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Dublin West General Election - SEE MOD NOTE POST 19.

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  • #62
    chucknorris
    Registered Users Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    January, the same thing happened during the 2011 by-election. There was a Blanch hospital campaign created during the build up to the by-election by the socialists. It was dubbed the issue of the election, with demo's, public meetings, protests etc to save the hospital.

    They never engaged in it again since.

    That's not good enough as far as I'm concerned, but the electorate don't really see this for what it is.


  • #63
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 23,795 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    chucknorris wrote: »
    Is there an appetite for a strong independent representative?

    Some T.D's are hands off representatives. They go to the Dail and do what ever it is they do in there,

    Would it be good, bad or indifferent to have a T.D who is hands on locally as a T.D?

    Absolutely, and certainly for one to the right of Karl Marx.

    Patrick Nulty had some of that sort of profile, albeit he was on the left flank of Labour, then out of it, then took leave of his senses.

    A pragmatic centrist with a good base and local origins, not under a whip, would improve the mix locally i feel.


  • #64
    Murt10
    Registered Users Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Murt10


    Vote FF!!!

    Hell will freeze over before I ever vote for that crowd again.

    Mickey Martin, who sat at the Cabinet table all through the Celtic Tiger and the destruction of the Country, still at the head of the party. Things have changed !!! Really????

    The party should have dissolved and started again, or at the very least completely culled their leadership.

    I hope in the next election that the people of Dublin give FF the same number of TDs as they have right now.

    FF... F Off


  • #65
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    chucknorris wrote: »
    That's politics for you. It's ruthless.

    David will need to take stock of a few things before making any rash decisions. Running in a general election is not only demanding, it's also expensive.

    Essentially the work he does and did day to day since he was elected to the local council in 2009, at the age of 22, was basically him and him alone from a day to day point of view. In the by-election last year, none of the Castleknock FF membership (Or the Deerpark mafia as we know them :-), would assist the by-election campaign. They played the long game, by only canvassing and dropping leaflets for JC in the locals, with the hope that a strong enough vote in the Castleknock LEA would set-up a situation that happened last night at convention.

    What occurred last night is something that was feared might happen.

    There was and still is an opinion that Humpty Dumpty could run in castleknock for FF and command 2500 to 3000 votes. Outside Castleknock is a different proposition and that's where the real battle ground will be won and lost.

    Personally I think a strong Independent would be in demand in large swaths of Dublin west, so who knows.

    At 28, McGuinness has a long future ahead of him. Shouldn't make rash decisions. If FF don't take a seat in Dublin West next time out, he is in prime position to say "I told you so" and given the possible instability in the next government, it mightn't be five years before he gets another chance.


  • #66
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    chucknorris wrote: »
    I might offend some people by asking and suggesting otherwise, but here goes regarding existing TDs.

    Leo is not hands on locally, although I think he is an excellent and honest politician. He does not do the constituency stuff and doesn't wander in to local authority estates. he has his base and he'll stick to the hands off approach.

    Joan is definitely not in to the local stuff. She has been a career politician for a long time, but certainly not hands on.

    The two socialist TDs in Dublin west are also hands off the individual stuff. They do the big ticket protest items as opposed to the 101 day to day items, but again, they have a support based on the big protest agenda.

    Isn't that a good thing though?

    Shouldn't we be electing county councillors for the small everyday things and electing TDs to legislate and debate the big issues and not get involved in who is getting a medical card or local authority house?


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  • #67
    chucknorris
    Registered Users Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    Godge wrote: »
    Isn't that a good thing though?

    Shouldn't we be electing county councillors for the small everyday things and electing TDs to legislate and debate the big issues and not get involved in who is getting a medical card or local authority house?

    Yep, I agree with you. I'm not really referring to those Councillor level issues. D15 is a town in its self with a population in the region of 100,000 people.

    I just wonder if the elected TD's should also have a hands on approach to big issues in Dublin west that are not essentially national issues.


  • #68
    oblivious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭oblivious


    chucknorris wrote: »
    Yep, I agree with you. I'm not really referring to those Councillor level issues. D15 is a town in its self with a population in the region of 100,000 people.

    I just wonder if the elected TD's should also have a hands on approach to big issues in Dublin west that are not essentially national issues.

    There is a chance that the next government will be FG and Independents, just saying


  • #69
    wardie101
    Registered Users Posts: 192 ✭✭wardie101


    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mcguinness-critical-of-ff-candidate-selection-31026268.html


  • #70
    chucknorris
    Registered Users Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    wardie101 wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mcguinness-critical-of-ff-candidate-selection-31026268.html

    Essentially members votes were 'secured'. Not only that, their membership was renewed and paid for by a prominent individual and more.

    Of course I've to be careful in what I say. ;)


  • #71
    oblivious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭oblivious


    chucknorris wrote: »
    Essentially members votes were 'secured'. Not only that, their membership was renewed and paid for by a prominent individual and more.

    Of course I've to be careful in what I say. ;)

    Why even have the vote, it looks like he could never win


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  • #72
    chucknorris
    Registered Users Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    oblivious wrote: »
    Why even have the vote, it looks like he could never win

    You have to let them shaft you. Give them the rope.

    The people that voted against him, refused to assist him in the by-election last year. Instead they worked to get their man as high as they could in votes to allow what happened on Wednesday to happen.

    IN that process last year, they could have brought Edward McManus over the line, but shafted him too. Edward left the party soon after and joined Sinn Fein.

    During the by-election, the chambers camp had more local election posters on polls than any of the by-election candidates such is the resources available.

    The real interesting thing was, what the Chamebrs crew received from the Castleknock LEA, was identical to what David McGuinness received in the same area, at the same time, in the by-election.

    That tells you the FF vote is fairly even at around 2650 votes in that area. The question is, will they lose any of that vote in the GE?


  • #73
    Sid7
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭Sid7


    Politics is a dirty game, if he can’t take it, he should play another game. He lost. He knew it was a dirty game before he signed up to enter Poiltics. That's the way it goes. He should stop crying and move on.


  • #74
    chucknorris
    Registered Users Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    Sid7 wrote: »
    Politics is a dirty game, if he can’t take it, he should play another game. He lost. He knew it was a dirty game before he signed up to enter Poiltics. That's the way it goes. He should stop crying and move on.

    I think he is moving on.


  • #75
    Sid7
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭Sid7


    chucknorris wrote: »
    I think he is moving on.

    Good luck to him. He's a young man. He's hard working, though that should be expected. I'm sure he will go Independant. Something he probably should have done long ago. FF wanted Chambers and that's the bottom line.


  • #76
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,834 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    ChuckNorris has never hid who he is. And you may notice that it's mostly 'normal' people voicing their bemusement.

    Ive been keeping an eye on all the general muppetry that goes on behind the scenes in D15 politics, particularly on Facebook and Twitter, and the tone of your post is strangely familiar.

    Put your money where your mouth is and tell us who you are, or are you just happy mud slinging with nothing constructive to add to the discussion?



    Edit, dang it and my slow typing, I'm sure the person involved knows who the post was aimed at.


  • #77
    Arciphel
    Registered Users Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Arciphel


    Well I saw the post when it was still there, and I'm fairly sure the person who posted it said who they were?


  • #78
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 47,273 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    They did. However they also breached the site's Terms of Use regarding the naming of other posters, so the post was removed.


  • #79
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,834 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Did they name themselves? If so, don't know how I missed it.


  • #80
    Rosser
    Registered Users Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Rosser


    Does anyone know if Edward McManus has now joined SF? Unlikely move but I'm certain I saw him in a picture of a canvassing team around Carpenterstown.


  • #81
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 47,273 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    Rosser wrote: »
    Does anyone know if Edward McManus has now joined SF? Unlikely move but I'm certain I saw him in a picture of a canvassing team around Carpenterstown.

    Yeah, chucknorris mentioned that he joined them in this post.


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  • #82
    chucknorris
    Registered Users Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    Edward worked hard in the locals and didn't receive any support from what he thought was his own supporters (as in local party members).

    When Edward decided not to renew his membership, a fair number of members also did the same. The local party was parachuted with a hefty number of new people.

    The final thing about that, before I move on to different matter is as follows:

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/eoghan-harris/fgs-binary-strategy-is-bad-for-our-democracy-31030753.html

    "Fianna Fail's lack of bottle for battle was shown at the selection conference in Dublin West. The clear choice should have been Councillor David McGuinness, a young fighter from a working-class area who flew the Fianna Fail flag during dark days and kept Sinn Fein under pressure.

    But the convention chose Jack Chambers, a medical student from posh Castleknock.

    Fianna Fail delegates wanted their own doctor, their own media-friendly Leo Vardakar. My hunch is that both Fine Gael and Fianna Fail will be disappointed.    "


  • #83
    FalconGirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 874 ✭✭✭FalconGirl


    How is Chambers going to represent the people of Dublin West to the best of his ability while he is in medical school? To put it simply he wont be able to. He'll be an absent T.D. in the unlikely event he is elected.

    Utter bull****, I despise FF but from the outside can see how hard McGuinness works and really feel for the chap. He deserved his 2016 shot. If that failed they should have lined a graduated Chambers up for 2021.


  • #84
    holly_johnson
    Registered Users Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭holly_johnson


    In noticed that McGuinness' sticky poster has been scraped off the window of his proposed clinic office in the old AIB in main street. Has he decided whether to leave FF?

    I missed his interview on the radio the other day, must see if I can find a link to the podcast, I'd love to listen to it.

    Very surprised re Jack Chambers getting the nod. When he called to my door for the local elections, he was very poor at demonstrating knowledge of Blanchardstown issues, the Fingal CoCo Development plan for the village or his intentions for office other than the reduction in property tax. When I questioned him re FF & the past, he stuttered and had no answer. An older man (his Dad?) stepped in to try & save his bacon, but the damage was well done.

    A weak and immature candidate IMO and if he's still studying in college how on earth does he think he can also work the hours required to be a TD?

    Not that I'm a FF voter, just thought it was interesting.


  • #85
    Morag
    Registered Users Posts: 8,423 ✭✭✭Morag


    http://www.dublinpeople.com/article.php?id=4618&l=100

    "POPULAR FIanna Fail councillor David McGuinness believes he was “shafted” by a core bunch of Fianna Fail members at last week’s party convention to select a candidate for the next general election."


  • #86
    wildlifeboy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭wildlifeboy


    holly_johnson wrote: »
    In noticed that McGuinness' sticky poster has been scraped off the window of his proposed clinic office in the old AIB in main street. Has he decided whether to leave FF?

    I missed his interview on the radio the other day, must see if I can find a link to the podcast, I'd love to listen to it.

    Very surprised re Jack Chambers getting the nod. When he called to my door for the local elections, he was very poor at demonstrating knowledge of Blanchardstown issues, the Fingal CoCo Development plan for the village or his intentions for office other than the reduction in property tax. When I questioned him re FF & the past, he stuttered and had no answer. An older man (his Dad?) stepped in to try & save his bacon, but the damage was well done.

    A weak and immature candidate IMO and if he's still studying in college how on earth does he think he can also work the hours required to be a TD?

    Not that I'm a FF voter, just thought it was interesting.

    couldnt have put it better myself...its laughable but i am VERY glad they chose him because theres no chance in hell he'll get in. i too questioned him in detail on various topics. i laughed him off my doorstep.


  • #87
    Grudaire
    Registered Users Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭Grudaire


    wildlifeboy wrote: »
    couldnt have put it better myself...its laughable but i am VERY glad they chose him because theres no chance in hell he'll get in. i too questioned him in detail on various topics. i laughed him off my doorstep.

    Unfortunately there's every chance he'll be elected. There's a lot of strong candidates in the constituency, and transfers ate hard won.

    Unless voters decide to transfer to Joan i think he'll get in comfortably.


  • #88
    wildlifeboy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭wildlifeboy


    Grudaire wrote: »
    Unfortunately there's every chance he'll be elected. There's a lot of strong candidates in the constituency, and transfers ate hard won.

    Unless voters decide to transfer to Joan i think he'll get in comfortably.

    but he's fianna fail, are there many that many dumbass's in D15? Surely not! If Fianna Fail get in I am never voting again. Are people really that stupid? do tyhey not have any memory? do they liked being robbed blind, lied to shafted? I dont


  • #89
    chucknorris
    Registered Users Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    holly_johnson wrote: »
    In noticed that McGuinness' sticky poster has been scraped off the window of his proposed clinic office in the old AIB in main street. Has he decided whether to leave FF?

    I missed his interview on the radio the other day, must see if I can find a link to the podcast, I'd love to listen to it.

    Very surprised re Jack Chambers getting the nod. When he called to my door for the local elections, he was very poor at demonstrating knowledge of Blanchardstown issues, the Fingal CoCo Development plan for the village or his intentions for office other than the reduction in property tax. When I questioned him re FF & the past, he stuttered and had no answer. An older man (his Dad?) stepped in to try & save his bacon, but the damage was well done.

    A weak and immature candidate IMO and if he's still studying in college how on earth does he think he can also work the hours required to be a TD?

    Not that I'm a FF voter, just thought it was interesting.

    Clinics will be confined to resource centers in respective communities as the resources to keep the office open are impossible under the circumstances.

    He has a lot of soul searching to do. It was a right kick in the teeth last week.


  • #90
    holly_johnson
    Registered Users Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭holly_johnson


    chucknorris wrote: »
    Clinics will be confined to resource centers in respective communities as the resources to keep the office open are impossible under the circumstances.

    He has a lot of soul searching to do. It was a right kick in the teeth last week.

    Oh I bet he does. Not surprised he can't afford the rent on the place now, although I presumed he signed a lease.

    It's a strange state of affairs. Kind of proves that FF are running scared with a year to go. It'll be interesting to see how young Chambers attempts to raise his profile outside of leafy Castleknock into Blanch village and the rest of the constituency.

    The constituency is becoming more and more Castleknock biased. If you exclude SF & AAA (which I thoroughly intend to do), Varadkar, Coughlan (please God no), Chambers et al from the more mainstream parties are all from that area. Makes it pretty plain whose votes matter to these parties and that they think all of the rest of us are a bunch of "radical" loons.


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  • #91
    chucknorris
    Registered Users Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    holly_johnson wrote: »
    Oh I bet he does. Not surprised he can't afford the rent on the place now, although I presumed he signed a lease.

    It's a strange state of affairs. Kind of proves that FF are running scared with a year to go. It'll be interesting to see how young Chambers attempts to raise his profile outside of leafy Castleknock into Blanch village and the rest of the constituency.

    The constituency is becoming more and more Castleknock biased. If you exclude SF & AAA (which I thoroughly intend to do), Varadkar, Coughlan (please God no), Chambers et al from the more mainstream parties are all from that area. Makes it pretty plain whose votes matter to these parties and that they think all of the rest of us are a bunch of "radical" loons.

    I genuinely think there is a spot in the GE for a middle of the road independent to run. You hit the nail on the head in that there are two to the very right (that the decision dictated), in FF and FG and two to the very left in SF and socialists.

    Labour is a hard one to work out. Might people go back to Burton to avoid going so far to the left and refuse to go so far to the right?


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