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Irish Palestine Solidarity Campaign

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  • #32
    MaxSteele
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭MaxSteele


    Christ .... these attention-seeking twats will even abuse unpopular bands via twitter for the sake of an imaginary state ??
    They should be told to get to f***. Irish people have a lot more to worry about, rather than harp on about some middle eastern backwater, which isn't even recognized internationally.


  • #33
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,215 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    DonQuay1 wrote: »
    IM0 wrote: »
    sorry, I have been living under a rock the last while, whats the back story here?
    Why don't you follow the link .... or use Google? Do you need to be spoon fed??
    Starting a thread with "So they bla bla..." without a link in an "Everyone will know what I'm talking about" way is attention-seeking and lazy. Doubt the OP REALLY thinks everyone knows what they're talking about.


  • #34
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,215 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Coldm Gds wrote: »
    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Really? Do I?

    Can you back up that retarded accusation? :rolleyes:

    When are the Irish flotillas setting sail for Syria, you little putz?

    Does the frequent murder of lawyers, journalists and anti-Putin activists in Russia stir the 'humanitarian' Irish into boycotts?

    Of course not. You and your tribe of Nazi hosts and pub bombers are only interested in that tiny little country which coincidentally has Jews in it. You know, the same people the rancid Catholic church spent centuries demonising and persecuting.
    Oh it's you again. Yes, British army and loyalist fanatics - bastions of crushing anti semitism before it became the in thing (approximately September 2001) for the fairly far right to "love" Jews. ;)


  • #35
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    wes wrote: »
    I fail to see the issue exactly. People have a right to protest something they don't like. Plenty of artists have ignored such requests in the past btw.

    They didn't cancel because they wanted to. They were pretty much forced to by all the abuse. What business is it of theirs what artists do? They were just foolish to pander to these f***ing idiots. No irony at all in protesting against a nation bullying another supposed nation by bulllying people.
    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Yeah, you're right, let's all just turn a blind eye to Israel's occupation and colonialisation of Palestinian land just so we can make a few quid. :rolleyes:

    And by cancelling a concert for ordinary Israelis you'll achieve that is it? Yeah I'm sure Nentanyahu is rushing to the negotiating table because Devish aren't coming :pac: What the f*** has a traditional Irish concert have to with politics? Or any concert for that matter? What about the US abuses everywhere? Russia? China? Where else should they not go to make a living in order not to risk these f***wits acting like w*nkers? Are we imposing the same standards to the engineers and various others who make a living out of travelling to disputed areas to work?


  • #36
    shampon
    Registered Users Posts: 580 ✭✭✭shampon


    :rolleyes:

    Pinkos read.


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  • #37
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    shampon wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    Pinkos read.

    But sure we couldn't boycott all them, that'd actually affect us adversely. Much like the people in the Shell protests will probably fill up at a Shell station to get to their protests aswell.


  • #38
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    surely Palestine solidarity is a good thing


  • #39
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    These people are anti-democracy and anti freedom of choice. Most of them belong to socialist and IRA supporting groups
    218 Irish artists have pledged not to perform in the country, including Damien Dempsey, Andy Irvine and Donal Lunny.

    Who? :pac:


  • #40
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    token101 wrote: »
    They didn't cancel because they wanted to.

    Plenty of bands of chosen to ignore the BDS campaign against Israel. They could have done the same if they wanted to, and taken the negative publicity.
    token101 wrote: »
    They were pretty much forced to by all the abuse. What business is it of theirs what artists do?

    People have a right to protest if they so choose. The band could have made a choice to ignore the protest if they wanted. Many others have done so in the past.
    token101 wrote: »
    They were just foolish to pander to these f***ing idiots. No irony at all in protesting against a nation bullying another supposed nation by bulllying people.

    I fail to see any bullying at all. Also, a social network campaign is hardly comparably to what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, what with the ongoing ethnic cleansing, colonizations, house demolitions etc. I think trying to compare a few tweets etc to that, is quite frankly rather ridiculous.

    People protested, and the band decided the negative publicity was not worth it. This sort of tactic is hardly unique to Palestinian solidarity or anything and is used against not only bands, but against companies etc by many various groups.

    Also, "supposed nation", the Palestinians are as much a nation of people as anyone else, and its rather nasty to deny them even that much.


  • #41
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    token101 wrote: »
    They didn't cancel because they wanted to. They were pretty much forced to by all ...............reas to work?


    So we should never have had a boycott of Apartheid SA, and pretend Chinas normal then....
    Richardhillman wrote:
    These people are anti-democracy and anti freedom of choice.

    Well, the ones that support the occupation and colonisation are.

    O....wait....


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  • #42
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    These people are anti-democracy and anti freedom of choice. Most of them belong to socialist and IRA supporting groups

    explain how they are anti democracy and the Israeli occupation of Palestine isn't


  • #43
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Mountjoy Mugger wrote: »
    I see the bullies got their way, getting Dervish to pull out of a proposed tour.

    A real touch of class. ****.

    If the IPSC are "bullies" because of that, how would you describe the IDF after 40 years of this?

    http://www.btselem.org/topic/settlements

    http://www.btselem.org/topic/administrative_detention


  • #44
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Nodin wrote: »
    So we should never have had a boycott of Apartheid SA, and pretend Chinas normal then....
    ....

    Boycotts should be chosen by the parties involved. If you believe strongly enough, go ahead boycott away. However, forcing someone into a boycott is harrassment and intimidation. That's what happened here. Venom was mentioned by them in their statement. That's more than a protest.

    We do pretend China is normal! We've accepted their president in waiting and accepted sh*tloads of investment. The head of the Palestine Solidarity society in Cork is a leading professor in computer science in UCC. If UCC were to get a major contract from the Chinese or were asked to link up with China for a form of research, which isn't unlikely considering the investment here, would he refuse it or at least resign in protest? Because if he doesn't he's a total hypocrite. Will all these 'protesters' boycott all Chinese made goods? Or is that not trendy enough? You're either committed or you're not.
    Nodin wrote: »
    Well, the ones that support the occupation and colonisation are.

    O....wait....

    Yeah these people are no better than the IDF. Will they be advocating the boycott of all the products listed here?


  • #45
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    token101 wrote: »
    Yeah these people are no better than the IDF. Will they be advocating the boycott of all the products listed here?

    Don't be silly. A boycott is a tactic, not a way of life. It will be impossible to boycott everything in this day and age, where parts for something can come from all over the world. The simple fact is that there really is no way to completely boycott any country.


  • #46
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Nodin wrote: »
    If the IPSC are "bullies" because of that, how would you describe the IDF after 40 years of this?

    http://www.btselem.org/topic/settlements

    http://www.btselem.org/topic/administrative_detention

    But they weren't playing for the IDF forces FFS!


  • #47
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    wes wrote: »
    Don't be silly. A boycott is a tactic, not a way of life. It will be impossible to boycott everything in this day and age, where parts for something can come from all over the world. The simple fact is that there really is no way to completely boycott any country.

    A boycott when it suits so. Hypocrisy it is then.


  • #48
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    token101 wrote: »
    Boycotts should be chosen by the parties involved. If you believe strongly enough, go ahead boycott away. However, forcing someone into a boycott is harrassment and intimidation. That's what happened here. Venom was mentioned by them in their statement. That's more than a protest.

    Well sanctions are a form of enforced boycott, and thats what was eventually deployed against Apartheid SA. Are you against sanctions as well?

    Do you believe that we should ignore what goes on in the occupied areas?
    token101 wrote: »
    We do pretend China is normal! We've accepted their president in waiting and accepted sh*tloads of investment.


    The state does.
    token101 wrote: »
    The head of the Palestine Solidarity society in Cork is a leading professor in computer science in UCC. If UCC were to get a major contract from the Chinese or were asked to link up with China for a form of research, which isn't unlikely considering the investment here, would he refuse it or at least resign in protest?

    Wildly speculating on the actions of a specific individual of whom you've no personal knowledge isn't really a sound basis for any case.

    token101 wrote: »
    Because if he doesn't he's a total hypocrite. Will all these 'protesters' boycott all Chinese made goods? Or is that not trendy enough? You're either committed or you're not.



    So by your failure to comment on the continuing abuse of the West Papuan people by the Indonesian governments forces, I can take it that you're a "total hypocrite" and a tacit support of its policy. Stunning. Later I'll search for your posts for mention of the Nazi regime. So far by your logic, I'm not hopeful.
    token101 wrote: »
    Yeah these people are no better than the IDF. Will they be advocating the boycott of all the products listed here?

    Just as a matter of interest - do you support Israels attempts to annex the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem etc?


  • #49
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    token101 wrote: »
    A boycott when it suits so. Hypocrisy it is then.

    Hardly. Again, boycott is tactic, and nothing more. To pretend that it is in and off itself is the be all and end all of things is simple absurd. The reaction to even a limited boycott, shows that this sort of thing can have an effect.

    Even a country like Iran isn't completely sanctioned by the US or the EU. By your logic nothing less than a completely and total sanctioning of everything Iranian would be hypocrisy. "Hypocrisy" is only thrown out uniquely by apologists for Israel, and they oddly enough you don't hear about the "hypocrisy" in regards to the likes of the US and EU in regards to Iran and other countries, they choose to sanction.

    Now the reason, the US or EU etc don't sanction everything, is because it s a tactic. If you start by sanctioning everything, then they have no where to go, if things don't work out. So they sanction some things, and then if things deteriorate, they can add more sanctions. The same goes for boycotts, which again is a tactic that various groups can use.


  • #50
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    ....wouldn't the world (and certainly this country) perhaps be a better place if people used the energy and emotion they harbour against people who campaign on an issue, to campaign on an issue themselves?


  • #51
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Nodin wrote: »
    Well sanctions are a form of enforced boycott, and thats what was eventually deployed against Apartheid SA. Are you against sanctions as well?

    Do you believe that we should ignore what goes on in the occupied areas?

    We already ignore it when it suits. If they really cared they'd boycott everything to do with Israel. I just despise these f***wits masquerading as protesters when all they really are is bullies making life difficult for others by spewing venomous rubbish on SN sites. I wonder how many of them would climb aboard the flotillas?
    Nodin wrote: »
    The state does.

    Where was the computer/phone made? At a guess I'd say Chinese labour had some input. So you're propping them up by spending your money on these goods. Why don't you or these people stop in protest? Because it'd make life more difficult, that's why! So these people choose to boycott when it suits, or more accurately when it has no real impact upon them. That's hypocrisy and it's laughable.

    Nodin wrote: »
    Wildly speculating on the actions of a specific individual of whom you've no personal knowledge isn't really a sound basis for any case.

    I do have personal knowledge as it happens ;) But that's irrelevant really, the point is that there's a massive hypocrisy there.
    Nodin wrote: »
    So by your failure to comment on the continuing abuse of the West Papuan people by the Indonesian governments forces, I can take it that you're a "total hypocrite" and a tacit support of its policy. Stunning. Later I'll search for your posts for mention of the Nazi regime. So far by your logic, I'm not hopeful.

    No but I'm part of a society that gives its tacit support by failing to intervene in a meaningful way.
    Nodin wrote: »
    Just as a matter of interest - do you support Israels attempts to annex the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem etc?

    It's not my fight, so I don't particularly care if I'm honest. The world has already given it's support to Israel by failing to back the Palestinians in any meaningful way. A cultural boycott is meaningless.


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  • #52
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    wes wrote: »
    Hardly. Again, boycott is tactic, and nothing more. To pretend that it is in and off itself is the be all and end all of things is simple absurd. The reaction to even a limited boycott, shows that this sort of thing can have an effect.

    Even a country like Iran isn't completely sanctioned by the US or the EU. By your logic nothing less than a completely and total sanctioning of everything Iranian would be hypocrisy. "Hypocrisy" is only thrown out uniquely by apologists for Israel, and they oddly enough you don't hear about the "hypocrisy" in regards to the likes of the US and EU in regards to Iran and other countries, they choose to sanction.

    Now the reason, the US or EU etc don't sanction everything, is because it s a tactic. If you start by sanctioning everything, then they have no where to go, if things don't work out. So they sanction some things, and then if things deteriorate, they can add more sanctions. The same goes for boycotts, which again is a tactic that various groups can use.

    But none of that is really relevant here. A boycott or sanctions should be a choice by those involved. That wasn't the case here. This group were just bullied into it. I'd love to know many people in the Apartheid boycotts actually gave a sh*t and weren't just going with the flow.


  • #53
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....wouldn't the world (and certainly this country) perhaps be a better place if people used the energy and emotion they harbour against people who campaign on an issue, to campaign on an issue themselves?

    Pointing out laughable hypocrisy amongst 'protesters' is a campaign in itself!


  • #54
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    token101 wrote: »
    We already ignore it when it suits. If they really cared they'd boycott everything to do with Israel. I just despise these f***wits masquerading as protesters when all they really are is bullies making life difficult for others by spewing venomous rubbish on SN sites. I wonder how many of them would climb aboard the flotillas?.

    People who board the flotillas get even more abuse, here at any rate.

    The rest of that would be covered by this.....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78517483&postcount=50

    token101 wrote: »
    It's not my fight, so I don't particularly care if I'm honest. .....

    Yet you seem to have a good amount of anger put aside for those who do, and have put aside time and energy here to denigrate their efforts.


  • #55
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    token101 wrote: »
    Pointing out laughable hypocrisy amongst 'protesters' is a campaign in itself!

    Next week you'll presumably be posting about why the council for the blind doesn't do more for the deaf....


  • #56
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Nodin wrote: »
    People who board the flotillas get even more abuse, here at any rate.

    The rest of that would be covered by this.....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78517483&postcount=50

    Yet you seem to have a good amount of anger put aside for those who do, and have put aside time and energy here to denigrate their efforts.

    I don't have any anger really. I just think their efforts are pointless in the context of this situation, and harmful to others like this group trying to make a living.
    Nodin wrote: »
    Next week you'll presumably be posting about with the council for the blind doesn't do more for the deaf....

    The council for the blind does something meaningful though. These people don't.


  • #57
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    token101 wrote: »
    I don't have any anger really. I just think their efforts are pointless in the context of this situation, and harmful to others like this group trying to make a living. .

    ....but you don't care, according to yourself, about an army being harmful to millions trying to do the same - a strange sense of proportion.

    And yes, going by your posts, you certainly do have some anger/resentment towards them. As stated earlier, its wasted energy.
    token101 wrote: »
    The council for the blind does something meaningful though. These people don't.

    Being obtuse now, are we? The councifl for the Blind concentrates on the Blind, Palestinian campaigners concentrate on Palestine. The latter gets abuse for focus from you, the former doesn't.


  • #58
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....wouldn't the world (and certainly this country) perhaps be a better place if people used the energy and emotion they harbour against people who campaign on an issue, to campaign on an issue themselves?

    Those sort of people stand for nothing positive themselves. If you get the right wing nutters to really think about it they wouldn't know which side of the fence to get on in a war between Muslims and Jews!


  • #59
    Mr. Loverman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    Nodin wrote: »
    Palestinian campaigners concentrate on Palestine.

    That's not totally true. Most of them will show up to any sort of anti-whatever rally.

    I am an ex-member. I left when I realised the organisation was made up of about 10% genuinely decent people, about 50% anti-everything people, and about 40% it's-cool-to-be-pro-Palestine people.

    Overall I think they do more good than harm though.


  • #60
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Mr. Loverman wrote: »
    Overall I think they do more good than harm though.

    Maybe so, but stuff like this, harrassing people into their way of thinking, it's not on. Register a protest and leave it at that.


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  • #61
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....but you don't care, according to yourself, about an army being harmful to millions trying to do the same - a strange sense of proportion.

    And yes, going by your posts, you certainly do have some anger/resentment towards them. As stated earlier, its wasted energy..

    Well, when I find something worth fighting for, I'll make my voice heard ;)
    Nodin wrote: »
    Being obtuse now, are we? The councifl for the Blind concentrates on the Blind, Palestinian campaigners concentrate on Palestine. The latter gets abuse for focus from you, the former doesn't.

    You bring the council for the blind into it, and I'm being obtuse :pac: A former member just said most have no focus. Just anarchists turning up for a day out.


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