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Should Bowling Green Car Park be converted into a Open air Market?

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    Mrs OBumble
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    Nooo ... it would mean losing car-parks! Ref: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056938972

    And likely to become quite dodgy at night if there aren't lots of people using the car-parks there.


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    what_traffic
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    Interesting point re Passive Security. How about updating the street lights in that area?


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    Lapin
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »

    And likely to become quite dodgy at night if there aren't lots of people using the car-parks there.


    I'm struggling to make any sense out of that sentence.


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    biko
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    I think Mrs OB means that deserted car parks attract gangs of kids that get up to no good.
    I use that car park quite often so no, I don't think it should be used as something else. This is the entrance

    I've been to a few canopy markets, they're nice but I'm not convinced Galway need another market.


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    jkforde
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    yeah, not a bad idea.. if it doesn't work nothing permanently injured, it could just go back to being a nice car park
    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    And likely to become quite dodgy at night if there aren't lots of people using the car-parks there.

    on that basis nothing would be tried in the interest of the vast majority in case a tiny minority of teenagers become rowdy. I suppose it's one model on how we should develop our society.

    🌦️ 6.7kwp, 45°, SSW, mid-Galway 🌦️



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    snubbleste
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    No.


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    snubbleste
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    People have tried to set up markets elsewhere but have been refused ie. a seven day market on Headford Rd http://gis.galwaycity.ie/PlanEnqLite/Default.aspx?FullFileNumber=26a-10129&FromMap=True


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    dinneenp
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    Isn't the obvious place for a market, be it artists, food or whatever the large space down by the docks where Funderland is now?

    I think a great addition to Galway would be a space for artists, photographers, painters etc. displaying and selling their stuff. Throw in a few food stalls and a few other bits


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    biko
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    Indeed, the docks space would be great for that.


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    antoobrien
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    dinneenp wrote: »
    Isn't the obvious place for a market, be it artists, food or whatever the large space down by the docks where Funderland is now?

    I think a great addition to Galway would be a space for artists, photographers, painters etc. displaying and selling their stuff. Throw in a few food stalls and a few other bits

    What about a small one on front of the Spanish arch, might stop it being used by drunken teenageers tourists.


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    No way, its a very handy car park when you need to park near shop street etc or if you are leaving the car overnight on a saturday night when going out. Car parking is already hard enough to find its more spaces we need not less.


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    galwaycyclist
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    dinneenp wrote: »
    Isn't the obvious place for a market, be it artists, food or whatever the large space down by the docks where Funderland is now?

    I think a great addition to Galway would be a space for artists, photographers, painters etc. displaying and selling their stuff. Throw in a few food stalls and a few other bits

    Disagree I'm afraid. All the classic city centre markets that I can think of (Munich etc) are associated in some way with a pedestrian area or vehicle restricted zone.

    The docks is separated from the rest of the city by two hostile - two lane - one way streets.

    The whole idea of a market is that it is a place people can stroll around. I don't think the docks ticks those boxes.


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    antoobrien
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    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    Disagree I'm afraid. All the classic city centre markets that I can think of (Munich etc) are associated in some way with a pedestrian area or vehicle restricted zone.

    Shop street is reasonably wide - would a Moore St/Henry St style market look out of place?


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    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    Disagree I'm afraid. All the classic city centre markets that I can think of (Munich etc) are associated in some way with a pedestrian area or vehicle restricted zone.

    The docks is separated from the rest of the city by two hostile - two lane - one way streets.

    The whole idea of a market is that it is a place people can stroll around. I don't think the docks ticks those boxes.

    The docks is nearly as close to shop street as that car park and come on crossing a road is not going to stop anyone going down there, why on earth would it.


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    inisboffin
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    antoobrien wrote: »
    Shop street is reasonably wide - would a Moore St/Henry St style market look out of place?

    It would have to be stuff on the stalls that is not sold in the shops. Otherwise there's be many objections. And Shop St is a good bit narrower imo. Half the character of Moore St was the semi-illegality of it for years, along with the odd bit of contraband at certain times of the year. Can't see it working here on Shop St tbh, just like it wouldn't have worked to the same extent on Grafton St (both more strolly/touristy streets than frantic powershop streets).


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    topcat77
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    would prefer if it'd be made into a secure bike parking area. something like this would be nice. enough parking in the city but no secure bike parking facility.

    bike park01.jpg

    bike park.jpg


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    Mrs OBumble
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    jkforde wrote: »
    on that basis nothing would be tried in the interest of the vast majority in case a tiny minority of teenagers become rowdy. I suppose it's one model on how we should develop our society.

    Nope, that's not what I said.

    People who live in Bowling Green already tell me that they never use the road beside Sally Longs if they're walking home alone at night.

    There are many places around town where another market could be put, which wouldn't have the ASB issues which that particular tucked-away piece of space would have. Spanish Arch. The Docks. The area outside Supermacs on Eyre Square (there have been illegal traders there for yeears, recently the council started granting licences, but it's not full). Woodquay (which I think is the best option, actually)

    We need to get smarter about building things in ways that actively discourage ASB, simply because it's such a problem here in Ireland.


    And that's without even mentioning the vehicle access issues that traders woudl have with getting their stalls and goods along the narrow streets and into the Newtonsmith site. (You have seen the rigs that many of the folks at St Nicholas use, haven't you.)


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    what_traffic
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »

    And that's without even mentioning the vehicle access issues that traders woudl have with getting their stalls and goods along the narrow streets and into the Newtonsmith site. (You have seen the rigs that many of the folks at St Nicholas use, haven't you.)

    It's the Bowling Green Car park - not the Newtonsmith site that is being suggested. There is far more room in Bowling Green area for vechicle's to manouver than at St Nicholas Church.

    Re Dock's Site - is this land in public or private ownership? Reason for suggesting Bowling Green Car park is that the City Council own it.


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    ?Cee?view
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    what_traffic wrote: »
    It's the Bowling Green Car park - not the Newtonsmith site that is being suggested. There is far more room in Bowling Green area for vechicle's to manouver than at St Nicholas Church.

    Re Dock's Site - is this land in public or private ownership? Reason for suggesting Bowling Green Car park is that the City Council own it.

    Is the Bowling Green one not the same as the Newtownsmith one? It borders both. It is council owned.

    The only other one nearby is the one next to the Connacht Tribune (granted it backs onto Bowling Green, but with no vehicular or pedestrian access), but isn't that privately owned? At least it was until recently.


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    what_traffic
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    churchview wrote: »
    Is the Bowling Green one not the same as the Newtownsmith one? It borders both. It is council owned.

    The only other one nearby is the one next to the Connacht Tribune (granted it backs onto Bowling Green, but with no vehicular or pedestrian access), but isn't that privately owned? At least it was until recently.

    Your right.
    Doh - I am wrong here I thought the Bowling Green car park was that opposite St Nicholas Church and the Newtownsmith car park was that opposite the Mercy Girls Secondary School. Realise now that the car park opposite St Nicholas Church on Market St is privately owned.

    @Mrs OBumble I agree regarding Woodquay - would be a good location for a market - as you pointed vechicular access would be more suitable here.


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    antoobrien
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    inisboffin wrote: »
    It would have to be stuff on the stalls that is not sold in the shops. Otherwise there's be many objections. And Shop St is a good bit narrower imo. Half the character of Moore St was the semi-illegality of it for years, along with the odd bit of contraband at certain times of the year. Can't see it working here on Shop St tbh, just like it wouldn't have worked to the same extent on Grafton St (both more strolly/touristy streets than frantic powershop streets).

    It's not that much narrower, but I agree I don't think it would work. I don't see the attraction of these types of markets anyways, I remember being dragged down market st on a saturday morning until I was old enough to go hurling training, 'nuff said.


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    thesandeman
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    Bit off topic but apparently the Woodquay market is coming back for the Saturday of the Sea Festival.


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    Night Falls
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    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    Disagree I'm afraid. All the classic city centre markets that I can think of (Munich etc) are associated in some way with a pedestrian area or vehicle restricted zone.

    The docks is separated from the rest of the city by two hostile - two lane - one way streets.

    The whole idea of a market is that it is a place people can stroll around. I don't think the docks ticks those boxes.

    Also, I'm pretty sure that land is privately owned (although it may have been NAMAfied, I'm not sure).


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    Greaney
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    I don't know if ye've noticed but Eyre Square (outside Supermacs), has a market, folk who had bought permits stopped using it so the traders with tacking (and tat!:o) started making their stalls bigger. Original pitches were tiny, you can see them painted on the ground still I think. It was mostly hippy jewelery sellers in the late 80's but they drifted off and I don't know what happened to their permits (issued by the local authority).


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    ben.schlomo
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    Greaney wrote: »
    I don't know if ye've noticed but Eyre Square (outside Supermacs), has a market, folk who had bought permits stopped using it so the traders with tacking (and tat!:o) started making their stalls bigger. Original pitches were tiny, you can see them painted on the ground still I think. It was mostly hippy jewelery sellers in the late 80's but they drifted off and I don't know what happened to their permits (issued by the local authority).

    No it has stalls, anything but a market.


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    Mrs OBumble
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    ben.schlomo wrote: »
    No it has stalls, anything but a market.

    Ahh, what is a market if not an area with stalls in it?


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    ben.schlomo
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Ahh, what is a market if not an area with stalls in it?

    I must have higher expectations of a market than two stalls selling knock-off tat, more power to you if its your cuppa tae.


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    antoobrien
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    ben.schlomo wrote: »
    I must have higher expectations of a market than two stalls selling knock-off tat, more power to you if its your cuppa tae.

    There are many definitions of the word market available, so I'll pick what looks like the most appropriate:

    an open place or a building where buyers and sellers convene for the sale of goods


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    ben.schlomo
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    antoobrien wrote: »
    There are many definitions of the word market available, so I'll pick what looks like the most appropriate:

    an open place or a building where buyers and sellers convene for the sale of goods

    And i'll use this as my example of what a market is and should be.

    http://www.milkmarketlimerick.ie/


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    Mrs OBumble
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    So kinda like this, then:


    http://www.galwaymarket.com/


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