The Billy Meier UFO case Switzerland

dyer wrote: »

/me slaps you in the face

wake up.

Dyer,

I owe you a reply as to what makes Billy Meier’s spiritual teaching different to what found in other organisations on the Continent. So I have looked around and found a few lines in Das Buch OM (Omfalon Murado) which Meier published in 1987. In a nutshell these lines pretty much defines the spiritual teaching of Billy Meier The so called Geisteslehre. It is printed in one of the very first pages in this book under a chapter called Erklärungen 3. It goes as follows: Part quote

“The spiritual teaching (teaching-letters)
The spiritual teaching letters were written by Billy, where in part additional and extended information was provided to him by the Plejarans. Billy dictated nearly all the teaching letters on tape, and over an extended period of time, a familiar sound was heard of him speaking on tape in his office. Even the last teaching letters, which he still after his accident prepared, as painstakingly as it also was for him, he spoke on tape. The teaching letters serve the extensive explanation of the most important relations in the spiritual teaching. However, they also include the introduction and tutorial in the various procedures and the way of using intuition, self-hypnosis and hypnosis, meditation, as well as human self-knowledge and self-enquiry. Furthermore, the spiritual teaching clarify about belief and superstition (The Book of Moses 6. – 12.), as well as about the principal heresies and misunderstandings in relation to spiritual issues.

German original

“Geisteslehre (Lehr-Briefe)
Die Geisteslehr-Briefe wurden von Billy geschrieben, wobei ihm teilweise von den Plejadiern zusätzliche und erweiternde informationen und Angaben gemacht wurden. Billy diktierte fast die gesamten Lehrbriefe auf Tonband, und über längere Zeit hinweg war es ein vertrautes Geräusch, ihn in seinem Büro auf Band sprechen zu hören. Selbt den letzten Lehrbrief, den er noch nach seinem Unfall ausarbeitete sprach er, so mühevoll das für ihn auch war, auf Band. Die Lehrbriefe dienen der umfassenden Erklärung der wichtigsten Zusammenhänge in der Geisteslehre. Sie beinhalten aber ebenso auch die Einführung und Anleitungen in die verschiedensten Praktiken und Anwendungsform der Intuition, der Selbsthypnose und Hypnose, der Meditation, sowie der Selbsterkennung und Selbstergründung des Menschen. Im weiteren klärt die Geisteslehre auf über Glauben und Aberglauben (6. – 12. Buch Mose) , sowie über die wichtigsten Irrlehren und Missverständnisse in Bezuge auf geistige Belange.”


Billy drew information from three sources when he wrote the Geisteslehre Briefe:

Spiritual planes

Messages he received from two higher spiritual planes.

His own memory bank (Akashic records)

The average person unconsciously receives impulses from this memory bank. Billy claim the ability to search and retrieve this information in a conscious way. From his own memory bank, also called the Akashic Records. He simply retrieved information learned over previous incarnations. Information stored there from way back in ancient times. From a number of lifetimes, when he carried out the same task.

The extra-terrestrials

Through numerous contacts with the extra-terrestrials. Some of these contacts were verified to take place by witnesses standing a certain distance from the landing place where Billy met up for conversation with them. A lot of spiritual information was delivered through these contacts.


The spiritual teaching is nothing new, but instead millions of years old. Billy’s spiritual teaching has two purposes;

Clarify all the misconceptions of the old and bring forth the new.

The spiritual teaching letters is not meant for in-depth study of the old erroneous teaching. But to take a look at them as in clarify. Hence the word aufklären is used where the Book of Moses 6.-12. is mentioned. Which means clarify in English. I does not mean study. Hence the student is not meant to receive and spend years to study in details hundreds of photo copied pages from Das Buch Mose 6.-12. in German Gothic.

squonk wrote: »

and just when I thought this couldn't turn into any more of a pile of BS, reincarnation rears it's head as well as memories from past lives. Aw come on! Seriously????

squonk,

There is logic in reincarnation. Nature works in an on/off cycle. As in summer and Winter, day and night. Over a 24 hour period we are over one period awake and over one period asleep.

This is similar to how reincarnation is explained in this material. A certain period one is alive as being incarnated. One then dies and spend a certain time in the beyond before a new incarnation takes place. This cycle continues repeatedly. By this evolution is achieved.

Scientific evidence there is not, but that is also a matter of what we are able to measure. The evidence we are able to gather is largely confined to the physical, coarse matter domain.
The Plejarans extra-terrestrials claim that with their advanced science they can measure far more than we can, penetrating into the realm of fine matter.

On several occasions, according to the notes, Meier was given information from the extra-terrestrials about previous and future incarnations of group members and others. On one occasion this information was also checked out.

That occasion is connected to contact 53 on 27th of May 1976. It is related to two men named Bertossi and Arends. Both men sent Billy foul letters and started a savage campaign against him and his extra-terrestrial contacts.

Semjase told Billy that she checked out their previous life. In their old personality they did not lead a happy life either. And in their new personality they progressed little.

Their stay in the beyond was too short, hence they carried with them parts of their previous personalities, because their comprehensive consciousness block reincarnated too early and pulled out too much old information from the memory bank.

Semjase then goes into details about their previous life. Bertossi lived previously as August Wilhelm and he was born in the year 1867. Arends previous personality was a man named Albert Ziehten who was a hairdresser of trade.

So Albert Ziehten was a hairdresser and at the same time he was also a publican in a tavern in a place called Elberfeld in Rheinland, Germany. Albert Ziehten was married since the year 1871 with a woman named Maria Herkel.

There is a long story here with many details provided by Semjase which I will not go into. But to make it short both men were low life and one of them became a murder. Semjase also mentioned a court case in ELBERFELD spanning from 28. Januar 1884 until 2. Februar 1884 where Albert Ziehten was sentenced to death for a murder he did not commit.

The real murderer was August Wilhelm who worked as a hairdresser apprentice in Ziehten’s business at the time. He was only 16. One day when Ziehten was away on travel, the young Wilhelm tried to rape Ziehten’s wife. She put up resistance and he ended up murdering her in a blind rage.

Afterwards he blamed the murder on her husband Albert Ziehten who was wrongfully convicted. The real murderer of Maria Herkel was August Wilhelm. Albert Ziethen’s death sentence was later converted to time in jail. He died after spending 25 years in jail.
After Semjase gave Billy this information, Billy then told her he would check if there were records of this. A task he gave to Guido Moosbrugger. There are here several photo copies of the correspondence Guido initiated and received printed in the German contact notes (page 172-180 Block 2)

The photocopies reveal that Guido contacted a Lawyer in Kempten / Allgäu who forwarded the inquiry which he addressed to the president of the regional court in Wuppertal where he presented his client as being Guido Moosbrugger holding the position of school principal and who for scientific reasons would like information about Albert Ziehten who on the 2.2.1884 was sentenced to death.

He also added that Albert Ziehten was a hairdresser and publican and also an owner of a tavern in Elberfeld. The enquiry forwarded by the lawyer on behalf of Moosbrugger is dated 16 June 1976.

Reply comes back dated 21 June 1976 from the president of the regional court in Wuppertal. He advised that according to law, cases of death- and life sentences are all archived. He advised that the request has been passed on the office of public prosecutions.

On the 2nd of July 1976 the reply comes back from this office, Hauptstaatsarchiv 4 Düsseldorf, Schloss Kalkum adressed to Guido’s lawyer in Kempten. The office of public prosecutions confirmed that the documents related to the death sentence of Albert Ziehten is located in the central state archive Düsseldorf consisting of 22 files in total (Rep. 5/578-599).

In these files there is an essay by Paul Lindau “who is the murderer” (The monthly publication “Nord und Süd” Bd. 44, 1888). The detective story by G. Höker “ Der Zuchthausgefangene Albert Ziehten”, Berlin, Weichert-Verlag, which are not present here, is probably based on press reports at the time, the office further states in the letter. The files could be viewed by Moosbrugger during opening hours of the central state archives , Zweigarchiv Schloß Kalkum betwen 08.00 and 18.00

So this person did exist and the details matched the detailed information Semjase provided to Meier about Arends previous incarnation as being the person Ziehten.

Of course the possibility exists that Meier knew this information beforehand. But I don’t think so. Because this case follow a pattern, and cannot be viewed in isolation.

I think it would be near impossible task for Billy to try and give proper evidence of whether he knew or did not know any information beforehand. Wherefore one must also look at other occasions in the case of where similar type evidence was demonstrated. And that certainly exist. The case I find most impressive in regards to evidence given in this category (spiritual nature), happened two years later, in 1978.

An occasion deliberately picked by Billy and the Plejarans in my opinion for the reason it was a good occasion where evidence could easily be provided and checked out.

That occasion was related to the passing of Pope Paul VI. It started in contact 108 held the 1st of June 1978. In this contact Billy meet up with Ptaah. Upon request Ptaah verified Billy’s own probability calculation that Pope Paul VI would die in his summer residence at Castell Gandolfo on the 6th of August 1978 at 20.40 and 13 seconds in the evening.

What is worth noting here is that Ptaah told Billy they knew this exact time years earlier. They found out through an apparatus based analysis. So they used advanced technology to get this information. They also knew the place he would die, Castell Gandolfo. And they knew other circumstances related to his passing.

Contact 113 is the day when it all takes place. This contact is dated 6th of August 1978 at 20.31 o’clock in the evening. The exact time when Billy entered the beam ship, since he was teleported on-board.

The timing is important in this contact. He started preparing for the contact about 3,5 hours before the pope passed away. By taking a bath and changing to clean cloths. Only 9 minutes prior to the time the pope died, he walked out the kitchen door and vanished.

The only trace he left was 3 footsteps in the wet mud, with the fourth footstep missing.
45 minutes later he telephoned from Gasthaus Krone in Elgg. A distance 16 kilometres away. A distance it was impossible for him to walk by foot or to get to with any combination of public transport available in the area.

The rain was pouring down, and Billy’s only means of transportation was his moped, but it was parked at his house according to the witness reports.

So Billy and the extra-terrestrials here used two means to prove they knew details about when a future event would take place. An event they also watched in real time on viewing screens on board the craft. Billy later provided details about the circumstances surrounding the death of the Pope to Wendelle Stevens.

Timing: Preparing 3,5 hours before and vanishing 9 minutes before.
Distance: He was dropped off 16 km away. Impossible to walk by foot within the short time given.

There were 4 witnesses present when this happened. They saw Billy leave, and they also picked him up by car from the guest-house where he was waiting for them after the contact had ended.

Two of them wrote a witness statement. One of them was the investigator Wendelle Stevens. Both statements are in details. They stated the exact times when it all happened (Zeugenbuch 2001(Witness book) Page 208-212 W.Stevens and p. 213-214 J.Bertschinger)

Looking at this and other evidence in combination with what Guido Moosbrugger found; This is what I think:

I think the Plejaran extra-terrestrials are able to find out previous incarnations and estimate future ones. I think Semjase did find out details about the previous incarnations of Bertossi and Arends and told Meier her findings. I think Moosbrugger did an honest investigation and discovered that the information Semjase provided matched the records in the old archives.

dyer,

Going back to the Video you posted called UFO bust episode1, which you claim offer evidence that the Billy Meier case is debunked

One of several crucial points to be focused on here is this:

Where did the supply of photographic evidence being tested originate from?

The below is a 1994 recording from FOX television between Jim Dilettoso and Kal K Korff.

Jim Dilettoso is the lab technician used by Wendelle Stevens and his team of investigators. So he was supplied the photo and film material directly from Billy Meier via the investigator team. No strings etc. found in any of the photographic evidence he tested.

On the photos Kal K Korff tested, strings etc. suddenly popped up everywhere.

I have looked around to see how Kal K Korff got hold of the material he tested and found a fax printed on page 404 in Message from the Pleiades volume 4. This is a fax Billy Meier sent Wendelle Stevens on the 25th of March 1995. It has Billy Meier’s signature on it. Here Billy Writes:

“Concerning Kal Korff we know, that the material which he bought from the widow of Hans Jakob was already falsified, retouched and photomontaged, thus manipulated in different ways. Hans Jakob complained about that, when I met him at the hospital before he died. That does mean, I sold Hans Jakob the material I got back and didn’t realize immediately that it was already falsified. He also received my falsified material from other people.”

Kal Korff in this interview put forth the claim that he is an UFO researcher first and foremost. He further claims he has studied thousands of cases. But when Jim Dilettoso queried him about that telling him he has not published one thing and asked him to list them. Guess what his reply is:

"I have tonnes of newspaper clippings over the years. The producer has it here"
(Ref 06:20 minutes into the clip).

Having tonnes of newspaper clippings and being an UFO researcher is two different things.

Kal K Korrf did not even have the guts to visit Billy Meier and present himself under his real name. Instead claimed to have visited the Center where he signed inn under a false name.

Contrast this to Wendelle Stevens and his team who conducted an investigation in full honesty, under their real names and over a five year period.