Cork GAA Discussion Thread

lukin · 04-03-2013 1:12pm

Randy Watson wrote: »

He is part of an 8 man horse racing syndicate that had a win recently. Is this what you are referring to?

Didn't hear anying about a lotto win.

As for him saying that it's 'more important then winning with Cork' have you a link for these quotes made by Counihan?

I would be very surprised if he did say that! I mean he did say it right?

Yes that is correct, Conor is part of a syndicate that own's a horse so maybe that's what the guy who posted was talking about but I would be very surprised if he said what is being attributed to him by the poster.
If he did then I would say he said it in jest.

randd1 · 04-03-2013 10:02pm

Cant understand how some Cork lads can have a go at Counihan so much as they do.

The amount of stiff his won with ye, and the level he's had ye playing at as well (ie constantly one of the top 3 favourites for the AI) over the last few years has been brilliant.

You'd do well to remember how well you were getting on prior to when he came along before ye start level such criticism at him, ye weren't exactly pulling up trees.

In fact, weren't Cork in danger of relegation due to the strikes when he took over? And since then he's led Cork to three national leagues, three Munsters and an AI, as well establishing them as genuine title contenders every year.

Honestly, you just can't please some people.

Treble20 · 04-03-2013 10:08pm

lala88 wrote: »

Things arent going well at the moment but we have a new manager and a lot of new players and they both need time. Unlike in Cork we dont see the need to run off on strike and blame everyone else when things so bad ye should tryy it sometime

Your the 1 that keeps bringing up about blaming the county board and strikes! If you have an agenda with a poster on here with that topic deal with him rather than trying to personally tar every Cork supporter as anti Cork County board.

Treble20 · 04-03-2013 10:14pm

Chill.ie Insurance group have been announced as the new sponsor of the Cork GAA teams. Might have taken a while to get a sponsor on board but the deal is done now and hopefully the team will be kitted out in their new gear in time for the double header in Pairc Ui Rinn on March 16th.

lala88 · 04-03-2013 10:32pm

Treble20 wrote: »

Your the 1 that keeps bringing up about blaming the county board and strikes! If you have an agenda with a poster on here with that topic deal with him rather than trying to personally tar every Cork supporter as anti Cork County board.

What are you on about? Its the Cork people who are blaming the county board, said it was the reason for the strikes.

Its funny Cork people blame the county board (or anyone else they can) for Corks short comings in hurling because of not investing in underage teams, yet they have had plenty of underage success in football yet still point the finger as someone else for the footballers short comings

Straight Talker · 04-03-2013 10:36pm

lala88 wrote: »

What are you on about? Its the Cork people who are blaming the county board, said it was the reason for the strikes.

Its funny Cork people blame the county board (or anyone else they can) for Corks short comings in hurling because of not investing in underage teams, yet they have had plenty of underage success in football yet still point the finger as someone else for the footballers short comings

I don't know why im talking to a wum but two ****ing u21 football all irelands since 1994 and no minor football all ireland since 2000 is hardly that great a record.:rolleyes: The county board were too busy plotting against the hurlers anyway to worry about the football.

Straight Talker · 04-03-2013 10:38pm

Amprodude wrote: »

Christ.......:rolleyes:

My sentiments as well.Can LaLa88 be blocked from posting on this thread?

Straight Talker · 04-03-2013 10:42pm

randd1 wrote: »

Cant understand how some Cork lads can have a go at Counihan so much as they do.

The amount of stiff his won with ye, and the level he's had ye playing at as well (ie constantly one of the top 3 favourites for the AI) over the last few years has been brilliant.

You'd do well to remember how well you were getting on prior to when he came along before ye start level such criticism at him, ye weren't exactly pulling up trees.

In fact, weren't Cork in danger of relegation due to the strikes when he took over? And since then he's led Cork to three national leagues, three Munsters and an AI, as well establishing them as genuine title contenders every year.

Honestly, you just can't please some people.

Conor Counihan has consistently failed to deal with teams that implement the blanket defence.This is a very talented Cork team and Counihan has failed to get the best out of them.I might take what a Kilkenny man say's about football more seriously if yere football team didn't pack their bags and head off to england to try and win some matches.:D

lala88 · 04-03-2013 10:43pm

Straight Talker wrote: »

I don't know why im talking to a wum but two ****ing u21 football all irelands since 1994 and no minor football all ireland since 2000 is hardly that great a record.:rolleyes:The county board were too busy plotting against the hurlers anyway to worry about the football.

4 Munster minor titles since 2000 and won 2000 All Ireland played in the 2010 All Ireland final. Won 8 Munster under 21 titles since 2000 won 2 All Irelands and lost on final. Seems like a fairly good record to me but sure we'll just ignore that as it wont if into your theory of blaming everyone else.

Yes it was the county board who were plotting against the poor old hurlers....

Treble20 · 04-03-2013 10:55pm

FFS this is getting beyond a fu**ing joke! As a Cork fan I come on here to discuss Cork GAA topics but lala88's obsession with strikes and the County board is getting out of hand. I've sent a PM to a mod in the hope that something will be done to stop the trolling and let proper GAA supporters on here discuss Cork GAA topics.

ShamoBuc · 04-03-2013 10:55pm

Straight Talker wrote: »

My sentiments as well.Can LaLa88 be blocked from posting on this thread?

I have him on ignore but people keep quoting him:rolleyes:....how annoying.

Thinkstoomuch · 04-03-2013 10:57pm

randd1 wrote: »

Cant understand how some Cork lads can have a go at Counihan so much as they do.

The amount of stiff his won with ye, and the level he's had ye playing at as well (ie constantly one of the top 3 favourites for the AI) over the last few years has been brilliant.

You'd do well to remember how well you were getting on prior to when he came along before ye start level such criticism at him, ye weren't exactly pulling up trees.

In fact, weren't Cork in danger of relegation due to the strikes when he took over? And since then he's led Cork to three national leagues, three Munsters and an AI, as well establishing them as genuine title contenders every year.

Honestly, you just can't please some people.[/Quote
Sum people have expressed concern about he's commitment to Cork.
I dont doubt for one minute that he lives for Cork Football.Commitment has never been the issue for me.He's brother sadly died in 2010 shortly before the All Ireland final.Lesser men would have walked away.He remained strong for the All Ireland fan.I could not question he's commitment and drive as a player or manager to Cork.
I question he's tactical nous and taking Cork to the next level.They are entirely different concerns.He felt their was more in Cork in 2010,he asked for another term he got it.Fair enough.
The fact is now after this year's term ended he have not taken Cork further,their is a staleness in Cork and a new manager was needed.
Cork defensive under CC was superb in 2010 keeping 14 clean sheets that year.We won an ireland.
Dublin and Donegal now defend to the same level,but there score way more.Cork have become too conserative under CC and have no attacking threat at all bar on paper.Thats my issue.
Pat gilroy proves a good point to me.Like CC he took dublin over and built them up from nothing.He won the All Ireland.
He has said that when Dublin were beaten last year he felt there was a staleness in them.Time for change.He felt there was more in Dublin but he was not the man to bring that.He realised that early morning training sessions were not going to be enough any more,Dublin needed a new voice.
Gilroy was a super manager but he realised when to go.If he wanted another term he would of got it.

Winning 4 league titles is all well and good but All irelands are the difference between remembered as the great underachievers or a great team.
Try telling Brian Cody winning one All ireland was okay in 2000 or Sir Alex,one League was okay.
Who will be more remembered Tyrone winning 3 All Ireland or Kerry with 5 in the 00S or Cork 1 All Ireland,but 4 league titles.The fact is if the talent was not there fair enough,but Cork have the best young talent we ever had.
CC does have a part in a racehorse,Farells Fancy,next Tuesday he is running in a handicap chase.I wish him the best with that.He is not the first Manager to be involved in Horse racing.JBM was part of a syndicate that owned a racehorse that won the Galway Plate.

Treble20 · 04-03-2013 10:58pm

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I have him on ignore but people keep quoting him:rolleyes:....how annoying.

Well let's all go down that route so is the best way to deal with it seen other options don't seem to be available.

lala88 · 04-03-2013 11:00pm

Treble20 wrote: »

FFS this is getting beyond a fu**ing joke! As a Cork fan I come on here to discuss Cork GAA topics but lala88's obsession with strikes and the County board is getting out of hand. I've sent a PM to a mod in the hope that something will be done to stop the trolling and let proper GAA supporters on here discuss Cork GAA topics.

Like i said it the Cork people who going on blaming the county board not me! People are saying the Cork county board invest nothing in underage teams iv shown thats not the case as Cork underage teams have had success yet when that is shown posters chose to ignore that.

Treble20 · 04-03-2013 11:01pm

Straight Talker wrote: »

I don't know why im talking to a wum but two ****ing u21 football all irelands since 1994 and no minor football all ireland since 2000 is hardly that great a record.:rolleyes: The county board were too busy plotting against the hurlers anyway to worry about the football.

Just add to your ignore list mo chara,he's not worth replying to with his nonsense.

zetecescort · 04-03-2013 11:01pm

OK, just to drive this on, next weekend looks very tough. Tyrone were really up for Donegal and were impressive. a few good, young players after coming into their side while guys like Stephen O'Neill and Sean Cavanagh in fine form.

lala88 · 04-03-2013 11:03pm

Treble20 wrote: »

Just add to your ignore list mo chara,he's not worth replying to with his nonsense.

So facing the true is called nonsence in Cork cant say im surprised at that one

randd1 · 04-03-2013 11:06pm

Straight Talker wrote: »

Conor Counihan has consistently failed to deal with teams that implement the blanket defence.This is a very talented Cork team and Counihan has failed to get the best out of them.I might take what a Kilkenny man say's about football more seriously if yere football team didn't pack their bags and head off to england to try and win some matches.:D

Again, what did they win in the few years before he came along? And just to point out, a better Kerry side didn't exactly learn to cope with blanket defense either, they always seemed to come up short against teams that applied it in the bigger games.

Counihan has one 4 of the 14 national titles that Cork have won, including their first AI 20 years. And he's claimed 3 Munsters to boot.

Yea, you're right, he's clearly not got the bet out of his players at all, sure we all know they should be going for 4/5/6 AI's in a row the players are so good, its all his fault they're not.

I may be a Kilkenny man talking about football, but at least I know when to appreciate a good man and the work he's done for his county. I'm not at all saying Counihan is infallible, I'm just saying he doesn't deserve the flak he gets off of some lads considering the success he's brought to Cork and the level he's had them playing at.

Treble20 · 04-03-2013 11:06pm

zetecescort wrote: »

OK, just to drive this on, next weekend looks very tough. Tyrone were really up for Donegal and were impressive. a few good, young players after coming into their side while guys like Stephen O'Neill and Sean Cavanagh in fine form.

Very tough battle ahead for Cork next Sunday in Omagh. Tyrone look really determined this year and judging by yesterday Cork need to up their game big time to have any chance of defeating Tyrone. A defeat here will certainly end any chances of defending our National League crown. I think at this stage most Cork fans will be happy with survival in Division 1 but I'd like to see the team make some major improvements over the next few games.

Thinkstoomuch · 04-03-2013 11:16pm

zetecescort wrote: »

OK, just to drive this on, next weekend looks very tough. Tyrone were really up for Donegal and were impressive. a few good, young players after coming into their side while guys like Stephen O'Neill and Sean Cavanagh in fine form.

Tyrone will be very hard to beat.What was very intersting was Mickey Hartes Interview.Donegal had a built up a winning run against tyrone the last few games.He said it was vital to stop that run as if you can't beat them in the league you have no hope in the Championship.
CC i hope took note.Not for even staying up but Donegal have now won their last 2 games with Cork.In a few weeks it is vital cork win.
Same with Kerry,Cork have not beat them since 95 in Kerry in Munster,we got to beat them in a few weeks for the mentality at the very least.

zetecescort · 04-03-2013 11:18pm

Treble20 wrote: »

Very tough battle ahead for Cork next Sunday in Omagh. Tyrone look really determined this year and judging by yesterday Cork need to up their game big time to have any chance of defeating Tyrone. A defeat here will certainly end any chances of defending our National League crown. I think at this stage most Cork fans will be happy with survival in Division 1 but I'd like to see the team make some major improvements over the next few games.[/QUOTE]

This for me is why CC gets criticised. the last few yrs we have struggled with the way teams play against us with no sign of a new gameplan from us.

Not saying its a cure-all but surely the aim is to move the ball fast before the oppostion gets numbers behind the ball but we are soloing and holding the ball around midfield going nowhere while the likes of Colm O'Neill is inside making runs and not getting the ball untill there are 2 or 3 back around him.

Amprodude · 04-03-2013 11:20pm

Treble20 wrote: »

Very tough battle ahead for Cork next Sunday in Omagh. Tyrone look really determined this year and judging by yesterday Cork need to up their game big time to have any chance of defeating Tyrone. A defeat here will certainly end any chances of defending our National League crown. I think at this stage most Cork fans will be happy with survival in Division 1 but I'd like to see the team make some major improvements over the next few games.

You are correct. To beat Tyrone in Omagh we need to be on top of our game. Hard for us to get a win there but we might get a lucky goal or two

Thinkstoomuch · 04-03-2013 11:29pm

randd1 wrote: »

Again, what did they win in the few years before he came along? And just to point out, a better Kerry side didn't exactly learn to cope with blanket defense either, they always seemed to come up short against teams that applied it in the bigger games.

Counihan has one 4 of the 14 national titles that Cork have won, including their first AI 20 years. And he's claimed 3 Munsters to boot.

Yea, you're right, he's clearly not got the bet out of his players at all, sure we all know they should be going for 4/5/6 AI's in a row the players are so good, its all his fault they're not.

I may be a Kilkenny man talking about football, but at least I know when to appreciate a good man and the work he's done for his county. I'm not at all saying Counihan is infallible, I'm just saying he doesn't deserve the flak he gets off of some lads considering the success he's brought to Cork and the level he's had them playing at.

you make valid points,he has done great work but he done nothing the last 2 years and by 2015 we could still be in the same boat.
One All Ireland doesnt make him immune from critsicm.In other sports far more succesful managers have been sacked with less time.
If Cody had not won in 2011 Kilkenny would have asked questions of him.Dont think it woudnt happen.Kilkenny are great cause they are greedy and selfish,they want it all.I wish Cork were the same.Cork attuide is we have no given right to be winning all irelands every year.It comes in Cycles.That is complete rubbish.
CC has had plenty of time to take Cork to the next level.
With all the munsters we won we never beat Kerry in Killarney or the Championship after countless times.There comes a time enough is enough.

Thinkstoomuch · 04-03-2013 11:36pm

zetecescort wrote: »

Treble20 wrote: »

Very tough battle ahead for Cork next Sunday in Omagh. Tyrone look really determined this year and judging by yesterday Cork need to up their game big time to have any chance of defeating Tyrone. A defeat here will certainly end any chances of defending our National League crown. I think at this stage most Cork fans will be happy with survival in Division 1 but I'd like to see the team make some major improvements over the next few games.[/QUOTE]

This for me is why CC gets criticised. the last few yrs we have struggled with the way teams play against us with no sign of a new gameplan from us.

Not saying its a cure-all but surely the aim is to move the ball fast before the oppostion gets numbers behind the ball but we are soloing and holding the ball around midfield going nowhere while the likes of Colm O'Neill is inside making runs and not getting the ball untill there are 2 or 3 back around him.

thats exactly it.What often goes unnoticed with Donegal for example is all of their defenders are excellent kickpassers.

ShamoBuc · 04-03-2013 11:36pm

randd1 wrote: »

Again, what did they win in the few years before he came along? And just to point out, a better Kerry side didn't exactly learn to cope with blanket defense either, they always seemed to come up short against teams that applied it in the bigger games.

Counihan has one 4 of the 14 national titles that Cork have won, including their first AI 20 years. And he's claimed 3 Munsters to boot.

Yea, you're right, he's clearly not got the bet out of his players at all, sure we all know they should be going for 4/5/6 AI's in a row the players are so good, its all his fault they're not.

I may be a Kilkenny man talking about football, but at least I know when to appreciate a good man and the work he's done for his county. I'm not at all saying Counihan is infallible, I'm just saying he doesn't deserve the flak he gets off of some lads considering the success he's brought to Cork and the level he's had them playing at.

Cork rarely produce a team like the one we have now. The last time was the 87-90 team when they got to 4 finals in a row, winning 2 and blatantly robbed of another one by that ( insert suitable word) Sugrue - with no back door.
This team have underachieved, plain and simple. The tactics Counihan employs are not getting the best out of their potential - and never will.
I severely doubt if Cork will win Sam in the next 2 years. When the pressure comes on - Counihan shows his tactical ineptitude, time and time again - and has cost us in the past and will cost us again in the future.

Yes we have won 5 national titles in recent years - Sam, 3 Div 1 titles and 1 Div2, but I look back at the 87-90 team who I think deserved more than 2 All Irelands and I fear I will look back in years to come and say this team deserved more than 1. I blame Tommy for one and I will blame Counihan for the other.
I hope he proves me wrong, but I doubt it.

Amprodude · 04-03-2013 11:43pm

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

With all the munsters we won we never beat Kerry in Killarney or the Championship after countless times.There comes a time enough is enough.

Fact. We arent going to beat Kerry in anything with CC in charge. He did ok as a manager but Cork left the 2009 AI after them because Cork didnt have the bottle or belief to beat an average Kerry side that year. We nearly lost 2010 as well to Down who havent been seen since. CC call it a day and give someone else a chance.

Thinkstoomuch · 04-03-2013 11:52pm

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Cork rarely produce a team like the one we have now. The last time was the 87-90 team when they got to 4 finals in a row, winning 2 and blatantly robbed of another one by that ( insert suitable word) Sugrue - with no back door.
This team have underachieved, plain and simple. The tactics Counihan employs are not getting the best out of their potential - and never will.
I severely doubt if Cork will win Sam in the next 2 years. When the pressure comes on - Counihan shows his tactical ineptitude, time and time again - and has cost us in the past and will cost us again in the future.

Yes we have won 5 national titles in recent years - Sam, 3 Div 1 titles and 1 Div2, but I look back at the 87-90 team who I think deserved more than 2 All Irelands and I fear I will look back in years to come and say this team deserved more than 1. I blame Tommy for one and I will blame Counihan for the other.
I hope he proves me wrong, but I doubt it.

the 87-90 would have consistenly beat kerry,4 years in a row.Thats a good point you made cause even with Morgans Success the board shafted him in the end.
That record is much better than CC.
League titles are water of a ducks back as far im concerned.Winning one is vital for a team starved of success to build confidence (in the context of the hurlers it would be well worth winning)but winning 3 and 4 in a row and winning just one all ireland is nothing to get carried away with.

Straight Talker · 05-03-2013 12:01am

Treble20 wrote: »

Just add to your ignore list mo chara,he's not worth replying to with his nonsense.

Done!

Straight Talker · 05-03-2013 12:03am

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I have him on ignore but people keep quoting him:rolleyes:....how annoying.

He's on ignore now!

Thinkstoomuch · 05-03-2013 12:03am

Amprodude wrote: »

Fact. We arent going to beat Kerry in anything with CC in charge. He did ok as a manager but Cork left the 2009 AI after them because Cork didnt have the bottle or belief to beat an average Kerry side that year. We nearly lost 2010 as well to Down who havent been seen since. CC call it a day and give someone else a chance.

When morgan was in charge we were never overawed in the 87-90 era,Cork expected to beat kerry.Players and fans alike expected it.
Morgan had kerrys number.
Any kerry team no matter how poor their are will always fancy to beat cork,espiceally in Killarney,as they will feel it is a bridge too far for CC.It is more of hope from corks side,their is no belief there.And no matter how poor kerry are or how much change their undertaking with the team,that reason alone will make it very hard for cork to beat them Come championship.

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