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Hijab, Niqab or Nothing interview

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  • #182
    dead one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭dead one


    Mark Hamill wrote: »
    But is that not pleasureful, at least in the long term? When I say pleasure, I don't necessarily mean something that is instantaneously gratifying (although it can be). I mean something that makes you happy and increases the quality and harmony of your life (because those things generally lead to you being more happy). You do things for the will of god, because you believe that its better for the world to act in his will (ie that it will increase everyone's happiness and quality of life) and because it will ensure your entrance into heaven, where you get eternal happiness.
    So is that a problem or solution for problems? -- You don't eat to feed other -- Is that a problem or solution... You resist unnecessary temptations -- Is that a problem -- What i am saying, the thing makes you perfect human... I know 100 perfection isn't possilbe but it makes you 80 to 70 % perfect human.. It enables you to resist all kinds of unnecessary temptations,-- It helps you control impatience, anger, wastage of live, slavery to pleasure


  • #183
    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    dead one wrote: »
    what creates sadness, pleasures... wisdom begets wisdom

    How do pleasures create sadness? If pleasures create sadness, what creates happiness?


  • #184
    dead one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭dead one


    Mark Hamill wrote: »
    So you deny yourself pleasure when you don't need to, so that you can do it when you do need to? Except that you do it all your life, so that you can stop doing it when you die and get into heaven, where you will never need to do it? That doesn't make a lot of sense.
    Honestly i didn't get you point..
    Mark Hamill wrote: »
    Oh, really? That's nice. By the way, can you prove any of this, or is it more empty ranting?
    Are you not selfish? -- Don't you want to live longer... Do you have courage to sacrifice you life to save someone else... Can you put yourself in danger for someone else... It needs faith to do such act, you don't have faith.. keep resisting of pleasure in mind while answering..


  • #185
    dead one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭dead one


    Mark Hamill wrote: »
    How do pleasures create sadness? If pleasures create sadness,
    Itis philosophy ..The world itself is not filled with sadness... We human create that... In order to make our-selves happy/pleasant we sad other..... This is war of selfishness... The very purpose, why resisting of pleasure is real life..... Pleasures always bring pain.. Resisting pleasure means resisting pain... If you can't resist pleasures there is possibly you won't resist pain... For every pleasure you enjoy, you must suffer some pain-- How does pleasure create sadness...You eat something, it is pleasure; if you can't resist pleasure and eat too much it becomes pain ---
    Mark Hamill wrote: »
    what creates happiness?
    resisting pleasure to solve the problem of others.. To benefit other while keeping yourself in danger... That's the real source of happiness


  • #186
    doctoremma
    Registered Users Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭doctoremma


    dead one wrote: »
    Can you put yourself in danger for someone else... It needs faith to do such act
    Here is a link to a military atheist organisation:
    http://militaryatheists.org/


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  • #187
    doctoremma
    Registered Users Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭doctoremma


    dead one wrote: »
    resisting pleasure to solve the problem of others.. To benefit other while keeping yourself in danger... That's the real source of happiness
    So resisting pleasures to solve the problems of others give you happiness i.e. long-term pleasure...


  • #188
    dead one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭dead one


    doctoremma wrote: »
    So resisting pleasures to solve the problems of others give you happiness i.e. long-term pleasure...
    so what's wrong with that pleasure which benefits humanity.. A pleasure which doesn't make me sick -- There is no disease in my heart to pleasure myself..


  • #189
    dead one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭dead one


    doctoremma wrote: »
    Here is a link to a military atheist organisation:
    http://militaryatheists.org/
    The base is of their military isn't faith...Can't survive in long term--- There is difference between man of faith and man of science... Man of Faith jumps into the well of Fire, Science is still standing there doubtful..


  • #190
    doctoremma
    Registered Users Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭doctoremma


    dead one wrote: »
    so what's wrong with that pleasure which benefits humanity.. A pleasure which doesn't make me sick -- There is no disease in my heart to pleasure myself..
    What things do you deny yourself that benefit humanity?


  • #191
    dead one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭dead one


    doctoremma wrote: »
    What things do you deny yourself that benefit humanity?
    Can you name anything which i deny that benefit humanity..


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  • #192
    doctoremma
    Registered Users Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭doctoremma


    dead one wrote: »
    Can you name anything which i deny that benefit humanity..
    Eh?


  • #193
    dead one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭dead one


    doctoremma wrote: »
    Eh?
    Is that a thing???
    See I don't deny anything that benefit humanity..


  • #194
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    oceanclub wrote: »
    Elsewhere, it seems that some ungrateful women aren't taking too kindly to gangs of men telling them what to wear:

    http://bikyamasr.com/53028/egyptian-women-cane-morality-police/?utm_source=Facebook+Resharer&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=WordSocial

    P.
    I do find it disturbing how Islam as practiced in many Islamic countries has a tendency towards making choices for others and 'morality police'. In the West, we are lectured by Muslims about being 'afraid of Islam' and tolerance is demanded. Meanwhile, how far would you get with building a church in Saudi Arabia? Where is the tolerance there?

    Anyway, that's a bit O/T and I don't want to derail the thread, just a passing observation.


  • #195
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    dead one wrote: »
    Man of Faith jumps into the well of Fire, Science is still standing there doubtful..
    That sounds about right. :)


  • #196
    dead one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭dead one


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    That sounds about right. :)
    Do you know what happened when he jumped into the fire, the fire becomes a garden... That's the power of faith...


  • #197
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    dead one wrote: »
    Do you know what happened when he jumped into the fire, the fire becomes a garden... That's the power of faith...
    Or the fire burns him to a crisp. That's the power of science. :)


  • #198
    dead one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭dead one


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Or the fire burns him to a crisp.
    lack of faith makes you a crisp
    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    That's the power of science. :)
    man of faith vs man of science...
    In this story man of science loses-- Strange story, I hope one day you will find truth..


  • #199
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    dead one wrote: »
    I hope one day you will find truth..
    And I also hope you learn the truth too.


  • #200
    dead one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭dead one


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    And I also hope you learn the truth too.
    Truth is faith is the strongest weapon in long term... See poor taliban in Afghanistan with no weapons, are fighting against the superpowers of the world... After 10 years, your weapon and science couldn't finish their faith...


  • #201
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    dead one wrote: »
    Truth is faith is the strongest weapon in long term... See poor taliban in Afghanistan with no weapons, are fighting against the superpowers of the world... After 10 years, your weapon and science couldn't finish their faith...
    Indeed, but it finished many of their lives. Many more of them died than their faith killed of their enemies. You would think that if they had a god on their side, they would have managed a military victory over the US and company.

    I'm not sure how this is relevant to the discussion about hijabs etc. though. :)


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  • #202
    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    dead one wrote: »
    So is that a problem or solution for problems? -- You don't eat to feed other -- Is that a problem or solution... You resist unnecessary temptations -- Is that a problem -- What i am saying, the thing makes you perfect human... I know 100 perfection isn't possilbe but it makes you 80 to 70 % perfect human.. It enables you to resist all kinds of unnecessary temptations,-- It helps you control impatience, anger, wastage of live, slavery to pleasure

    What are you talking about? I have no idea what you are saying or how it relates to my post.


  • #203
    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    dead one wrote: »
    Honestly i didn't get you point..

    Now you know I how feel...
    Look, you said "the purpose of resisting pleasures is to resist pleasures in time of need". But the only pleasure you resist as if you are practising is during Ramadan when you don't eat at certain times of teh day. All other pleasures you resist, you do so 24/7, so that you can attain an existence (ie get into heaven) where you will never have to resist them. So why bother resisting them here all the time if you wont need to in heaven?
    dead one wrote: »
    Are you not selfish? -- Don't you want to live longer... Do you have courage to sacrifice you life to save someone else... Can you put yourself in danger for someone else... It needs faith to do such act, you don't have faith.. keep resisting of pleasure in mind while answering..

    So no evidence then?
    No, I am not selfish, and I would like to think I would put myself in harms way to save someone else, not because of faith in god, but because its a good thing to do to help those in need.


  • #204
    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    dead one wrote: »
    Itis philosophy ..The world itself is not filled with sadness... We human create that... In order to make our-selves happy/pleasant we sad other..... This is war of selfishness... The very purpose, why resisting of pleasure is real life..... Pleasures always bring pain.. Resisting pleasure means resisting pain... If you can't resist pleasures there is possibly you won't resist pain... For every pleasure you enjoy, you must suffer some pain-- How does pleasure create sadness...You eat something, it is pleasure; if you can't resist pleasure and eat too much it becomes pain ---

    Then don't eat too much? Because, as I said before, you should look at the bigger picture or the long term when trying to gain pleasure (ie cakes are tasty, but eat too much and you will get sick in the future).
    Ultimately your point doesn't make any sense. Yes, sometimes attempting to gain pleasure can cause someone else pain (i eat a cake that someone else wanted to eat and know they can't), but its not necessarily my fault. So you make careful decisions about which pleasures to get and how to get them, and try to minimize that pain. There is no point in trying to avoid all pleasures, as that that can cause pain to others just as much as pleasure can (nobody eats cakes - confectionery industry collapses, millions out of jobs).
    dead one wrote: »
    resisting pleasure to solve the problem of others.. To benefit other while keeping yourself in danger... That's the real source of happiness

    You can solve the problems of others while enjoying some of lifes pleasures. Resisting pleasure is a problem in of itself, how do you solve that?


  • #205
    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    dead one wrote: »
    Man of Faith jumps into the well of Fire,

    Science builds a bridge over it.


  • #206
    irishconvert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭irishconvert


    Monty and dead_one, please cut out the childish nonsense and get back on topic.


  • #207
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    irishconvert wrote: »
    Monty and dead_one, please cut out the childish nonsense and get back on topic.

    My apologies. I didn't intend to derail the thread.


  • #208
    irishconvert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭irishconvert


    dead one wrote: »
    Majority atheist are selfish when it comes to sacrifice.. become selfish..They are selfish only to their own lives.. That's the difference becoming slave to pleasures and resisting pleasures...

    That's such a nonsense thing to say. How can you tar a whole group of people with the one brush? Almost as silly as the "all Muslims are terrorists" argument. I know lots of athiests and I can tell you many of them are kinder people than some so-called Muslims I know. You should take people as you find them.


  • #209
    dead one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭dead one


    irishconvert wrote: »
    How can you tar a whole group of people with the one brush?
    A man is known by the company which he keeps
    irishconvert wrote: »
    Almost as silly as the "all Muslims are terrorists" argument.
    There is weakness in the argument, I didn't say all atheists are selfish... I have used the word "majority"... They are selfish to their own lives when it comes sacrifice ... They try to save their sorry arse first, because there is no faith inside them.. They have faith in this world and they don't want to lose it... Tell if i am wrong..Kindness is a different thing -- selfishness is a different thing... Are you saying a selfish person can't be kind


  • #210
    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    dead one wrote: »
    A man is known by the company which he keeps

    So atheists are selfish because they hang out with other atheists? But that nots tarring a whole group with one brush.
    dead one wrote: »
    There is weakness in the argument, I didn't say all atheists are selfish... I have used the word "majority"... They are selfish to their own lives when it comes sacrifice ... They try to save their sorry arse first, because there is no faith inside them.. They have faith in this world and they don't want to lose it... Tell if i am wrong..Kindness is a different thing -- selfishness is a different thing... Are you saying a selfish person can't be kind

    Oh, so you only said "the majority" of atheists are selfish, that's totally makes the generalisation accurate :rolleyes:. So tell me dead one, if only the majority are selfish, what makes the remainder not selfish, despite the company they keep?


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  • #211
    oceanclub
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    dead one wrote: »
    A man is known by the company which he keeps

    There is weakness in the argument, I didn't say all atheists are selfish... I have used the word "majority"... They are selfish to their own lives when it comes sacrifice ...

    Who is more "selfish" - the person who does good in their life, even though they know that after they die there is nothing, or the person who does good because they want a reward of eternal life and 72 virgins?

    P.


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