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New supervised bike shed?

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 376 ✭✭cambridge


    garv123 wrote: »
    Still never got a answer to my question.

    How would i know? Wha'ts the point in me saying have one in every building when campus services come back and say you can't get planning permission. stop acting like a petulent, naive, silly little child. this isn't sim city i'm building.

    anyone with common sense would know that a paid service like this would be introduced for about 50 bikes in the most centrally accessiable location. if you want to park your bike in the kemmy for free you can, but you risk it getting knicked.

    if you want to park it in some less convienient place bu is supervised that will severely reduce the likelihood of it being knicked you also can do that.

    i don't have time to my addressing all these silly comments.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭garv123


    cambridge wrote: »
    How would i know? Wha'ts the point in me saying have one in every building when campus services come back and say you can't get planning permission. stop acting like a petulent, naive, silly little child. this isn't sim city i'm building.

    anyone with common sense would know that a paid service like this would be introduced for about 50 bikes in the most centrally accessiable location. if you want to park your bike in the kemmy for free you can, but you risk it getting knicked.

    if you want to park it in some less convienient place bu is supervised that will severely reduce the likelihood of it being knicked you also can do that.

    i don't have time to my addressing all these silly comments.


    Too busy making election posters? :pac::pac::pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 376 ✭✭cambridge


    waste of paper


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭yesno1234


    I inspected a group of 4 lads (between the ages of 12-16 can't be sure it was dark, probably towards the younger end of the scale) checking bikes (presumably to see if they had no bike locks on them) at the bike racks on the path between Stables and the Library. Had no number for campus security on me but rang them when I got home, in hindsight I should have went into the stables and asked them to ring but my head was fried and I wasn't thinking at all. When I walked by 2 more lads came towards me from the direction of the SU spar, one of them on a bike. Was it stolen? I don't know but I presume so tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    I think it's a good idea, but the 2 euro cost is offputting for students who cycle to college on a daily basis. What if they leave in the morning and return in the evening? 4 euro for the day? It's a good feeling to know your bike will be safe and secure but the question is if students are willing to pay 10-15 euro a week for the service. I know some will be but others not so much.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭Chris Martin


    cambridge wrote: »
    Stop acting like a petulent, naive, silly little child. this isn't sim city i'm building.

    anyone with common sense would know

    i don't have time to my addressing all these silly comments.

    I must say now, you're not selling yourself that well to the fine eligible voters of Boards, despite your "excellent" yet extremely vague idea.
    cambridge wrote: »
    waste of paper

    Of that, I have no doubt.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    cambridge wrote: »
    How would i know? Wha'ts the point in me saying have one in every building when campus services come back and say you can't get planning permission. stop acting like a petulent, naive, silly little child. this isn't sim city i'm building.

    You don't do self-awareness, do you?

    i don't have time to my addressing all these silly comments.

    This just shows the level your candidacy (LOL) is at.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 376 ✭✭cambridge


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    I think it's a good idea, but the 2 euro cost is offputting for students who cycle to college on a daily basis. What if they leave in the morning and return in the evening? 4 euro for the day? It's a good feeling to know your bike will be safe and secure but the question is if students are willing to pay 10-15 euro a week for the service. I know some will be but others not so much.

    seriously, you don't understand the issue. how much is your bike worth? there are people cycling into college with 400 euro bikes. 600 euro bikes. 2000 euro bike. they would jump at the chance to pay a nominal fee to have it looked after. how much do you pay to you put your jacket into icon?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    cambridge wrote: »
    seriously, you don't understand the issue. how much is your bike worth?

    You keep saying that none of us understand these issues, when clearly, you haven't a notion yourself.
    there are people cycling into college with 400 euro bikes. 600 euro bikes. 2000 euro bike. they would jump at the chance to pay a nominal fee to have it looked after.

    Are these real people you have canvassed on this issue?

    Or is this another bald assertion with nothing but a put-down to back it up when you get called on it?

    No-one in their right mind is going to be cycling a €2,000 bike to college in the first place. Bikes for that money are proper racing bikes used in competition.

    Also, as a cyclist I take note of the bikes on campus. Very few would be worth north of €500 when bought new, I'd estimate it at between 5-10%.
    Sure, there are some nice Giants and Treks around, but they only stand out because the vast majority of bikes are pieces of shi'ite (like my own).
    how much do you pay to you put your jacket into icon?

    Not a comparable issue, unless you're in Icon every night of the week.

    €2 a day as suggested by Cydoniac is not 'a nominal fee'. That adds up to €10 a week, or approx. €130-140 a semester. Then you have his fairly reasonable point about how to go about accommodating those who may want to leave and come back in the same day.

    €1 a day may be more manageable, but with all the free spots, I don't see much demand for this service.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 376 ✭✭cambridge


    CiaranMT wrote: »
    You keep saying that none of us understand these issues, when clearly, you haven't a notion yourself.

    talking to you is like talking to a child brat.
    Are these real people you have canvassed on this issue?

    yes, postgrads, staff, undergrads. all have said they've no problem spending the price of bus fare securing their bike on a daily basis. many said they got nice bikes on the cycle to work scheme but didn't use them because fear of theft or vandalism, they only use them on weekends. if they could guarantee their safety they'd use them.
    Or is this another bald assertion with nothing but a put-down to back it up when you get called on it?

    you know nothing
    No-one in their right mind is going to be cycling a €2,000 bike to college in the first place. Bikes for that money are proper racing bikes used in competition.

    they would if they weren't going to get robbed. you do know other than you and your scummy mates more people use this college? staff. post-grads. there are people who own 2k euro bikes.
    Also, as a cyclist I take note of the bikes on campus.

    cop on to your self
    because the vast majority of bikes are pieces of shi'ite (like my own).

    exactly, because of fear of theft. everyone says get a ****ty little bike you wouldn't mind losing to cycle to ul in because if you use a nice one it will be nicked or kicked in.

    €1 a day may be more manageable, but with all the free spots, I don't see much demand for this service.

    you know nothing


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭Delta Kilo


    I agree there could be demand for this, I know people with expensive bikes. Its like the running craze that seems to be going on. Aside from the people who used the bike to work schemes to get expensive lawn mowers, lots of people seem to have bought expensive bikes and all the gear to go with it.

    as an aside, you can forget about security looking after them. They are there for one reason only, to protect the property of the university, they don't care about your car or bike.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    cambridge wrote: »
    talking to you is like talking to a child brat.

    Stay classy, cambridge.
    yes, postgrads, staff, undergrads. all have said they've no problem spending the price of bus fare securing their bike on a daily basis. many said they got nice bikes on the cycle to work scheme but didn't use them because fear of theft or vandalism, they only use them on weekends. if they could guarantee their safety they'd use them.

    There ya go, providing some evidence for your argument wasn't so hard.
    they would if they weren't going to get robbed. you do know other than you and your scummy mates more people use this college? staff. post-grads. there are people who own 2k euro bikes.

    Leave out the 'scummy' bit. It's sad. For a postgrad you seem to have a very immature approach to debate.

    I'm aware that these people have bikes. I said to you that these people make up a very small minority.
    cop on to your self

    How about you engage in the debate instead of these tiresome put-downs?
    exactly, because of fear of theft. everyone says get a ****ty little bike you wouldn't mind losing to cycle to ul in because if you use a nice one it will be nicked or kicked in.

    Naturally. That made up some of the rationale for buying the bike I did. But...

    It was mostly financial reasons. The vast, vast majority of students can't afford to spend €500+ on bikes because of existing costs, such as rent, increasing college fees, books, club/soc activities, socialising etc.
    you know nothing

    Classy. Really classy cambridge. You'll go far in the SU.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 376 ✭✭cambridge


    CiaranMT wrote: »
    S
    It was mostly financial reasons. The vast, vast majority of students can't afford to spend €500+ on bikes because of existing costs, such as rent, increasing college fees, books, club/soc activities, socialising etc.
    .

    you know nothing. look at how many people have cars. look at the packed out car parks. if you can afford a car and petrol you can afford a bike. you're making a show of your self trying to pick at my arguments. you've been shown to be under informed and wrong. you've lost any credibility you had, you're trying to troll me and as the lad in the other thread said, you're ruining the forum.

    derek daly has already said the process is already in place for some lockable bit sheds etc. and then you turn around and say there is no demand for it because students can't afford a euro. you are genuinely clueless.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 2,432 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peteee


    Cambridge, banned for personal abuse. This has been a long time coming.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    cambridge wrote: »
    you know nothing. look at how many people have cars. look at the packed out car parks. if you can afford a car and petrol you can afford a bike. you're making a show of your self trying to pick at my arguments. you've been shown to be under informed and wrong. you've lost any credibility you had, you're trying to troll me

    Again, how many parking spaces are there? What percentage of students drive to college? And, of those, how many would even want to cycle? These are things you have to consider.

    There are far more students without the means to afford a car than those with them.

    As for your posts in general, baldly stating 'you know nothing' and 'under informed and wrong' a) doesn't make it true, and b) shows how weak your argument is if you have to resort to petty jibes.

    Your troll accusation is even worse, since I'm the one debating the idea in a reasonable manner. All you're mustering is some half-baked retorts and veiled insults.
    as the lad in the other thread said, you're ruining the forum.

    I should be so honoured. Where is this? You sure they weren't referring to you? ;)
    derek daly has already said the process is already in place for some lockable bit sheds etc. and then you turn around and say there is no demand for it because students can't afford a euro. you are genuinely clueless.

    I never said there wouldn't be demand. No-one has said that, in fact. But nice try with the strawman.

    What has been questioned is the feasability, the location, the necessity and students' willingness to pay for such a service.

    I also said €1 would be more manageable, and highlighted Cydoniac's point about repeated use throughout the day.

    Again, try and respond to the points raised and avoid personal attacks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    Just saw your post there Peteee.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭garv123


    I do love how you've only been in Ireland 6 months and has only met other Americans and Chinese girls but yet you know whats best for all the college and everyone else is wrong.

    :pac::rolleyes:




    Edit:

    Only saw the banned post myself there too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭Popoutman


    I would love to be able to cycle my good bike to college as it's just that much more comfortable to ride, plus I already own it and I wouldn't have to go and get a third piece of crap bike just for commuting .
    One of the main reasons that I drive to college in a Thursday or Friday is that I go to the office from a lecture for the night's work. I'd usually finish between 00.30 and ~03.00 and it's not really safe to cycle around castletroy at that stage, plus I'd arrive home pumped up from a cycle and not finding it easy to sleep at all - so I drive to work to be able to drive home.
    If there's a properly secure bike store where I could safely store €2k of a bike without fear of damage or theft. That would mean that I could cycle back to the house to get the car. I would do that on a regular basis instead of driving in, trying to find a free space (either staff or pay as my gf is staff), and getting stuck in traffic trying to leave.
    I'd like to see how the security would be implemented, and what insurance there would be in place to cover damage or theft of bikes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭seen2Bgreen


    its amazing how many expensive bikes there are all around campus, locked with the sh ittiest cheap locks.

    BUY A BETTER LOCK!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭Chimaera


    The best solution IMO for locking bikes is a good quality shackle (U) lock, something like Kryptonite or Oxford brand. Lock the bike in such a way that there's no space to fit a bottle jack into the 'U' and you're good. I usually lock through the chainstays.

    Cable locks can be beaten by a bolt cutters. Cheap shackle locks only need a few belts of a hammer to shatter the lock. Same for the lock on a lot of cable locks. Shackle locks can also be opened by putting a small bottle jack (used for jacking cars) into the 'U' and bursting the 'U' apart.

    Never lock through a wheel only, wheels are easy enough to take off. Finally, if you have quick release wheels and saddle, consider replacing the quick release fasteners with non-QR ones. Most bike shops sell security skewers which will replace the QR axle skewers with a bolt in type, and they often come with a bolt for the saddle too.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭Jamie Starr


    People are ridiculous with regards to bikes here. Most of the locks I've seen around UL are one step up from sellotape in a thief's eyes. I wouldn't leave my bike around for long without at least two proper chain locks, and it's nothing to write home about. Even then though, someone who knows what they're doing could get through a lock like that in moments.


    €2 a day is steep I feel, a lot of bike theft can be stopped by putting racks in public places and people being aware of what's going on around them, because, as shown below, any amateur can make off with a bike at lightning speed if the lock's cheap, and even the best locks aren't a deterent to some thieves.




    It's also disturbing how utterly lenient the law is on bike thieves, even in London courts.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭Chimaera


    two proper chain locks

    Unless they're proper hardened steel chains designed for securing a bike, they're not worth a damn! Bolt cutters will cut through standard hardware shop chain no hassle - by and large, that's what's used in the shop to cut it to length.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭Jamie Starr


    Chimaera wrote: »
    Unless they're proper hardened steel chains designed for securing a bike, they're not worth a damn! Bolt cutters will cut through standard hardware shop chain no hassle - by and large, that's what's used in the shop to cut it to length.

    Yeah, I meant proper bike chain locks, but even then, I'm not saying they'll stop anyone who wants to get at a bike either, as the video above shows. It just means anyone who wants to take your bike might have to bring something pretty noticable like bolt cutters to do it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭brucechan


    here's an idea...

    if you live in Milford , elm pk or College court...

    WALK


  • Registered Users Posts: 567 ✭✭✭bonnieprince


    I cycle to UL everyday on my €400 bike and am lucky that I can lock it near where I am based and can see it throughout the day. I would not be willing to pay €2 for the privilege of locking my bike up each day.

    What is the €2 for? Do they need to rent these bike lockers?? Sounds like more revenue generation by UL to me.

    College is expensive enough without charging a ridiculous fee for using free travel. Cycling even when its raining is much more preferable to driving.

    There is also an underground car park in ERB which has bike racks and CCTV installed. Where these "magic showers" are located??


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭Figerty


    Over in LIT there is a bike shed with an electronic key fob. You 'rent' the fob for the year for a nominal fee.

    Swipe the fob (no pun intended!), open the door, put the bike in and lock it to the bike stands as normal inside the shed. Only those with fobs can get in. Obvioulsy it's not fool proof as anyone with a fob can open the gate/door. But it does stop the opportunist and as the shed is mesh sided with one door so it's not easy to steal a bike without being seen or escape the security cameras.

    Shed is a mesh side, metal roof and looks ok. cheap to erect. There was even a wheel chair in there... no idea why though!

    Of course the IOT's are known for being more 'practical' hahahahaha...... no bikes being stolen though!


  • Registered Users Posts: 695 ✭✭✭TheSpecialOne


    Has there been any action on this 'bike shed'? Considering buying a bike but i would be quite worried having read the stories of theft here, never knew it was so rampant!


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭freyners


    Has there been any action on this 'bike shed'? Considering buying a bike but i would be quite worried having read the stories of theft here, never knew it was so rampant!
    OP never seriously intended to do anything so scratch that one. It was a good idea however.

    I've been using a bike for a year now and never had any trouble. I have a sturdy combi lock and a fairly ****ty bike so it helps:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭Daniel S


    Buy a Kryptonite lock and you should be okay, just make sure you use it correctly (ie, don't attach it to your front wheel that has a quick release... :pac: ). They're expensive but worth getting.

    try chainreactioncycles.com


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,472 ✭✭✭echomadman


    That car park in the ERB has a fire escape door at the back that scummers use to escape through. the place is littered with busted locks. I stopped parking my motorbike in there after I realised that it is in fact less secure than out in the open as they have a bit of privacy to work on your locks.

    €2 a day for bicycle parking would be a criminal amount to charge, it would be cheaper to just buy a new scrapheap whenever your bike was stolen. A secure parking area with access using the rfid chips in our student cards (no new fob to carry around/lose) that cost say a tenner per semester would be fair in my opinion.


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