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Biggest pitfalls for Irish people in Canada

  • 19-02-2012 1:36pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭


    I don't know why there is a thread about applying for the IEC visa with 800+ replies. The visa is easy to get and they won't run out till November - guarenteed. Filling out the forms is merely a formality. You should be most concerned about finding a job in Canada. So I've decided to impart some wisdom to those planning to make the leap soon.

    1. Don't get on a plane if you don't have a lead to follow on a job.
    A lot of recent college graduates get bored on the dole in Ireland and decide to come to Canada to try their luck, with zero experience in their field and no job offers. Bad idea. Use the internet to set up interviews before you even arrive in Canada. Ring companies ahead to enquire. Network to see if a mate's mate can get your foot in the door. I hear too many people say "I'll look for work when I get over there". Famous last words.

    2. Stay away from Toronto and Vancouver.
    You would swear there are only two cities in Canada. Toronto and Vancouver are swamped with the Irish. Seeing a GAA jersey head around is a good indicator to get the fu.ck outta there. Great cities to party in if you're on holiday, but there is too much competition for jobs there and it will only get worse coming into the Summer when hundreds of Germans and Brits arrive too (I find the Frenchies and Belgians head for Montreal). Go to the smaller towns. As a general rule, the further North you go, the better chance you have of a landing job.

    3. Get an apartment asap.
    The hostels are fun but you don't want to get caught up in the party lifestyle and then find yourself broke 3 months later still without a job. Use craigslist to find somewhere to live. Rent can be pretty high in the big cities which is another reason to aim for the small towns.

    4. No driver's licence.
    This is related to point 2. If you live in the big cities, great - excellent public transport with underground metros and buses. But the cities are not where the work is. To those who want to work in small town Canada (cos that's where the money is) you're gonna need a car. A bunch of housemates could possible work out a car sharing situation.

    I'll try to think of more later but these are just a few ideas that popped into my head while reading some of the posts on this forum. Couple of job leads for you in the meantime. Feel free to add.
    • http://www.timhortons.com/ca/en/join/team.html Tim Hortons coffee shops are everywhere in Canada. Why not apply? The tips can make it a decent enough wage. Use a fake Canadian address to get your foot in the door. But don't bother applying to the ones in the big cities.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭kiwijbob


    Excellent advice above, especially about everyone heading to van or
    toronto, great places to party and enjoy the 'life' but for work and
    $$$$$... the best opportunities lie in other provinces.... a spirit of
    adventure is required.

    Do bring original motor insurance details for the last 6 years if you
    intend to buy a car and get a licence.... with my insurance details
    i got 2,000 CAD off the quote with Aviva.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,302 ✭✭✭JohnMearsheimer


    I'd agree that people get too caught up in going to Toronto and Vancouver, especially if you're not looking for professional type of work. I was only odd jobbing in Vancouver and didn't get stable employment until I lived out to the sticks in Alberta. Some of the best few months I've ever had were out in the middle of nowhere in Alberta. A lot of people I knew in Vancouver, including some very experienced people, didn't just walk into jobs off the plane. Recent graduates are probably wasting their time in Canada if they have little or no experience in the field they're trying to break into. Of course that doesn't mean you shouldn't give it a go but don't be getting your hopes up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,847 ✭✭✭HavingCrack


    While I get the OP's point living in places like Fort McMurray and the Oil Sands is definately not for everyone-big drug and alcohol abuse problems up there (may have improved in recent years) and freezing cold temperatures, even for Canada.

    Also if you're a graduate I presume you'd be looking for professional type work-hence Toronto, Calgary and Montreal are the places to go. If you want to advance your career northern Canada isn't the place to do it unless you're an engineer or mining specialist etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 350 ✭✭ICANN


    What's Canada like for people heading over alone- is it easy to meet people etc?


  • Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭kiwijbob


    http://www.jobclassified.ca/ might be of interest to some.

    as far as meeting people goes... well it isn't the dark side of the moon, people
    are very friendly generally wherever you go in the country, I have to admit that
    I find they're amazingly friendly in Atlantic Canada. If you're on your own the
    www.meetup.com website has been recommended to me numerous times.
    Opportunities wise there are plenty of other opportunities outside engineering
    or mining specialists although you're off to a good start if thats your gig!! if
    you're corporate stick to corporate cities i guess is the point? as far as the
    weather goes well that seems to be a personal issue, as far as I'm concerned
    it's fine, dress appropriately and you won't ever get cold.:cool:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭jjbrien



    2. Stay away from Toronto and Vancouver.
    You would swear there are only two cities in Canada. Toronto and Vancouver are swamped with the Irish. Seeing a GAA jersey head around is a good indicator to get the fu.ck outta there. Great cities to party in if you're on holiday, but there is too much competition for jobs there and it will only get worse coming into the Summer when hundreds of Germans and Brits arrive too (I find the Frenchies and Belgians head for Montreal). Go to the smaller towns. As a general rule, the further North you go, the better chance you have of a landing job.

    I disagree with this statement. I headed for Toronto and got my dream job now. I heard Vancover is bad. I seen so many Irish here who arrive in Toronto fall into a few pit falls u mentioned. They dont get out of the hostel they are staying in fast..... they stay there and drink their brains out and then wake up the next day too wrecked to be able to go look for work or a place to live so they just keep going around and around in that cycle.


  • Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭Frei


    1. Don't get on a plane if you don't have a lead to follow on a job.
    A lot of recent college graduates get bored on the dole in Ireland and decide to come to Canada to try their luck, with zero experience in their field and no job offers. Bad idea. Use the internet to set up interviews before you even arrive in Canada. Ring companies ahead to enquire. Network to see if a mate's mate can get your foot in the door. I hear too many people say "I'll look for work when I get over there". Famous last words.

    It's not that easy to find a job before you go. Believe me I did try. I came here with no job planned and I was fine. As long as you take what you can get while you get yourself setup there is no problem. Plenty of jobs in shops, hotels, restaurants,etc. You just have to chin up and not be picky. Also, if you have no experience in your career path, and you can't get it in Ireland, what are you supposed to do then? People also take you more seriously when you have a Canadian address and you can meet them face to face. I think this advice has to be taken with a pinch of salt, as it is not feasible for everyone.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39 namrod28


    Frei wrote: »
    It's not that easy to find a job before you go. Believe me I did try. I came here with no job planned and I was fine. As long as you take what you can get while you get yourself setup there is no problem. Plenty of jobs in shops, hotels, restaurants,etc. You just have to chin up and not be picky. Also, if you have no experience in your career path, and you can't get it in Ireland, what are you supposed to do then? People also take you more seriously when you have a Canadian address and you can meet them face to face. I think this advice has to be taken with a pinch of salt, as it is not feasible for everyone.

    Couldn't agree more with you here frei will be making my way out to friends this year myself who have gone out and done the same as you.Everyones experience is different to be honest i certainly wouldnt take everything that the first poster has said as definite.I do agree though to be more prepared before you go.Not talking from experience but from people who i know that have been living n canada and some are residents.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭Yonge Street


    Frei wrote: »
    It's not that easy to find a job before you go. Believe me I did try. I came here with no job planned and I was fine. As long as you take what you can get while you get yourself setup there is no problem. Plenty of jobs in shops, hotels, restaurants,etc. You just have to chin up and not be picky. Also, if you have no experience in your career path, and you can't get it in Ireland, what are you supposed to do then? People also take you more seriously when you have a Canadian address and you can meet them face to face. I think this advice has to be taken with a pinch of salt, as it is not feasible for everyone.

    Fair enough Frei. Glad things worked out for you though. I see you're in Edmonton - good choice of a city with plenty of trade work. The hordes of Irish haven't descended upon there yet. Did you originally fly into Edmonton or did you search for work in Toronto/Vancouver first? Also what's your line of work if you don't mind me asking.

    If any Irish people planning to come over soon have mates or relatives already in Canada, use their address or phone number to apply for jobs. Once you have an interview lined up in Canada, you can walk off the plane in confidence knowing you're not completely stumbling around in the dark.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭Yonge Street


    Also beware that the next batch of the 2012 IEC visas will be coming through in the next few weeks so Toronto and Vancouver will be overrun by Irish for the Summer. It'll be like the 33rd county. Competition will shoot up so that's why you need the edge by having interviews set up before you arrive if possible.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭ciaran67


    Not to mention you need a large slice of luck.


  • Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭Frei


    Fair enough Frei. Glad things worked out for you though. I see you're in Edmonton - good choice of a city with plenty of trade work. The hordes of Irish haven't descended upon there yet. Did you originally fly into Edmonton or did you search for work in Toronto/Vancouver first? Also what's your line of work if you don't mind me asking.

    If any Irish people planning to come over soon have mates or relatives already in Canada, use their address or phone number to apply for jobs. Once you have an interview lined up in Canada, you can walk off the plane in confidence knowing you're not completely stumbling around in the dark.

    I'm a graduate biomedical scientist, yup, I flew straight in to Edmonton. Worked in a ****ty job while I studied for my certification to be allowed to work here as a med lab technologist (as they call it here). Won't know my results for a month so in the mean time thinking of going to Vancouver, now that I am a bit used to living here. Yeah Edmonton is great for the trades, if you are a hard working guy with a driving license there are plenty of jobs around here that will pay well. Pretty much construction going on 24/7.

    I agree about everyone concentrating on Van and Toronto. It really makes no sense when those places are so competitive. But then again I guess another reason is that these places are more vibrant than the other cities. If I had good enough French I would be in Montreal in a shot. Edmonton wouldn't be the most attractive of cities.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭FreeAnd..


    I don't know why there is a thread about applying for the IEC visa with 800+ replies. The visa is easy to get and they won't run out till November - guarenteed. Filling out the forms is merely a formality. You should be most concerned about finding a job in Canada. So I've decided to impart some wisdom to those planning to make the leap soon.

    1. Don't get on a plane if you don't have a lead to follow on a job.
    A lot of recent college graduates get bored on the dole in Ireland and decide to come to Canada to try their luck, with zero experience in their field and no job offers. Bad idea. Use the internet to set up interviews before you even arrive in Canada. Ring companies ahead to enquire. Network to see if a mate's mate can get your foot in the door. I hear too many people say "I'll look for work when I get over there". Famous last words.

    2. Stay away from Toronto and Vancouver.
    You would swear there are only two cities in Canada. Toronto and Vancouver are swamped with the Irish. Seeing a GAA jersey head around is a good indicator to get the fu.ck outta there. Great cities to party in if you're on holiday, but there is too much competition for jobs there and it will only get worse coming into the Summer when hundreds of Germans and Brits arrive too (I find the Frenchies and Belgians head for Montreal). Go to the smaller towns. As a general rule, the further North you go, the better chance you have of a landing job.

    3. Get an apartment asap.
    The hostels are fun but you don't want to get caught up in the party lifestyle and then find yourself broke 3 months later still without a job. Use craigslist to find somewhere to live. Rent can be pretty high in the big cities which is another reason to aim for the small towns.

    4. No driver's licence.
    This is related to point 2. If you live in the big cities, great - excellent public transport with underground metros and buses. But the cities are not where the work is. To those who want to work in small town Canada (cos that's where the money is) you're gonna need a car. A bunch of housemates could possible work out a car sharing situation.

    I'll try to think of more later but these are just a few ideas that popped into my head while reading some of the posts on this forum. Couple of job leads for you in the meantime. Feel free to add.
    • http://www.timhortons.com/ca/en/join/team.html Tim Hortons coffee shops are everywhere in Canada. Why not apply? The tips can make it a decent enough wage. Use a fake Canadian address to get your foot in the door. But don't bother applying to the ones in the big cities.

    To be honest - ignore points 1 & 2 - you will find it very hard to sort a job before you arrive in any location (and thats usually the case everywhere in the world...unless its exremely skilled work on a permanent basis)

    As for Toronto, its a large city and is no way over run with Irish...i've been here 6 months and I have met less than a handful of Irish people (outside of the time we went to McVeighs for the rugby)...probably a different story if you work in construction but I cant comment on that...

    Also, as stated...if living in a city you dont need the extra expense of a car...so why outlay that expense if you dont have work secured?

    100% agree with point 3...just make sure you pick a good location well served by transport

    Also, do people tip on Tim Hortons? They're the Canadian Coffee equvalent of McDonalds :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭DazzlerIE


    Describing Vancouver as overrun with Irish is a bit OTT I think

    Not that many here at all

    Competition for jobs is huge though, I wouldn't be coming here expecting to get a job in your chosen field easily

    I got lucky and got something in mine though (Media) so it is doable


  • Registered Users Posts: 43 Coll79


    Frei wrote: »
    if you are a hard working guy with a driving license there are plenty of jobs around here that will pay well. Pretty much construction going on 24/7

    Are you using an Irish driving license or did you apply and do a test over there.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 402 ✭✭C@non


    ICANN wrote: »
    What's Canada like for people heading over alone- is it easy to meet people etc?

    Just join a course in something you love and you will make friends fast.. but rely only on your self as sometimes.....well 50 % of times people let you down.. its just how they are here.. they change plan at the last moment but you will eventually learn to keep the good people close by!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭jjbrien


    C@non wrote: »
    Just join a course in something you love and you will make friends fast.. but rely only on your self as sometimes.....well 50 % of times people let you down.. its just how they are here.. they change plan at the last moment but you will eventually learn to keep the good people close by!

    im still struggling with this myself hard to keep friends here.... met one guy at my old job here was friends with him and he seemed to back away from me after xmas i dont get some people here sometimes


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭ciaran67


    DazzlerIE wrote: »
    Describing Vancouver as overrun with Irish is a bit OTT I think

    Not that many here at all

    Competition for jobs is huge though, I wouldn't be coming here expecting to get a job in your chosen field easily

    I got lucky and got something in mine though (Media) so it is doable

    What media? Where are you working mate? I used to work for the Vancouver Courier.


  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭DazzlerIE


    ciaran67 wrote: »
    What media? Where are you working mate? I used to work for the Vancouver Courier.

    Just working full-time for a website in the travel industry here looking after their content and SEO, nothing too exciting! Pays the bills really, and that's all you can ask in such an expensive city!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭ciaran67


    DazzlerIE wrote: »
    Just working full-time for a website in the travel industry here looking after their content and SEO, nothing too exciting! Pays the bills really, and that's all you can ask in such an expensive city!

    Funny enough thats what my wife does. She did the same at Elverys in Mayo. Any work jobs going? :D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭DazzlerIE


    ciaran67 wrote: »
    Funny enough thats what my wife does. She did the same at Elverys in Mayo. Any work jobs going? :D

    ha, cool!

    None at the mo unfortunately, it's a pretty small operation, but they did say they were finding it hard to find people with content management experience in Vancouver, so could be some opportunities here for people who have experience in it, and SEO


  • Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭Frei


    Coll79 wrote: »
    Are you using an Irish driving license or did you apply and do a test over there.

    I can't drive at all :) there are a few threads on this forum talking about it though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,952 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    jjbrien wrote: »
    im still struggling with this myself hard to keep friends here.... met one guy at my old job here was friends with him and he seemed to back away from me after xmas i dont get some people here sometimes

    I hear what youre saying. I have found that the majority of canadians are either really dull or really weird.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭beano345


    retalivity wrote: »
    I hear what youre saying. I have found that the majority of canadians are either really dull or really weird.

    and sometimes your own countrymen are the best/worst to you over here,be carefull working for some of them they will try and exploit you


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭ciaran67


    DazzlerIE wrote: »
    ha, cool!

    None at the mo unfortunately, it's a pretty small operation, but they did say they were finding it hard to find people with content management experience in Vancouver, so could be some opportunities here for people who have experience in it, and SEO

    If you hear anything give us a shout Daz. Appreciate it mate.


  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭galwaygal27


    Hoping to get a job in accounting and my other half a job in IT. Fingers crossed.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭supernova84


    Big demand for Irish Workers Western Canada

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0226/jobs.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 77 ✭✭CliodhnaB


    DazzlerIE wrote: »
    Describing Vancouver as overrun with Irish is a bit OTT I think

    Not that many here at all

    Competition for jobs is huge though, I wouldn't be coming here expecting to get a job in your chosen field easily

    I got lucky and got something in mine though (Media) so it is doable


    Couldnt agree with you more.. I dont think there are many Irish here at all.

    The thing is the Irish come over with expectations that they will find a job and a house all in a few days and its really the wrong thing to go by.. Its not easy at all. You cant be picky in finding a job.. And Experience is a must.


  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭RB100


    [QUOTE=DazzlerIE;
    I got lucky and got something in mine though (Media) so it is doable[/QUOTE]


    Haha what are the chances of seeing you in this random thread. Its like Me and you go on to all the same threads cus I've seen you on the fantasy football one and another random one. Weird...

    But I was gonna ask you are the many jobs in Multimedia or jobs in similar field over there cus I'm gonna be doing Creative Design Media next year in college and will prob end up emigrating


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭ciaran67


    RB100 wrote: »
    Haha what are the chances of seeing you in this random thread. Its like Me and you go on to all the same threads cus I've seen you on the fantasy football one and another random one. Weird...

    But I was gonna ask you are the many jobs in Multimedia or jobs in similar field over there cus I'm gonna be doing Creative Design Media next year in college and will prob end up emigrating

    Vancouver is full of unemployed Graphic Designers, like me. They see our age and experience and see dollar signs. Check out craigslist in their media section. Loads of jobs just loads of people going for them.

    Ive got another interview at a printers on Monday. Ive already got a job starting Tuesday at the airport doing something completely different.


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