10


    MadsL wrote: »
    Maggie 2 wrote: »
    It had nothing to do with a school. It was a privately hired bus.

    They lost "out of school" privileges when they started causing criminal damage. I'm speechless that after four stops by Gardai they were not escorted by Gardai back to the school in order for the school to contact parents.

    The bus driver surely cannot be expected to put up with this; and returning them to the school where they would normally be attending is the best solution for a mass transfer of "in loco parentis" responsibility. That or the local Garda Station.

    That said I'm astonished that the bus company accepted "in loco parentis" responsibility in the first place.

    This just shows the level of mayhem that's allowed now .
    My secondary school would have certainly suspended the kids for damage of that nature .
    Christ in our place ones got suspended for wearing the wrong coloured shoes with the uniform. It was seen as a lack of respect .We could not be belted cause it's not allowed but they got their point across.

    They were doing this on school days and just because one mamma gave the go ahead does not make it right . Brats !!! Or is that politically incorrect .

    Kids don't give a shi**, "some " parents don't give a sh**, and if these kids came from the same class . One would think the teachers would notice .


  • #78
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Miss Lockhart wrote: »
    MadsL, I'm genuinely interested in what you think schools should do in this situation.

    Well if it happens every year and is as widespread as some say they should contact the parents before the event and advise them that the school is not organising a trip to the ploughing match this year and all students will be expected to be in school on x, y, z dates


  • #79
    af_thefragile
    Registered Users Posts: 7,171 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    spurious wrote: »
    Black cats, black kittens.

    Black cats/kittens are awesome!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX9mYcm52aU


  • #80
    Miss Lockhart
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭Miss Lockhart


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Well if it happens every year and is as widespread as some say they should contact the parents before the event and advise them that the school is not organising a trip to the ploughing match this year and all students will be expected to be in school on x, y, z dates

    And when the parents still allow their kids attend, then what should they do? Because this is the norm in many parts of the country.


  • #81
    TossL1916
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭TossL1916


    MadsL wrote: »
    How do schools explain the lack of pupils at school then? I find it hard to accept that this isn't an annual event that schools are fully aware of.


    And parents allow this? Wtf? No supervision at all?



    In school time? And schools turn a blind eye.
    Wow.

    I,ll take it that your not a culchie?
    Anyway, schools do notice pupils being absent but the schools have no means of finding out whether the pupils are going with their responsible parents or with their friends on an unsupervised bus. Schools are well aware that its an annual event but they cant know for sure whether pupils are going with their parents or not. Its very common ( and very acceptable ) for a student to miss a day to go to the ploughing. Getting locked on an unsupervised bus was a celtic tiger invention and so the problem is only really being highlighted now.

    Some parents probably dont know whats going on on these buses. others probably couldnt give a feck


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  • #82
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Miss Lockhart wrote: »
    And when the parents still allow their kids attend, then what should they do? Because this is the norm in many parts of the country.

    Suspend the students


  • #83
    MadsL
    Registered Users Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Miss Lockhart wrote: »
    MadsL, I'm genuinely interested in what you think schools should do in this situation.

    If an entire class of kids is going to be out of school I think the principal should be asking some serious questions - it seems that it is common knowledge or practice for kids to go down to the Ploughing and get sh1tfaced.

    Parents may be allowing this, but I would question why school principals are not aware and getting involved to ensure these trips are not booze cruises in school hours.

    Can you think of a reason why school principals should permit these trips without supervision? School principals have the right to say no to planned absence or to announce that trips like these will not be granted absence unless they are supervised.


  • #84
    Bobsammy
    Registered Users Posts: 356 ✭✭Bobsammy


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Suspend the students

    But you can't suspend students for being absent from school with parental permission.


  • #85
    TossL1916
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭TossL1916


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Suspend the students

    so even if a student goes to enjoy the machinery, livestock and other displays they should be suspended aswel? Not all teens go to get hammered and wreck buses.


  • #86
    Miss Lockhart
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭Miss Lockhart


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Suspend the students

    The students cannot be suspended for behaviour on a trip organised or sanctioned by their parents independently of the school. Suspending them for behaviour in school is difficult enough.
    MadsL wrote: »
    If an entire class of kids is going to be out of school I think the principal should be asking some serious questions - it seems that it is common knowledge or practice for kids to go down to the Ploughing and get sh1tfaced.

    Parents may be allowing this, but I would question why school principals are not aware and getting involved to ensure these trips are not booze cruises in school hours.

    Can you think of a reason why school principals should permit these trips without supervision? School principals have the right to say no to planned absence or to announce that trips like these will not be granted absence unless they are supervised.

    But the fact is that principals do not permit these trips.

    Principals cannot say no to planned absence by students if it is permitted by their parents, whether they will be supervised or not.

    Parents have the right allow their child to miss school and attend such events. They can and should be held accountable for the antisocial and criminal behaviour of their children, but that is a separate issue.


  • #87
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Bobsammy wrote: »
    But you can't suspend students for being absent from school with parental permission.
    TossL1916 wrote: »
    so even if a student goes to enjoy the machinery, livestock and other displays they should be suspended aswel? Not all teens go to get hammered and wreck buses.

    Right, Listen closely



    Some say this happens every year
    The dates of the ploughing match is well publicised
    School contacts parents before the ploughing match and advises them
    a)the school is not running an official trip
    b) Every year unsupervised students head down on an organised bus and get p1ssed/ cause havoc
    c)If your little darling is going with their parents, please can the parents of the child call the school principal directly
    d)Investigate unauthorised absences


  • #88
    hardCopy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    MadsL wrote: »
    Miss Lockhart wrote: »
    It is not "mitching" if their parents give them permission.

    Whether the school knew or not is irrelevant if the parents gave permission and it was not a school trip.

    Parents have a legal obligation to inform the school if their child will be absent.
    Responsibilities and duties of parents
    Under the Education Welfare Act 2000 parents must inform the school if their children will be absent from school on a school day and the reason for the absence, for example, illness. It is best to do this in writing
    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/education/primary_and_post_primary_education/attendance_and_discipline_in_schools/school_attendance.html

    Of course the school sanctioned this.

    Never in my life have I heard of parents giving advanced notice to the school of an absence. I left school in 2003 and my sister is still in school, it doesn't happen.

    The school finds out they're absent when they take a roll call, they find out why when the kid comes back with a note.


  • #89
    MadsL
    Registered Users Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Bobsammy wrote: »
    But you can't suspend students for being absent from school with parental permission.

    I'm really struggling to see that that school was not aware of this trip. If this was common occurrence this would not be the first year.

    School: We will not sanction trips of this nature unless accompanied.
    Pupil: But my parents say i can go! Wah! Wah!
    School:Tough, show up for school or get suspended.

    Why are schools allowing this carry-on? Seems a common thing to have to deal with.
    Ploughing Championships

    The school is not running a bus to the Ploughing Championships. As always we ask parents to let us know if for any reason their child is going to be absent or has been absent from school.
    http://www.glenamaddycs.ie/index.php/school-information/2012-07-19-20-48-05/september-2012


  • #90
    Miss Lockhart
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭Miss Lockhart


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Right, Listen closely



    Some say this happens every year
    The dates of the ploughing match is well publicised
    School contacts parents before the ploughing match and advises them
    a)the school is not running an official trip
    b) Every year unsupervised students head down on an organised bus and get p1ssed/ cause havoc
    c)If your little darling is going with their parents, please can the parents of the child call the school principal directly
    d)Investigate unauthorised absences

    I am listening very closely. That is a good plan, but it will do nothing to stop those attending unsuperivsed with the knowledge and consent of their parents. The school has no power to intervene or reprimand those students for their behaviour.
    hardCopy wrote: »
    Never in my life have I heard of parents giving advanced notice to the school of an absence. I left school in 2003 and my sister is still in school, it doesn't happen.

    The school finds out they're absent when they take a roll call, they find out why when the kid comes back with a note.

    The NEWB (who deal with school attendance) advises:

    "You must tell the school that your child cannot attend and say why. It is best to do this in writing, so give the school a note to explain why your child was out."

    http://www.newb.ie/parent_guardian/faq.asp

    Providing a note to explain an absence that has already occurred is acceptable. However, if a child is missing for several days a school will often contact home to find out what the story is.


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  • #91
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Miss Lockhart wrote: »
    I am listening very closely. That is a good plan, but it will do nothing to stop those attending unsuperivsed with the knowledge and consent of their parents. The school has no power to intervene or reprimand those students for their behaviour.




    How many parents would let their children go on such a trip after warnings, not enough to fill a bus is my guess. What do you think?


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