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Avoiding Carbs, is this healthy/good/too much?

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  • #122
    generic2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭generic2012


    boredatwork82 wrote: »
    This is my most popular of thread on boards ever. Delighted with that.
    I think the big thing is to find out what works for you. There is no 1 size fits all diet. You take some advice try it. If it works you keep it, if it doesn't you try something else.
    Last week I ate porridge in the morning. I felt great last week, this week I have substituted porridge with eggs and salad. I don't feel as great. Maybe I need to keep a small element of carbs in my diet.

    An element of everything. Just keep the calories in check.


  • #123
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    generic2012 wrote: »
    An element of everything. Just keep the calories in check.

    That is not good advice. An element of everything (everything in moderation) is the message we've been told for the last 50 years. Has it worked? To advise someone who is trying to lose weight that a bit of everything is fine simply makes it much more difficult to lose weight. If they do succeed the likelihood is that the element of everything will result in the weight going back on.


  • #124
    generic2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭generic2012


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    That is not good advice. An element of everything (everything in moderation) is the message we've been told for the last 50 years. Has it worked? To advise someone who is trying to lose weight that a bit of everything is fine simply makes it much more difficult to lose weight. If they do succeed the likelihood is that the element of everything will result in the weight going back on.

    You're insane. How can you blame the advice? People don't do it, there's nothing wrong in advice. Cop on.


  • #125
    conzy
    Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    That is not good advice. An element of everything (everything in moderation) is the message we've been told for the last 50 years. Has it worked? To advise someone who is trying to lose weight that a bit of everything is fine simply makes it much more difficult to lose weight. If they do succeed the likelihood is that the element of everything will result in the weight going back on.

    This is simply untrue. The best "diet" is one that can be adhered to in the long term, a lot of us who are very interested in training and nutrition can find strict diets tough. How long is average joe going to stick it out if he has to eliminate most foods?

    People need to eat more dietary fat, the low fat diets have caused more harm than good. But people do not need to eliminate carbs and their favourite foods

    You can be strong / lean and healthy and still eat a snickers or a bap every day


  • #126
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    conzy wrote: »
    This is simply untrue. The best "diet" is one that can be adhered to in the long term, a lot of us who are very interested in training and nutrition can find strict diets tough. How long is average joe going to stick it out if he has to eliminate most foods?

    People need to eat more dietary fat, the low fat diets have caused more harm than good. But people do not need to eliminate carbs and their favourite foods

    You can be strong / lean and healthy and still eat a snickers or a bap every day

    All you are eliminating is processed foods containing grains and sugar, i.e. 3/4 of the supermarket.

    So there is not enough food choice for the average person in meat, fish, dairy, eggs, veg, fruit, nuts, seeds, spices? What is strict about that.

    Yes you can but there is no need to consume a snickers bar / bap if you eat properly.


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  • #127
    Essien
    Registered Users Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Essien


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Yes you can but there is no need to consume a snickers bar / bap if you eat properly.

    And there's no need not to if you can fit it into your diet while still achieving your goals.


  • #128
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,499 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    That is not good advice. An element of everything (everything in moderation) is the message we've been told for the last 50 years. Has it worked?

    Yes it works. Its when people don't eat in moderation that there are issues.


  • #129
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,548 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    The OED just called, Bruno. They're updating the definition of 'irony':
    Bruno26 wrote: »
    That is not good advice.


  • #130
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    The OED just called, Bruno. They're updating the definition of 'irony':

    How was it ironic?

    An element of everything could mean eating mostly crap in the belief it's good for you.


  • #131
    Essien
    Registered Users Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Essien


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    An element of everything could mean eating mostly crap in the belief it's good for you.

    Could...if you're a fcuking idiot...but nobody here is advocating that.


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  • #132
    Typer Monkey
    Registered Users Posts: 941 ✭✭✭Typer Monkey


    Maybe we should just ignore Bruno? It seems every thread is descending into a row due to his nonsense. I know regular posters here feel a responsibility to refute his more outrageous claims but maybe if everyone just resisted the urge we might hear a little less of said nonsense?


  • #133
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,548 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    How was it ironic?

    An element of everything could mean eating mostly crap in the belief it's good for you.

    If people feel they could adjust their eating habits without too much tweaking, e.g. adjusting portion size, you'll get a lot more buy in than if they think they have to change their diet completely so that they eat exactly like you.

    I have given lectures, if that adds any weight to my post...


  • #134
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,499 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Typer Monkey wrote: »
    Maybe we should just ignore Bruno? It seems every thread is descending into a row due to his nonsense. I know regular posters here feel a responsibility to refute his more outrageous claims but maybe if everyone just resisted the urge we might hear a little less of said nonsense?

    Then you'd have new users or casual readers seeing his bullsh1t statements and taking them as truth.


  • #135
    Typer Monkey
    Registered Users Posts: 941 ✭✭✭Typer Monkey


    Yeah I know what you're saying. It's so frustrating


  • #136
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    Typer Monkey wrote: »
    Maybe we should just ignore Bruno? It seems every thread is descending into a row due to his nonsense. I know regular posters here feel a responsibility to refute his more outrageous claims but maybe if everyone just resisted the urge we might hear a little less of said nonsense?

    What nonsense and outrageous claims have I written about?


  • #137
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    If people feel they could adjust their eating habits without too much tweaking, e.g. adjusting portion size, you'll get a lot more buy in than if they think they have to change their diet completely so that they eat exactly like you.

    I have given lectures, if that adds any weight to my post...

    No it doesn't.

    That would depend on what you've said in lectures, who you are lecturing for and to what audience, what you've been educated on, how well read you are, what you believe to be true, do you have vested interests, etc.


  • #138
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,499 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    What nonsense and outrageous claims have I written about?

    Eating at a surplus will not cause you to put on weight as long as you do not eat sugar or wheat.

    ^^ that one.


  • #139
    diarmuid05
    Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭diarmuid05


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »

    I have given lectures, if that adds any weight to my post...


    I think that's his point...

    The people that were giving the lectures for 30 years were wrong.....


  • #140
    diarmuid05
    Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭diarmuid05


    diarmuid05 wrote: »
    I think that's his point...

    The people that were giving the lectures for 30 years were wrong.....


    Of course that would include Tim Noakes


  • #141
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Eating at a surplus will not cause you to put on weight as long as you do not eat sugar or wheat.

    ^^ that one.

    Incorrect. I never said that. Get your facts right.
    Sugar (including fruit), all grains, limit starchy veg and certain nuts. You can eat a surplus and you will not get fat if you follow a hflc way of eating. If you are fat you will lose fat. That is what I said.


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  • #142
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    diarmuid05 wrote: »
    Of course that would include Tim Noakes

    Indeed- he was also wrong. He's been very honest and has openly admitted that.


  • #143
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,548 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    No it doesn't.

    That would depend on what you've said in lectures, who you are lecturing for and to what audience, what you've been educated on, how well read you are, what you believe to be true, do you have vested interests, etc.

    I have many leather bound books.

    I've read more than one of Dostoyevsky's works.

    I have no vested interests.


  • #144
    diarmuid05
    Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭diarmuid05


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    I have many leather bound books.

    I've read more than one of Dostoyevsky's works.

    I have no vested interests.


    Have you ever been wrong?:D


  • #145
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,548 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Indeed- he was also wrong. He's been very honest and has openly admitted that.



  • #146
    Oryx
    Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Every day I come on to this forum. Every day I see the same people having the same debate, across multiple threads. I'm tired of it. Other posters are tired of it.

    So this is it. It stops now. If you guys want to argue this same thing everyday, all day long, by all means do so, but dont do it here. WE GET IT. Bruno doesnt like carbs.

    From here on in, on topic, relevant and not repetitive are the watchwords to bear in mind when posting. This kind of petty ongoing debate will get you banned.


  • #147
    ford2600
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    I've read more than one of Dostoyevsky's works.

    I call bull**** :)

    Name all three Karamazov brothers without cheating...


  • #148
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,499 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Incorrect. I never said that. Get your facts right.
    Sugar (including fruit), all grains, limit starchy veg and certain nuts. You can eat a surplus and you will not get fat if you follow a hflc way of eating. If you are fat you will lose fat. That is what I said.

    You are full of sh1t bruno. You said exactly that you spoofer.
    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Weight will be lost due to elimination of sugar & grains and therefore most carbs also. Eat over daily calorie amount and you will still lose fat

    Here are some more nonsense claims you made.
    Bruno26 wrote: »
    My point us you can eat more calories than put out and nit gain weight but actually lose and maintain weight
    Bruno26 wrote: »
    it's not possible to get fat from green veg
    Bruno26 wrote: »
    You cannot get fat from eating too much meat, fish, butter, cream veg, some fruit, some nuts

    edit: sorry mod, i was putting this together before you posted.


  • #149
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,548 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    ford2600 wrote: »
    I call bull**** :)

    Name all three Karamazov brothers without cheating...

    Des, Johnner and I forget the other one.

    Tommo


  • #150
    popolive
    Closed Accounts Posts: 166 ✭✭popolive


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    Des, Johnner and I forget the other one.

    Tommo

    What about Waxer Karamazov and Paddy Joe Karamazov ?


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  • #151
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    You are full of sh1t bruno. You said exactly that you spoofer.

    I'm not and I'm no spoofer. That's an intelligent way to win an argument. Well done.

    You changed something I said. You've just proven I've been consistent. Thanks.

    I stand over all of what I said. It works for me. I firmly believe it would work for anyone.


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