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Veneers - bad job done! need advice :(

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    "There are plenty of top class "cosmetic" dentists in Ireland (there is no such thing as a cosmetic dentist BTW there is no speciality in cosmetic dentistry either here or in the UK"
    There is no official recognition within the Dental Council for the speciality of "cosmetic dentist", there is also no recognition for Endodontist, Periodontist or Prothodontist
    The only recognised specialities are those of Oral Surgeon and Orthodontist

    That is true, every other developed country in the world accepts endodontics, periodontics, prosthodontics and paedodontics as a specialist qualification (UK, US, Germany, Greece, portugal, spain, france, japan etc. etc.). This allows patient to know who they are going to and that they are bona fida specialists. Unfortunately the Irish dental council have not yet recognised these specialities even though these postgraduate degrees can be completed in Irish universities. The new dentist act may sort this out. We are working off a 30 year old dentists act, dentistry has move on a lot since then, implants were not even commonplace in the 1980's


  • Registered Users Posts: 16 JM1971


    Hi I hope you can help me if poss. I have been advised by my own local dentist to see an endodontic but he did not recommend anyone to me . I had a filling last week to replace an old one as I was suffering with the tooth. However I am still suffering with the tooth and in extreme pain. My dentist did take xrays and explained their was a small shadow over the nerves of the tooth which could possibly indicate for root canal treatment but he couldnt be 100% sure of the exact diagnosis . I am not in constant pain all the time its mainly when I am eating and food goes near that tooth that it really kicks off. I noticed some of the moderators are indeed dentists and am wondering would they advise me to do the same? Its just money is tight and I have been to an endodontist before for another tooth and I was charged e1100 and yet I have been told by a friend to go to a regular dentist who will charge me half the price. :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭Oral Surgeon


    JM1971 wrote: »
    Hi I hope you can help me if poss. I have been advised by my own local dentist to see an endodontic but he did not recommend anyone to me . I had a filling last week to replace an old one as I was suffering with the tooth. However I am still suffering with the tooth and in extreme pain. My dentist did take xrays and explained their was a small shadow over the nerves of the tooth which could possibly indicate for root canal treatment but he couldnt be 100% sure of the exact diagnosis . I am not in constant pain all the time its mainly when I am eating and food goes near that tooth that it really kicks off. I noticed some of the moderators are indeed dentists and am wondering would they advise me to do the same? Its just money is tight and I have been to an endodontist before for another tooth and I was charged e1100 and yet I have been told by a friend to go to a regular dentist who will charge me half the price. :confused:

    Most endodontists will work off a referral from your dentist only. Best to ring your dentist and ask for a referral to someone they recommend.
    You can save money by getting it done with your regular dentist but success depends on their extra training and equipment specific to root canal treatments, also the further back the tooth- the more difficult the root canal.... You can be pretty sure an endodontist will tick all these boxes...
    e1100 sounds pricey even by specialist rates


  • Registered Users Posts: 16 JM1971


    Oral surgeon , thank you for your advice although am now in a dilemma.
    I rung my original endodontic and her price from two yrs ago has now dropped substantially to euro 740.00 great news. Now my problem is this : the pain has subsided ,however yesterday my face began to swell? I have a numbness to the right hand side of my face almost like after the initial anaesthetic for the filling but pain has subsided to about 15%. I have grinded my teeth since I was a child (runs in the family and my kids too) & I have used gum shields but disliked them and stopped. Prior to all this happening on and off I had a pain on the same side of face and jaw for a number of weeks. I went to my doctor today who recommends I hold off from root canal as she thinks its TMJ (temporomandibular joint disorders) . My appointment for the endodontic is tommorow and now I am not sure what to do ? Will the endodontic know for sure ? Dont want unnecessary work done. Many thanks for any input.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭Oral Surgeon


    Good first step...
    If your face is swelling- it is most likely a facial infection as a result of a dead tooth. Keep the appointment with the endodontist, they are well trained to know the difference between an infection and tmj disorders.
    Good luck,
    OS


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  • Registered Users Posts: 16 JM1971


    Thank you for replying and I am pleased she will know the diagnosis between the two. I will keep the appointment now . Thanks a mil. Jan


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 shaza123


    Hi ,

    i had veneers done here in Ireland two + years ago. One veneer fell out on the morning of my wedding !! I had it fixed on the day by another dentist and contacted the dentist who did the work a few days later. He offered to re-do it but I would have to cover the lab costs which was the most expensive part. I left it at that and choose not to have it doneas it seemed to be fine and I didnt trust the dentist to do it and risk paying even more money. The same veneer fell out again today. It never looked perfect and for the cost involved it was all very dissatisfactory. Can any one else suggest a specialist for veneers, PM me please...willing to travel. Thanks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,936 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    shaza123 wrote: »
    Hi ,

    i had veneers done here in Ireland two + years ago. One veneer fell out on the morning of my wedding !! I had it fixed on the day by another dentist and contacted the dentist who did the work a few days later. He offered to re-do it but I would have to cover the lab costs which was the most expensive part. I left it at that and choose not to have it doneas it seemed to be fine and I didnt trust the dentist to do it and risk paying even more money. The same veneer fell out again today. It never looked perfect and for the cost involved it was all very dissatisfactory. Can any one else suggest a specialist for veneers, PM me please...willing to travel. Thanks.

    where in the country are you?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,735 ✭✭✭Stuxnet


    looking for advise also, i had 4 veneers put in my top 4 front teeth in Thailand 6 years, so far so good, till i bit on a mr.freeze ice pop last night and one of them came off, completely exposing the filed back bad tooth, which is very sensitive now due to the exposure....

    very frightened this will cost me a small fortune, that i dont have to fix ? is it just a 80 euro re-cement job as Ive read ?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    Stuxnet wrote: »
    very frightened this will cost me a small fortune, that i dont have to fix ? is it just a 80 euro re-cement job as Ive read ?

    It will depend on the condition of the veneer and tooth it's attached to.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,735 ✭✭✭Stuxnet


    It will depend on the condition of the veneer and tooth it's attached to.

    they look fine :-/

    would look better in my mouth :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    Its really impossible to recement a veneer for technicial reasons, and any attempt to do so generally leads to aesthetic and gum problems. Best get one veneer remade. 6 years is on the low side of average but it would have me too worried about the others.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3 JackieS


    Carpenter wrote: »
    Hi
    I could recommend a top class place but would bet it will be removed very quick .

    Where is this dentist
    J


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    JackieS wrote: »
    Where is this dentist
    J
    No names allowed on the forum, only by PM.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 dentalboyo


    What is interesting is that people aren't looking for real micro thin veneers like Lumineers and LuraSmile Veneers which are placed by dentists trained in the technique.

    All this running to Eastern Europe is crazy UNLESS the dentist you are visiting there is accredited to either the GDC or the IDC. Now in Romania there is several dentists that are accredited to the GDC and IDC so if you visit them you DO have come back in Ireland and the UK.

    I must admit the moderators are tight on here which is a good thing and very pro-Irish dentists which is also good but a lot of the dentists in Ireland are very complacent which means patients are looking abroad for savings.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭Oral Surgeon


    dentalboyo wrote: »
    What is interesting is that people aren't looking for real micro thin veneers like Lumineers and LuraSmile Veneers which are placed by dentists trained in the technique.

    All this running to Eastern Europe is crazy UNLESS the dentist you are visiting there is accredited to either the GDC or the IDC. Now in Romania there is several dentists that are accredited to the GDC and IDC so if you visit them you DO have come back in Ireland and the UK.

    I must admit the moderators are tight on here which is a good thing and very pro-Irish dentists which is also good but a lot of the dentists in Ireland are very complacent which means patients are looking abroad for savings.

    Thanks shilly mcshill shill


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 dentalboyo


    Are Lumineers not a brand of veneers?

    Are there not dentists in Hungary who are IDC and GDC registered? Seeing one of them would surely give the patient some recall in their own countries?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    Stops dragging up old threads. Check the dates before posting if the thread is more than a few months old, please dont resurrect it.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    Joolzie wrote: »
    Can you please PM me the specialist, I need to get some work done. Thanks

    she hasnt been online since 2011, i dont think she's coming back.

    moved to your own thread


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