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Fiscal Treaty Megathread [Poll Reset]

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    #1472
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Rabidlamb wrote: »
    Here's some straws, would you like to clutch at them.

    The tallies we have even up to now are a much bigger sample than any opinion poll taken to date.
    Around 60% for the Yes side, not even close.

    Seriously? clutching at straws? When I posted my comment, RTE were saying "It is still early days, and these first tallies need to be treated with considerable caution."


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    #1473
    srsly78
    Registered Users Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    It's pretty funny, there seemed to be lots of brand new posters popping up just to rage about the treaty and vote no in the poll. Lots of multiple accounts and reregs too I bet. Why bother!? The boards poll isn't the real one :confused:

    Oh, I was a genuine abstain in the real poll.


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    #1474
    Mance Rayder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Mance Rayder


    From RTE " Socialist Party TD Joe Higgins has said that the Yes tallies in certain areas seem to him to be resentful Yes votes, and he said this could spell trouble for the Government down the road."

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0601/fiscal-treaty-referendum-count-to-begin.html

    How on Earth is he coming to this conclusion? I must not of seen the vote yes resentfully box on the ballot paper.


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    #1475
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,834 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Don't question Joe Higgins, he's the man of da people and knows what we think better than we do.


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    #1476
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    A crushing defeat for the No side it looks like. Hardly surprising though.


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    #1477
    Toby Take a Bow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    CiscoStudent wrote: »
    From RTE " Socialist Party TD Joe Higgins has said that the Yes tallies in certain areas seem to him to be resentful Yes votes, and he said this could spell trouble for the Government down the road."

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0601/fiscal-treaty-referendum-count-to-begin.html

    How on Earth is he coming to this conclusion? I must not of seen the vote yes resentfully box on the ballot paper.

    Well, I guess you could argue that a large minority of yes voters are not supporters of the government (if it hits 55-60% and the support for government is significantly less than this).

    Bad choice of words from Joe, though.


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    #1478
    DoesNotCompute
    Registered Users Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    Postal Votes from Defences Forces, Diplomats, civil servants posted abroad, etc:
    RTE Live Referendum Tracker wrote:
    1036 Ciaran Mullooly: Postal votes from Kildare suggest 80/20 Yes vote - Majority of these votes would apparently be members of Defence Forces.


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    #1479
    DoesNotCompute
    Registered Users Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    Joe Higgins, talking about major tools. Pot, Kettle, Black? :P
    RTE Referendum Tracker wrote:
    1042 Joe Higgins has said this has been one of the most shameful campaigns, with fear as a major tool of the Government.

    He said the right questions were not asked. He said no-one asked why we would actually need the funds from the European Stability Mechanism.


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    #1480
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    DoesNotCompute wrote: »
    Joe Higgins, talking about major tools. Pot, Kettle, Black? :P
    RTE Referendum Tracker wrote:
    1042 Joe Higgins has said this has been one of the most shameful campaigns, with fear as a major tool of the Government.

    He said the right questions were not asked. He said no-one asked why we would actually need the funds from the European Stability Mechanism.

    I voted for Joe Higgins in the European elections a few years back bit this is more than a little rich. The ULA spent much of the campaign raising such issues as the household charge, water rates and other issues unrelated to the treaty. Neither side covered themselves with glory during this campaign.


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    #1481
    srsly78
    Registered Users Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    Does Joe not know we need to borrow funds to pay for all his unionised buddies?


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    #1482
    Battered Mars Bar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Battered Mars Bar


    Can't wait to see the smug face on Enda :rolleyes: "The people have spoken and have given a strong mandate for Europe and confidence to the jobs market for inward investments from large multinationals blah blah blah"

    In other news, 300 jobs loses today followed by Phil Hogan bellowing some shi*te about septic tank charges and property tax and perhaps a new joint initiative by Burton & Bruton for halfing the minimum wage so more people can be employed whilst no mention of getting rid of their own cronies taking advantage of rent supplements etc, same ol' same ol'. :rolleyes:


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    #1483
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,834 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

    In other news, 300 jobs loses today

    You must have missed the hundreds of job announcements that have been announced every day this week.


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    #1484
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Battered Mars Bar wrote: »
    In other news, 300 jobs loses today followed by Phil Hogan bellowing some shi*te about septic tank charges and property tax and perhaps a new joint initiative by Burton & Bruton for halfing the minimum wage so more people can be employed whilst no mention of getting rid of their own cronies taking advantage of rent supplements etc, same ol' same ol'. :rolleyes:
    Would this news have been different if there was a No vote? :confused:


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    #1485
    Battered Mars Bar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Battered Mars Bar


    dvpower wrote: »
    Would this news have been different if there was a No vote? :confused:

    No! Typical response...nothing to do with the treaty just a description of these clowns and the country in general. :pac:


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    #1486
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users Posts: 43,024 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    You must have missed the hundreds of job announcements that have been announced every day this week.

    http://www.insolvencyjournal.ie/notices_categories.aspx?NewsCatID=cd85bfb9-7e0f-4112-a609-68c3f05d0e15

    About 5 companys a day going bang

    x10 staff in each company


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    #1487
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Yes by rural and middle class urban voters, the people who probably need the ESM most of all voted no...


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    #1488
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    Min wrote: »
    the people who probably need the ESM most of all voted no...

    Who can afford the ESM exactly? Do you not realise there's F'ing no actual way this country can afford another ''bail-out''?


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    #1489
    andrewdeerpark
    Registered Users Posts: 951 ✭✭✭andrewdeerpark


    Min wrote: »
    Yes by rural and middle class urban voters, the people who probably need the ESM most of all voted no...

    Correct and right, the Entitlement merchants and welfare freeloaders that have no appreciation of the deluxe social floor that is under them. Only know to moan and are never happy.


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    #1490
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    squod wrote: »
    Who can afford the ESM exactly? Do you not realise there's F'ing no actual way this country can afford another ''bail-out''?

    You do know that sometimes governments borrow money when they have other money or bonds paid back?

    Do you think it would make sense to borrow at lets say 7% or 8% or higher when we will now have access to the ESM at much lower rates and so actually save the country and the taxpayer some money.


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    #1491
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,834 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    http://www.insolvencyjournal.ie/notices_categories.aspx?NewsCatID=cd85bfb9-7e0f-4112-a609-68c3f05d0e15

    About 5 companys a day going bang

    x10 staff in each company

    I'll see your insolvency journal and raise you the Irish National Organisation of the Unemployed reports, this is for May alone, a month I think where the live register remained stable ?
    From http://www.inou.ie/jobannouncements/

    Job Announcements May 2012
    Date Company Location No. of Jobs Additional Information
    30th May Qualvu Inc Dublin 15 Web based research jobs
    30th May Van Tibolli Beauty Corp Dublin 25 Customer support and marketing jobs
    30th May Aasonn Dublin 30 European Headquarters in Dublin
    30th May Red 5 Studios Cork 30 European Headquarters in Cork
    29th May IDG Connect Dublin 125 125 jobs for Dublin city centre
    28th May Amazon Dublin 100 Amazon to create 100 jobs
    28th May BuyersClub.ie Dublin 40 Shopping website creates 40 jobs
    28th May Action Point Limerick 50 50 new techology jobs
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    24th May Intergeo Services Carlow 30 Enviromental firm to create 30 jobs
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    23rd May Smartbox Dublin 70 Gift voucher company to create jobs
    21st May Jamie Oliver Restaurant Dublin 75 Jobs to be created in the Autumn
    17th May Merit Medical Galway 200 Medical devices firm to create 200 jobs
    16th May Rehab Countrywide 400 Rehab to create 400 jobs in Ireland
    15th May Laya Healthcare Cork 100 Over the next 3 years
    9th May CashIQ Dublin 45 45 new jobs for Dublin
    9th May ZDMI Limerick 35 ZDMI to create 35 jobs
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    2nd May Athlone Trade Centre Athlone Unknown Trade centre gets planning permission


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    #1492
    Battered Mars Bar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Battered Mars Bar


    andrewdeerpark wrote: »
    Correct and right, the Entitlement merchants and welfare freeloaders that have no appreciation of the deluxe social floor that is under them. Only know to moan and are never happy.

    Because they're likely to vote alright :rolleyes:

    Divide & Conquer works I see, we'll see soon enough when the crux of the treaty comes to fruition. :rolleyes:


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    #1493
    batistuta9
    Registered Users Posts: 8,088 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    I'll see your insolvency journal and raise you the Irish National Organisation of the Unemployed reports, this is for May alone, a month I think where the live register remained stable ?
    From http://www.inou.ie/jobannouncements/

    Job Announcements May 2012
    Date Company Location No. of Jobs Additional Information
    30th May Qualvu Inc Dublin 15 Web based research jobs
    30th May Van Tibolli Beauty Corp Dublin 25 Customer support and marketing jobs
    30th May Aasonn Dublin 30 European Headquarters in Dublin
    30th May Red 5 Studios Cork 30 European Headquarters in Cork
    29th May IDG Connect Dublin 125 125 jobs for Dublin city centre
    28th May Amazon Dublin 100 Amazon to create 100 jobs
    28th May BuyersClub.ie Dublin 40 Shopping website creates 40 jobs
    28th May Action Point Limerick 50 50 new techology jobs
    25th May Seafood companies Countrywide 140 21 companies will generate new jobs
    24th May Intergeo Services Carlow 30 Enviromental firm to create 30 jobs
    23rd May Dawn Meats Waterford 65 Dawn meats to create 65 jobs
    23rd May Smartbox Dublin 70 Gift voucher company to create jobs
    21st May Jamie Oliver Restaurant Dublin 75 Jobs to be created in the Autumn
    17th May Merit Medical Galway 200 Medical devices firm to create 200 jobs
    16th May Rehab Countrywide 400 Rehab to create 400 jobs in Ireland
    15th May Laya Healthcare Cork 100 Over the next 3 years
    9th May CashIQ Dublin 45 45 new jobs for Dublin
    9th May ZDMI Limerick 35 ZDMI to create 35 jobs
    8th May Total Defense Dublin 100 100 Dublin jobs to be created
    4th May Cylon Dublin 50 The jobs are to be created over 4 years
    3rd May Penthouse Casino Dublin 50 jobs-penthouse@kairointernational.com
    3rd May SAP Dublin / Galway 250 Jobs to be created in Dublin / Galway
    2nd May Sentenial Maynooth 35 35 software jobs to be created
    2nd May Athlone Trade Centre Athlone Unknown Trade centre gets planning permission

    the majority of jobs that are being announced for the country are for computing, that won't solve the unemployment in ireland

    there are plenty of computing based jobs at the minute yet no one to fill them


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    #1494
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Battered Mars Bar wrote: »
    Because they're likely to vote alright :rolleyes:

    Divide & Conquer works I see, we'll see soon enough when the crux of the treaty comes to fruition. :rolleyes:

    Yeah, borrowing €20.5 billion to pay for social welfare payments at cheaper interest rates because the bond markets still want to charge too much interest...


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    #1495
    Battered Mars Bar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Battered Mars Bar


    Min wrote: »
    Yeah, borrowing €20.5 billion to pay for social welfare payments at cheaper interest rates because the bond markets still want to charge too much interest...

    :rolleyes: Dear oh dear.


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    #1496
    danniemcq
    Registered Users Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    Ok so really quick question

    IF the Euro tanks and breaks up will this treaty still be in effect or is it a from now on no matter what happens we are gonna have this?


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    #1497
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    batistuta9 wrote: »
    the majority of jobs that are being announced for the country are for computing, that won't solve the unemployment in ireland

    there are plenty of computing based jobs at the minute yet no one to fill them

    That is due to 1 in 5 people being involved in an unsustainable construction sector before that sector crashed and burned.

    People should now be getting an education for where the jobs are, it was not in construction.


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    #1498
    goat2
    Registered Users Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    it is what it is, looks like the yes votes are ahead overall, as far as i am concerned. just hope for the best,


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    #1499
    andrewdeerpark
    Registered Users Posts: 951 ✭✭✭andrewdeerpark


    Battered Mars Bar wrote: »
    Because they're likely to vote alright :rolleyes:

    Divide & Conquer works I see, we'll see soon enough when the crux of the treaty comes to fruition. :rolleyes:

    I have no doubt we will be voting on Eurobonds in a years time anyway, this is just a step on that road. I fairness passing this treaty gives the Germans less excuses not to go with Eurobonds and collectivized debt.


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    #1500
    EURATS
    Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    Min wrote: »
    squod wrote: »
    Who can afford the ESM exactly? Do you not realise there's F'ing no actual way this country can afford another ''bail-out''?

    You do know that sometimes governments borrow money when they have other money or bonds paid back?

    Do you think it would make sense to borrow at lets say 7% or 8% or higher when we will now have access to the ESM at much lower rates and so actually save the country and the taxpayer some money.


    Is interesting to see that the areas that voted YES ..are the same people who owe out their bollöx on mortgages etc and who overspent during the boom. Is obvious enough that they will need more money to keep it going. Hope the ESM fund actually materialises for them!!


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    #1501
    andrewdeerpark
    Registered Users Posts: 951 ✭✭✭andrewdeerpark


    EURATS wrote: »
    Is interesting to see that the areas that voted YES ..are the same people who owe out their bollöx on mortgages etc and who overspent during the boom. Is obvious enough that they will need more money to keep it going. Hope the ESM fund actually materialises for them!!

    Also obvious that no one wants the default and devalue PUNT option. As we all know having a wheelbarrow of useless money is not the solution either.


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