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Tesco Maynooth

  • 31-12-2011 4:55pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭


    So I finally got to go to my local Tesco and plug-in while shopping.

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    I think it's great these are becoming more common. You'll never have to worry about range for urban / suburban driving if you can conveniently plug-in and charge at whatever destination you're going to.


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    First time I've ever seen a car using those.

    Are you paying for the charges yet?


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Suppose it's good for business as e-cars? owners will probably go there for their shopping.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    Cool one charging point!

    There's actually two there I think.

    Compared to the 16 at the petrol station 100 metres away, which fill the cars quicker and for an actually practical range...


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭Bandara


    Be quite a long time before it becomes even slightly common in forecourts

    €10,000 to put the charge point in, €1,400 a year maintenance contract and the loss of valuable forecourt space to a area that will be used VERY rarely.

    Its not even a consideration for a normal station, economic madness to put one in.

    In ten years or whatever years it take to have 5% of the cars electric then maybe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    MYOB wrote: »
    There's actually two there I think.

    Compared to the 16 at the petrol station 100 metres away, which fill the cars quicker and for an actually practical range...

    Cool two charging points!

    :)

    Supply and demand I suppose. Sadly we will be reliant on these soon!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭Sesshoumaru


    The current Nissan Leaf can't use it, The Leaf's AC port only supports 220volt, 16 amp on a single phase. But the Renault Fluence ZE supports 32 amps on 3 phases, which all on street charging posts the ESB install support. So a Fluence ZE owner could go from 0% to 100% in 1 hour on the same charging post. More useful for Renault EV owners, but I won't say no to a few electrons wherever I can get them.

    Right now they're free and the ports open when you pass your RFID card over them. I'm told eventually the electricity you use from on street chargers will end up on your electricity bill. Free until the middle of next year the ESB keep telling us :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 80,795 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn


    Interesting, hopefully they restrict those spaces to only electric cars and only those being charged.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Interesting, hopefully they restrict those spaces to only electric cars and only those being charged.

    They're at almost the furthest extent of the site, over beside the glass/alu/clothes recycling area (which has its own pull in bay) and McDonalds (which has its own car park). And due to there being about 1400 spaces and all free, its highly unlikely a non electric car would ever have need to park there.

    The spaces were empty any time I was down in the days before Christmas, for instance - despite there being queues to try and park in the covered area!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭Bandara


    The current Nissan Leaf can't use it, The Leaf's AC port only supports 220volt, 16 amp on a single phase. But the Renault Fluence ZE supports 32 amps on 3 phases, which all on street charging posts the ESB install support. So a Fluence ZE owner could go from 0% to 100% in 1 hour on the same charging post. More useful for Renault EV owners, but I won't say no to a few electrons wherever I can get them.

    Right now they're free and the ports open when you pass your RFID card over them. I'm told eventually the electricity you use from on street chargers will end up on your electricity bill. Free until the middle of next year the ESB keep telling us :)

    Am I getting this correct;

    there isnt a standard universal recharging fitting for Electric Cars?

    Thats a joke and a huge issue if true


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    Hammertime wrote: »
    Am I getting this correct;

    there isnt a standard universal recharging fitting for Electric Cars?

    Thats a joke and a huge issue if true

    I wondered about that. Bizzare, especially since Nissan are longtime partners with Renault.


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Confab wrote: »
    I wondered about that. Bizzare, especially since Nissan are longtime partners with Renault.

    For "longtime partners", substitute "heavily owned and controlled by"


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Maybe the Leaf can have a special cable that only uses one of the phases from the 3 phase charging points?


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    It's like the Nokia phone charger thing all over again. Q the EU rolling in on this one!


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,683 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    And don't forget, even if you buy a Renault electric vehicle, you then rent the battery in it. Its like going to a restaurant, paying for your dinner, and then paying again for the cutlery. What a crock of sh*t!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭Sesshoumaru


    Hammertime wrote: »
    Am I getting this correct;

    there isnt a standard universal recharging fitting for Electric Cars?

    Thats a joke and a huge issue if true

    The Renault and Nissan EV's use the same J1772 connector

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772#Compatible_vehicle_models

    From videos and articles I find online most manufacturers are going with this. The Renault Fluence, Twizy, Kangoo and Zoe use this as well, although they're not listed on that Wikipedia page. Reviews I've seen of the Volvo EV and hybrid all seem to have the J1772 connector as well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭Sesshoumaru


    Interesting, hopefully they restrict those spaces to only electric cars and only those being charged.

    I think MYOB covered the necessity of that for these spaces. Tesco Extra in Maynooth is huge and they stuck these spaces in the least desirable place to park :)

    Smarter Transport 2011 bill is supposed to give the Local Authorities the power to make charging bays for EV's only amongst other stuff.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭pajo1981


    Owen wrote: »
    And don't forget, even if you buy a Renault electric vehicle, you then rent the battery in it. Its like going to a restaurant, paying for your dinner, and then paying again for the cutlery. What a crock of sh*t!


    It's not, because the renault costs a not insignificant 10k less to buy than the nissan.

    An as for 'impracticable range', these cars would cover the vast majority of journeys taken out of a town like maynooth, within range, and then some.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 382 ✭✭Mister Dread


    That place is a disaster for handicap parking. The whole front of the underground car park has handicap spaces which might see two cars in them on a good day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Bumpstop


    I dunno how anyone can be so iresponsible to the enviroment as to buy a battery car. the pollution caused making the batteries is huge. Most of Irelands real electricity is made from burning fossil fuels. Don't mention wind to me, it's the biggest con ever.

    Ok ok a bit tongue in cheek but still............


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,683 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    pajo1981 wrote: »
    It's not, because the renault costs a not insignificant 10k less to buy than the nissan.

    It's definitely a crock of sh*t because Renault are shouting from the rooftops that their electric vehicles cost no more than diesel cars - plainly, it's not the truth. They forget to mention that you need to rent the batterys afterwards. How the advertising regulator lets them get away with it is beyond me.

    I do however really like the Renault Kangoo ZE - I think if companies in the city centre doing deliveries used these it would make a difference, An Post, Florists, and the like. But the price point is still far too high for electric vehicles in general.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭pajo1981


    Bumpstop wrote: »
    Most of Irelands real electricity is made from burning fossil fuels

    Whatever about your other points, you can scratch that one if you want to sound remotely credible.

    -Fossil fuel burning station are considerably more efficient/cleaner than ICEs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    its only a matter of time before someone in a daesil parks in one of those bays :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭Sesshoumaru


    Owen wrote: »
    It's definitely a crock of sh*t because Renault are shouting from the rooftops that their electric vehicles cost no more than diesel cars - plainly, it's not the truth. They forget to mention that you need to rent the batterys afterwards. How the advertising regulator lets them get away with it is beyond me.

    I do however really like the Renault Kangoo ZE - I think if companies in the city centre doing deliveries used these it would make a difference, An Post, Florists, and the like. But the price point is still far too high for electric vehicles in general.

    I'm not in the business of using vans or have any requirement for one. I did however take the Kangoo ZE for a test drive. Seemed perfect for use in cities as a delivery van. Unlike the Fluence ZE it has the batteries underneath the rear floor space, which meant it had a completely level load area.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭pajo1981


    Owen wrote: »
    It's definitely a crock of sh*t because Renault are shouting from the rooftops that their electric vehicles cost no more than diesel cars - plainly, it's not the truth. They forget to mention that you need to rent the batterys afterwards. How the advertising regulator lets them get away with it is beyond me.

    That's erring on the side of sharp, alright.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭E39MSport


    I'm parking my 850 across those two fokkers tomorrow :D


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    E39MSport wrote: »
    I'm parking my 850 across those two fokkers tomorrow :D

    Its not like anyone other than the OP is ever going to use them, so assuming he's done his shopping for the week and doesn't want a taxpayer-funded charge, you're OK.


  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Bumpstop


    pajo1981 wrote: »
    Whatever about your other points, you can scratch that one if you want to sound remotely credible.

    -Fossil fuel burning station are considerably more efficient/cleaner than ICEs.
    I'm not so sure they all are, but noone is touting the ICE as green. Whereas you would think electricity came from cuddling daisies the way they are marketing these cars.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭E39MSport


    Indeed, and you should see the deserts they leave behind on the bogs.

    ... not to mention this

    bogView3.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭pajo1981


    E39MSport wrote: »
    Indeed, and you should see the deserts they leave behind on the bogs.

    ... not to mention this

    bogView3.jpg

    Every EV journey reduces a bog, like the one in this picture, to a smoldering radioactive wasteland.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,102 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    Owen wrote: »
    And don't forget, even if you buy a Renault electric vehicle, you then rent the battery in it. Its like going to a restaurant, paying for your dinner, and then paying again for the cutlery. What a crock of sh*t!

    It actually makes more sense to lease the battery like Renault than to include it in the cost of the car like Nissan did.

    The battery in the Leaf has an expected life of around 7 years. This means in 7 years time, the proud owner of a Leaf has to fork out up to 12k for a new battery, whereas Mr Renault EV owner doesn't need to worry about that because he never owns the battery.

    Much better system IMO. It also makes sense when you consider that Renault are developing a system where you drive into an EV centre, and your empty batter is swapped for a charged battery.
    The Renault and Nissan EV's use the same J1772 connector

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772#Compatible_vehicle_models

    From videos and articles I find online most manufacturers are going with this. The Renault Fluence, Twizy, Kangoo and Zoe use this as well, although they're not listed on that Wikipedia page. Reviews I've seen of the Volvo EV and hybrid all seem to have the J1772 connector as well.

    IIRC, the Leaf and the Fluence cannot use the same quick charge points. I did training on this recently, but I can't remember for the life of my what the reasons were for it.


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