Jog slowly and not more than 2.5hrs a week or it will KILL YOU

[Deleted User] · 04-02-2015 11:03am #1

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11385044/Fast-running-is-as-deadly-as-sitting-on-couch-scientists-find.html

this story appearing in lots online and offline media sources.

basically saying that jogging too much and / or too fast increases mortality.

joggers and non-joggers compared in a study over a number of years. more sedentary and joggers / runners doing a lot of running / jogging died than moderate joggers.

Krusty_Clown · 04-02-2015 11:16am

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryhusten/2015/02/03/no-too-much-jogging-probably-wont-kill-you/

Krusty_Clown · 04-02-2015 11:16am

http://www.runnersworld.com/health/the-supposed-dangers-of-running-too-much

TFBubendorfer · 04-02-2015 11:40am

Which study should we believe? This one where jogging more than 2.5 hours per week kills you or one of the previous ones where you need at least 30 minutes of strenuous exercise per day for the good of your health?

Of course you should take notice of research, but in this latest study they had 2 out of 40 "strenuous joggers" die over a 12 year period. Surely no serious scientific would draw any concrete conclusions out of such a small sample size! :eek:

average_runner · 04-02-2015 11:45am

Define jogging :eek:

average_runner · 04-02-2015 11:46am

glasso wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11385044/Fast-running-is-as-deadly-as-sitting-on-couch-scientists-find.html

this story appearing in lots online and offline media sources.

basically saying that jogging too much and / or too fast increases mortality.

joggers and non-joggers compared in a study over a number of years. more sedentary and joggers / runners doing a lot of running / jogging died than moderate joggers.

Doesn't mention anything about running helping with depression etc, just ask Ronnie O'Sullivan!

[Deleted User] · 04-02-2015 11:51am

I love running but maybe there is some truth to the fact that prolonged strenuous activity over a period of time is maybe not the best for our bodies, and maybe specifically the heart.

[Deleted User] · 04-02-2015 11:52am

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

http://www.runnersworld.com/health/the-supposed-dangers-of-running-too-much

I saw that, but they would say that wouldn't they... They'd be out of business if running decreased. but yes, of course the numbers are small and maybe not statistically significant.

robinph · 04-02-2015 11:52am

Study essentially says that people die.

Some of the people who died sat on the sofa a lot during their life, some of them did a lot of running.

To conclude anything else from it is daft.

walshb · 04-02-2015 11:53am

average_runner wrote: »

Doesn't mention anything about running helping with depression etc, just ask Ronnie O'Sullivan!

I would say any kind of cardio or physical exercise would help.

menoscemo · 04-02-2015 12:05pm

average_runner wrote: »

Define jogging :eek:

According to the article 5mph. Strenuous running (I saw it definied in another article in the Daily mail as 'strenous jogging

:rolleyes:) is anything faster than 7 mph

Krusty_Clown · 04-02-2015 12:06pm

glasso wrote: »

I saw that, but they would say that wouldn't they... They'd be out of business if running decreased. but yes, of course the numbers are small and maybe not statistically significant.

The same can be said of the Telegraph, who depend on newsworthy articles, to sell copy. By the way, I linked to two articles, one provided by Forbes (who don't have a vested interest in running or exercise). I'm not saying that strenuous exercise won't have a negative impact on your health, I'm merely providing links to counter-arguments to sensationalist stories.

If you have concerns with regard to your health, I'd urge you to visit your GP for a check-up, and reduce your weekly exercise to 150 minutes of moderate jogging.

[Deleted User] · 04-02-2015 12:21pm

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

The same can be said of the Telegraph, who depend on newsworthy articles, to sell copy. By the way, I linked to two articles, one provided by Forbes (who don't have a vested interest in running or exercise). I'm not saying that strenuous exercise won't have a negative impact on your health, I'm merely providing links to counter-arguments to sensationalist stories.

If you have concerns with regard to your health, I'd urge you to visit your GP for a check-up, and reduce your weekly exercise to 150 minutes of moderate jogging.

I'm just putting this out there as an opinion, no need to personalise things. Obviously this forum is full of running evangelists, being one myself. Healthy to consider other opinions / studies sometime....

DogSlySmile · 04-02-2015 12:35pm

Looks like I may be headed for an early grave, but at least I'll leave a sexy corpse.

average_runner · 04-02-2015 12:37pm

glasso wrote: »

I'm just putting this out there as an opinion, no need to personalise things. Obviously this forum is full of running evangelists, being one myself. Healthy to consider other opinions / studies sometime....

It is important to consider other studies, but they need to come from a reliable source with facts to prove it

inigo · 04-02-2015 12:48pm

Is this yet another case of association, which is all that can be concluded from epidemiological or observational studies? As opposed to causation, which can "only" come from interventional studies...

Ososlo · 04-02-2015 12:51pm

Say it were proven 100% to be true and we're all headed for early graves, would any of us stop/decrease our running right now? Doubt it!

Krusty_Clown · 04-02-2015 12:55pm

glasso wrote: »

I'm just putting this out there as an opinion, no need to personalise things. Obviously this forum is full of running evangelists, being one myself. Healthy to consider other opinions / studies sometime....

There's no personalization intended. If anyone believes their health is at risk they need to consult a medical practitioner and act according to medical advice. Basing life decisions on a Telegraph article seems like folly.

average_runner · 04-02-2015 1:13pm

Ososlo wrote: »

Say it were proven 100% to be true and we're all headed for early graves, would any of us stop/decrease our running right now? Doubt it!

To be honest, I would. Surely the time you spend with your family on this planet is more important than running if it cuts your life short.

Sure with that attitude why dont we all smoke, do drugs and drink crazy amount

PaulieC · 04-02-2015 1:19pm

average_runner wrote: »

Sure with that attitude why dont we all smoke, do drugs and drink crazy amount

Who says we don't ?

walshb · 04-02-2015 1:20pm

For the general population I would say 8-9 minute mile pace, or a comfortable pace (2-3 miles distance) 2-3 times per week would be ideal. Very difficult to nail this down. So many permutations, but hard running and intense running (as in really pushing yourself) that puts a lot of strain on the heart and lungs and muscles, and involves long recovery times for the normal joe soap is probably not advisable, and not healthy.

Ceepo · 04-02-2015 1:20pm

A case of correlation and causation I would think.

Another study found that a high % of the population put up an umbrella when it rains. But that doesn't mean that it rained because they put up there umbrella

adrian522 · 04-02-2015 1:23pm

They have based all this on 2 people dying up to 12 years later? With no idea how they died? It's a crazy small sample size to base anything at all on.

The sample size for Sedentary (over 400) is completely out of step with Strenuous exercise (40). All seems a bit ridiculous.

Pherekydes · 04-02-2015 1:25pm

The most recent comment on that Telegraph article:

Let me see if I understand their findings. In a study where they looked at 1098 joggers, 28 of them died (2.5%), and in the same time period out of the 413 healthy but sedentary non joggers 128 of them died (31%)....by my rough calculation that means that being healthy and sedentary means you are more than 12 times more likely to die than those who are active...... or am i missing something

walshb · 04-02-2015 1:35pm

This is a Bernard Manning article: "100 percent of non smokers fcu^ing die!"

adrian522 · 04-02-2015 1:41pm

Pherekydes wrote: »

The most recent comment on that Telegraph article:

They "adjust" for age. The average age of the non-runners was 61 so you would expect a higher number of deaths than for the runners where the average age was late 30's.

robinph · 04-02-2015 1:48pm

No amount of adjusting for age will compensate for a sample size of two deaths though. The study is a load of rubbish and proves nothing except that it is a pointless study... and that journalists will write any old rubbish to make a scare story.

Those two people died from unknown reasons as well. It is equivalent of saying
yesterday someone died in Dublin of natural causes, therefore Dublin is a dangerous place to be on a Tuesday.

PDCAT · 04-02-2015 1:49pm

By their reasoning, should the same not apply to all sports people who push their body to the limits? Example's. Cyclist, Boxers, GAA Players and many others.
All these sports people train just as many hours and would surely have intense sessions with raised heart rates.

menoscemo · 04-02-2015 1:52pm

PDCAT wrote: »

By their reasoning, should the same not apply to all sports people who push their body to the limits? Example's. Cyclist, Boxers, GAA Players and many others.
All these sports people train just as many hours and would surely have intense sessions with raised heart rates.

Yes of course. Sport is bad, being a couch potato is good.

Just the message that the western world needs to hear.......

walshb · 04-02-2015 1:57pm

PDCAT wrote: »

By their reasoning, should the same not apply to all sports people who push their body to the limits? Example's. Cyclist, Boxers, GAA Players and many others.
All these sports people train just as many hours and would surely have intense sessions with raised heart rates.

I'm sure it does relate to other cardio based and intense sports/pastimes. The article relates to the average man on the street, doesn't it?

average_runner · 04-02-2015 1:59pm

menoscemo wrote: »

Yes of course. Sport is bad, being a couch potato is good.

Just the message that the western world needs to hear.......

How much did the sugar companies contribute to this study?

Jog slowly and not more than 2.5hrs a week or it will KILL YOU

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