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Pre-pay pumps soon to be norm.

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  • 17-08-2012 6:12pm
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    sandin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭


    Looks like a good few garages are about to move over to prepay at all times.

    Brennans Maxol in Newbridge, on of the busiest stations in the country as its just off the M7 is to introduce it almost immediately - signs are up, but covered.

    I'd say you'll hear a few complaining, but then the other side is the motorist is paying for those who drive away without paying.


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    ardmacha
    Registered Users Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    I wouldn't patronise a station that required two trips to the cash desk. Why don't they have credit card payment at the pump?. Applegreen had this on the M1 and disabled it shortly after the stations opened.


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    Gran Hermano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    Whilst it might work with those who buy their fuel in quantities of €10 or €20 at a time, I don't. I fill my tank in one go and put in whatever it takes to fill fully and the amount varies greatly. I have no problem swiping a card for payment at the pump but refuse to use prepayment and two trips to the till.


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    Leonard Hofstadter
    Registered Users Posts: 5,540 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    I agree. I will not use a pre pay pump as I like to brim the tank and so can accurately work out what my mpg is. I have no objection to a card reader though, that saves me the time of going in!


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    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    I love the card machines at some maxols and topaz's , means I dont have to go to the counter.

    What I dont understand is why the outmost pumps at stations are prepay, if im going to do a driveoff surely i wouldnt care, rather than only go for the outside pump


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    MugMugs
    Registered Users Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    I'd rather be able to use my card at the machine frankly.


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    skyhighflyer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭skyhighflyer


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    I love the card machines at some maxols and topaz's , means I dont have to go to the counter.

    What I dont understand is why the outmost pumps at stations are prepay, if im going to do a driveoff surely i wouldnt care, rather than only go for the outside pump

    It's because usually staff have a better view of you and the car, and also CCTV often doesn't pick up reg's once you get too far away.


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    Cuddlesworth
    Registered Users Posts: 13,980 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    I love the card machines at some maxols and topaz's , means I dont have to go to the counter.

    What I dont understand is why the outmost pumps at stations are prepay, if im going to do a driveoff surely i wouldnt care, rather than only go for the outside pump

    A fair few cheap out on the cameras so they can't pick up accurate details on the far pumps. Face is unclear and a light dirt smearing on the reg makes it unreadable.


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    charlemont
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    I'v had the habit of paying first for years, So doesn't really bother me. Its not often I drive much anymore.


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    McGrath5
    Registered Users Posts: 2,323 ✭✭✭McGrath5


    Ugh, 2 trips to the till, no thanks. It would make sense if you could just swipe your card at the pump and work away.

    From the point of view of the service station, I can see why they are doing this. All those eejits who fill up with €20.02 and only hand over the even €20 when paying, it will certainly cut out that crap.


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    Marcusm
    Registered Users Posts: 10,184 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Not so much pre pay pumps but prepay service stations. Bizarre way to approach the matter unless driveaways are really that common. In Italy, prepay facilities exist and are, in some cases, 12c per litre cheaper. In the UK, Shell is bringing back pump attendants at any busy stations. In Ireland, if this post is anything to go by, it's a combo of further discommoding the customer and slowing the process dwn. Progress?


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    bijapos
    Registered Users Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭bijapos


    ardmacha wrote: »
    I wouldn't patronise a station that required two trips to the cash desk. Why don't they have credit card payment at the pump?. Applegreen had this on the M1 and disabled it shortly after the stations opened.

    Applegreen still have card payments in the truck section of that station, in fact I dont think you can pay for truck fuel with cash.
    Gran Hermano wrote: »
    Whilst it might work with those who buy their fuel in quantities of €10 or €20 at a time, I don't. I fill my tank in one go and put in whatever it takes to fill fully and the amount varies greatly. I have no problem swiping a card for payment at the pump but refuse to use prepayment and two trips to the till.

    With a card system it's possible to fill to the brim, you put your card in first, then print the receipt when you finish. I can understand your point though if your paying in cash.


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    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,624 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Marcusm wrote: »
    Not so much pre pay pumps but prepay service stations. Bizarre way to approach the matter unless driveaways are really that common. In Italy, prepay facilities exist and are, in some cases, 12c per litre cheaper. In the UK, Shell is bringing back pump attendants at any busy stations. In Ireland, if this post is anything to go by, it's a combo of further discommoding the customer and slowing the process dwn. Progress?

    I suspect the OP is confusing the optional prepay pumps that a lot of Topaz and Maxol stations are adding with stations becoming forced prepay.


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    keithclancy
    Registered Users Posts: 9,222 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    I would say their a great idea... but foreigners wreck the whole thing.

    Coming back from the UK I was at a Car pump just outside Antwerp behind a bunch of UK reg cars, scratching their heads.


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    naughtysmurf
    Registered Users Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭naughtysmurf


    In Florida last year I used to pull up at the pumps, walk in to the cashier & ask for $20 on pump 5 and pay, walk back to car and the pump would only dispense $20 worth of fuel, thought that worked grand and only one trip to the cashier, maybe that's the system they will use, could also pay by card at the pump


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    Berty
    Registered Users Posts: 26,149 ✭✭✭✭Berty


    Be like yer man in Texaco in Limerick who just dumped a car at a pump furthest away from the shop because there were no security cameras. Car must have been there 2 years. Used to really confuse people sitting behind it waiting for the customer to come out because said customer never existed.

    I don't mind pre pay pumps because less interaction with surly staff who don't want to be there. Although I have a fuel card so looks like they'd have to invest in chip and pin for Topaz.


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    sandin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭sandin


    MYOB wrote: »
    I suspect the OP is confusing the optional prepay pumps that a lot of Topaz and Maxol stations are adding with stations becoming forced prepay.

    Nope - 100% pre pay 24hours a day and cheaper price. They had over €2k in dreaways in one week recently and they would rather lose some business than put up with this as the only other option is to close.

    So blame the thieving scum who don't pay rather than the garage.

    As some post above shpow, there will be those who won't like it and sayign they want to fill up / buy by litre etc, but looks like this will spread very quickly as driveaways cost stations a fortune these days - esp whn profits on a litre of fuel is only about 5c in most cases.

    My guess is if a staion is 2c cheaper in an area, people will prepay - I certainly would.


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    Wise Old Elf
    Moderators Posts: 3,554 ✭✭✭Wise Old Elf


    I hate having to pre-pay in a shop if I'm tring to fill up, obviously no idea how much car is going to take.
    If you're talking about the Tesco style Pay-at-Pump facility, I'm all for it; insert card, fill up, leave, no messing.


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    smemon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭smemon


    Screw all you lot, i want to pay online in advance, get a voucher number, key in the voucher number and bam - pump dispenses that amount.

    Ideally, i want my car to tell me how much it needs, find the garages nearby, price them all and give me the cheapest then pre-order petrol. I pull up to the pump, it recognises my plates and a machine opens the fuel cap and inserts the nozzle, auto pumping fuel.

    THAT'S how it should be, not this prepay ****e that will only serve to confuse people & cause backlogs at pumps.


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    bop1977
    Registered Users Posts: 1,050 ✭✭✭bop1977


    i go to a petrol station in santry that is not manned and has credit/debit card payment only at all of its pumps.

    you insert your card select petrol/diesel then the amount in 10 20 40 60 or 80. lift the nozzle and fill.

    it only dispences the amount you requested and you are in and out in no time.


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    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,624 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    sandin wrote: »
    Nope - 100% pre pay 24hours a day and cheaper price. They had over €2k in dreaways in one week recently and they would rather lose some business than put up with this as the only other option is to close.

    So blame the thieving scum who don't pay rather than the garage.

    As some post above shpow, there will be those who won't like it and sayign they want to fill up / buy by litre etc, but looks like this will spread very quickly as driveaways cost stations a fortune these days - esp whn profits on a litre of fuel is only about 5c in most cases.

    My guess is if a staion is 2c cheaper in an area, people will prepay - I certainly would.

    If this is the case, their shop will be closed within weeks, and that's where most stations make the bulk of their profits, so the station will follow...


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    pcardin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭pcardin


    ardmacha wrote: »
    I wouldn't patronise a station that required two trips to the cash desk.

    how is a prepay pump forcing you to make two trips to counter? You park at the pump, go to the till pay €50 or whatever get back to car fill petrol and drive away. Or am I missing something? :confused:

    Of course prepay automated pumps would be a perfect solution ( at least for me) as I hate going to the till at all.


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    ofcork
    Registered Users Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Only one garage in cork is all prepay afaik.


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    Gran Hermano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    pcardin wrote: »
    how is a prepay pump forcing you to make two trips to counter? You park at the pump, go to the till pay €50 or whatever get back to car fill petrol and drive away. Or am I missing something? :confused:

    Of course prepay automated pumps would be a perfect solution ( at least for me) as I hate going to the till at all.

    You prepay your 50 at the till but your tank will only take 47€, second trip for your change.

    You prepay €50 but your tank takes €54, second trip to pay the extra.

    By brimming the tank and then paying you also get to minimize the amount of times you need to fill up.


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    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    I know 11 cent is not much but everytime i pre-pay for petrol say for €20 when i hold down the pressure pump it always goes to €20.11, even if i get a fivers worth it will be €5.11, i take no notice as they said the pump is configured for the amount i pay so must be a flaw in the pump but it's like this 5 months now.


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    kuro2k
    Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭kuro2k


    ofcork wrote: »
    Only one garage in cork is all prepay afaik.

    TOP kinsale road?

    Its diesel only, cheapest in the city!


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    The Pontiac
    Registered Users Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭The Pontiac


    ofcork wrote: »
    Only one garage in cork is all prepay afaik.

    The one in Little Island is prepay only.


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    ofcork
    Registered Users Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭ofcork


    kuro2k wrote: »
    TOP kinsale road?

    Its diesel only, cheapest in the city!

    Garage on rochestown road was the only one i was aware of.


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    GreeBo
    Registered Users Posts: 27,031 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    zenno wrote: »
    I know 11 cent is not much but everytime i pre-pay for petrol say for €20 when i hold down the pressure pump it always goes to €20.11, even if i get a fivers worth it will be €5.11, i take no notice as they said the pump is configured for the amount i pay so must be a flaw in the pump but it's like this 5 months now.

    Happened me before but it went over by 55 cent or so. The guy called me back in over the loud speaker I complained that pre-pay should stop at the amount I pre-paid, like it does everywhere else in the world...he answered that it was the customers responsibility to stop it at exactly the correct amount. So I passed over my laser card to pay for the extra 55c and he complained saying he wouldnt take it...I said I had no cash at all and he let me off.

    In Italy you stick in a card or cash and prepay a specific amount, pump slows down and cuts out exactly at that amount. In US you go in and swipe your card authorizing whatever amount you think you need, then they just debit the actual amount.


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    pete4130
    Registered Users Posts: 3,944 ✭✭✭pete4130


    While driving across the US a few years ago its very common to pay at the pumps. You type in the amount you want (say $60) and if it came to $56 then only $56 comes off your card. Either you get refunded or the $60 is just pre-authorised. No big dramas.

    It works well. The only occasions I had to go inside to prepay was when my Irish credit card was declined, as most pumps in the US you need to enter the zip code of where the card is addressed to.


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    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users Posts: 14,136 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    I've always wondered why they don't enclose the garage, and do it like a car park sort of thing. You drive in, fill up your car, a ticket comes out of a machine beside the pump, you drive up to the exit barrier and put the ticket in, it tells you what to pay and when you put the money in the barrier opens to let you out.. Thank you for listening Dragons, I'll take that investment now


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