Book recommendations thread

anymore · 16-09-2011 11:26am

Dave! wrote: »

Has Robert Fisk got any books that are less than 1000 pages?

Anything less is merely the introduction !
Well seriously, his book ' The Age of The Warrior', papaer back version is only 498 pages long. Though this is only ' Selected Writings' from his journalism.

Watchdog 1 · 24-09-2011 10:42am

Peoples Association Watchdog (PAW) is growing steadily. We are challenging the government and its dealings with the IMF and the Banks. It needs good conscientious people with passion and good ideas who will help get this country back for the people and get the changes in the political system that we voted for in the election. Not for one that will continue to sell us out. Check it out over on Facebook and join in. All ideas are welcome and if you think you have positive input then please get involved. :mad:

Pete_Cavan · 24-09-2011 11:07am

What is this Peoples Association over whom you are the Watchdog?

Watchdog 1 · 24-09-2011 12:58pm

Mission: To call attention to what politicians do and say for, and on behalf of, the country and call them on it.

Aim: To get a better, fairer, more reliable and dependable Government body steering Ireland into the future.

We hope to highlight one issue per month, whereby we all contribute to actions and/or solutions, depending on the issue in question. This may mean contacting the relevant people via email, letter or phone; it may mean travelling, it may also mean going live on air to have our say.
PAW is continuously growing and monitoring government bodies and is linked with many other groups on Facebook. The fastest and easiest way for you to find out all details regarding PAW is to visit it on Facebook. Then if you want to be part of it join and if you don't that is your right. But just to say if you are like most other people in the country, fighting to keep your head above water then you could possibly have something to add that may help PAW with its endeavours. PAW is a voluntary group of people trying to get what is right for the people of Ireland. I could go on here but I have a lot better things to do. You can go to Facebook where you will see all the members and what is happening. From your location it seems you live where we all live so you have similar neighbours.

Rick_nl · 24-09-2011 1:16pm

Hi Pete,

This is a short description of the People's Association Watchdog is about.

Mission: To call attention to what politicians do and say for, and on behalf of, the country and call them on it.

Aim: To get a better, fairer, more reliable and dependable Government body steering Ireland into the future.

We hope to highlight one issue per month, whereby we all contribute to actions and/or solutions, depending on the issue in question. This may mean contacting the relevant people via email, letter or phone; it may mean travelling, it may also mean going live on air to have our say.

We are all in this together; each member is as valuable as the next. Some of us are expert in ideas, some in communications, some in intellect, and some in politics. We are a wide ranging talented group of people and we should use that to our advantage.

PAW is not a big group yet. This is mainly because we are predominantly on Facebook for now, and not everyone who is interested in our national affairs are connected to FB. So we are looking for ways to spread the word.
That is why Watchdog1 put the message on here.

You might have heard of the protest yesterday (sept 23) in Dublin concerning the Allsop Auctioning House in the Shelbourne Hotel (http://www.independent.ie/national-news/protester-fears-his-own-home-will-be-sold-off-2886401.html and http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/group-protests-sale-of-repossessed-homes-521754.html) PAW and New beginnings organised this protest, and got media attention.

We are sending out public letters, they get published by now, so we ARE being noticed.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/letters/moratorium-needed-on-new-petroleum-licences-166550.html

Anyone can and should initiate a political campaign they feel strongly about, and as a group, we seek to provide further information and solutions.

Currently there are several workgroups initiated from PAW:

If you would like to get active on an issue, there are several working groups formed, we are trying to compile information to inform opurselves and others, promote awareness and campaign for change.

Accountability

Advocate Network
Informed national network of people who are willing to act as advocates for those in distress and who have available to them, media contacts and network of support if the person so wishes. Also working on solutions to mortgage debt.

Protect Our Natural Resources
Please add your name if you would like to be part of a working group who will research and campaign against the sale oand expoitation of our resources.

Consitutional Challenges

Irish Seas, Irish Fishing

Human rights for people with a disability

Sale of State Assets

I took out the links to these workgroups as I don't want to be seen spamming Boards.ie
But if you are interested in what we do please come and find us on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/p.a.watchdog/

Hope this gave you a bit more info Pete

iamstop · 07-10-2011 6:20pm

Sorry if there is a thread for this already, I expected one but didn't see one.

Anyway,
Here is the press release:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/occupy-dame-street/occupy-dame-street-press-release-03102011/298752803474749

I'm heading in to take photos and see what it is all about.

Anyone else?

The Waltzing Consumer · 07-10-2011 6:24pm

Another SWP or Shell to Sea front?

They wanted us to follow Greece last time into the abyss, here is another great idea.

iamstop · 07-10-2011 6:27pm

I don't think this has anything to do with SWP to Shell to Sea. This is more along the lines of the Occupy Wall Street stuff you may not have heard about due to such diligent reporting.

JustinDee · 07-10-2011 6:29pm

"Either you obstruct, in the only form left to us, which is civil disobedience, the plundering by the criminal class on Wall Street and accelerated destruction of the ecosystem that sustains the human species, or become the passive enabler of a monstrous evil"

Oh pass the sick bucket.
What do you expect the government to actually do to re-boot the economy? Flip an imaginary switch?

You'll find that this country was quite complicit in the crashing of economy. From the bankers sapping what they could to the pillock consumer who borrowed way beyond their means and credit-carded all they could get.
Nobody forced anyone at gunpoint to do what they all did.

Dame St isn't a financial district either.

Sand · 07-10-2011 6:31pm

Im always bemused by how slavishly the hardcore Irish activist/socialist left imitate American fashions and trends whilst simultaneously being vocally anti-american in viewpoint. Though again, theyre just imitating internal US dissidents in that too.

The Waltzing Consumer · 07-10-2011 6:32pm

iamstop wrote: »

I don't think this has anything to do with SWP to Shell to Sea. This is more along the lines of the Occupy Wall Street stuff you may not have heard about due to such diligent reporting.

Eh, it has been in every major newspaper, news websites and state and commerical broadcasters, it is on youtube and many commentary sites so no need to swipe at the diligent reporting, if you follow news, it has been reported so is that diligent reporting a swipe at an invisible journalist?

It just sounds like another SWP or S2S front, they have millions, they will hop on any bandwagon and the language is very similar, ignorant, hypocritical and ill-informed

lolo62 · 08-10-2011 6:01pm

I just got back from Occupy Dame St...Ive never been an activist on anything else but felt I had to go along and support this movement today..there was a real mix of people which was great. all ages, nationalities and backgrounds were represented in the crowd, not just the rebels and hardcores. glad i went and will be going back

The Waltzing Consumer · 08-10-2011 6:17pm

It's central bank on a saturday, you have the kids/teens hanging out there every saturday so it makes it look busier.

Went past it anyway, surprise f**king surprise, it is another SWP front group, from the makers of people before profit, just another front.

Very low numbers if any really, about thirty or fourty people.

Next weeks SWP front group:
"people before Ireland getting beaten in the world cup" protest outside the Welsh and New Zealand embassies.

lolo62 · 08-10-2011 6:27pm

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

It's central bank on a saturday, you have the kids/teens hanging out there every saturday so it makes it look busier.

Went past it anyway, surprise f**king surprise, it is another SWP front group, from the makers of people before profit, just another front.

Very low numbers if any really, about thirty or fourty people.

Next weeks SWP front group:
"people before Ireland getting beaten in the world cup" protest outside the Welsh and New Zealand embassies.

its only the start and the crowd was at least twice that when i left...it really wasnt politically driven, there were all sorts there alright handing out flyers for various parties but people werent interested, the majority of people i spoke to were there as part of the 99% who've had enough...

The Waltzing Consumer · 08-10-2011 6:31pm

lolo62 wrote: »

its only the start and the crowd was at least twice that when i left...it really wasnt politically driven, there were all sorts there alright handing out flyers for various parties but people werent interested, the majority of people i spoke to were there as part of the 99% who've had enough...

Were they social welfare hippies or the 9/11 tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy loons? Sorry man, these guys make Joe Higgins look like Thatcher. I went past it, they are loons, they have zero clue about finance, macro or micro economics, the majority don't work, they live off welfare and play bongo drums, smoke hash and their version of "fighting the man" is to be not able to provide for themselves or families.

The slogans are nice, you are probably nice, but these guys are losers.

lolo62 · 08-10-2011 6:42pm

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Were they social welfare hippies or the 9/11 tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy loons? Sorry man, these guys make Joe Higgins look like Thatcher. I went past it, they are loons, they have zero clue about finance, macro or micro economics, the majority don't work, they live off welfare and play bongo drums, smoke hash and their version of "fighting the man" is to be not able to provide for themselves or families.

The slogans are nice, you are probably nice, but these guys are losers.

i get what youre saying...i was worried heading in today it was going to be the usual suspects clowning around and that element was there but in their defense i dont have a clue about finance/economics etc and neither does the average joe, several people today got up and said they were there to learn and there was a big emphasis on conversation, thats why i think its important for everyone to get involved..you dont have to love the hippie-bongo element to take part

The Waltzing Consumer · 08-10-2011 6:50pm

lolo62 wrote: »

i get what youre saying...i was worried heading in today it was going to be the usual suspects clowning around and that element was there but in their defense i dont have a clue about finance/economics etc and neither does the average joe, several people today got up and said they were there to learn and there was a big emphasis on conversation, thats why i think its important for everyone to get involved..you dont have to love the hippie-bongo element to take part

Get involved and take part in what?

you say you don't have a clue about finance/economics yet you are willing to support some group you have never heard of, all who had zero idea of the things they are protesting and thereby, occupy central bank?

Is that not a bit silly? If they all start jumping in a naked gay pile, are you gonna join that too?

Listen, you will meet tons of people who were duped by a SWP front group at one time or another, this is their way of making a living, this is their life, you will realise how awful they are in your own time and when you do, don't stress about it, they prey on ignorance, youth, disenfranchised etc., much like a cult.

lolo62 · 08-10-2011 7:05pm

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Get involved and take part in what?

you say you don't have a clue about finance/economics yet you are willing to support some group you have never heard of, all who had zero idea of the things they are protesting and thereby, occupy central bank?

Is that not a bit silly? If they all start jumping in a naked gay pile, are you gonna join that too?

Listen, you will meet tons of people who were duped by a SWP front group at one time or another, this is their way of making a living, this is their life, you will realise how awful they are in your own time and when you do, don't stress about it, they prey on ignorance, youth, disenfranchised etc., much like a cult.

i wasnt supporting any group i was there as an individual supporting the movement of individuals coming together to protest against some of the injustices

so far 'they' (i really dont think the SWP organised this) are the only group ive come across who are prepared to organise a taking to the streets demonstration that is not politaclly motivated

I appreciate the heads up on the SWP..I had noticed posters of theirs before inviting people to 'festivals' and the like and I am wide to it
.. totally agree with you that groups prey on people in times like this but I refuse to become cynical because of it

you seem to have some knowledge on the issues at play here so why not join in and educate people on what you know and help make sure politics dont take over?

blahfckingblah · 08-10-2011 9:02pm

would angelsea street not have been a more appropriate setting? or even the IFSC?

lolo62 · 09-10-2011 11:43am

blahfckingblah wrote: »

would angelsea street not have been a more appropriate setting? or even the IFSC?

i guess so but i figured dame street was chosen as its central...there were a lot of people there who just came across it yesterday and wouldnt have known otherwise

LaBaguette · 10-10-2011 9:24pm

What's the story with not allowing politicians in, or not wanting politics to be part of it ? Surely the economy, the recession that struck Ireland and the subsequent loss of jobs have a lot to do with politics ?

hebden · 08-12-2011 4:49am

We're trying to garner support for a new force in Irish politics based on libertarian principles.

Socially liberal and fiscally conservative.
Anyone interested let me know.

cdsb46 · 08-12-2011 5:03am

Would be very interested, have being thinking about doing it myself for some time

hebden · 08-12-2011 5:08am

Excellent stuff. Tell anyone you know who is libertarian in their thinking as well.

hebden · 08-12-2011 5:19am

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Libertarian-Party-of-Ireland/274464402603763

The Scientician · 08-12-2011 5:20am

hebden wrote: »

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Libertarian-Party-of-Ireland/274464402603763

Ron Paul isn't Irish.

hebden · 08-12-2011 5:21am

I know that but he's probably the most prominent libertarian in the world right now. Also the page was only created a few minutes ago.

The Scientician · 08-12-2011 6:53am

OK should I bother arguing with you about Libertarianism or?

hebden · 08-12-2011 6:54am

Best not mess up the thread with back and forths

Benny_Cake · 08-12-2011 8:36am

Coming from the left here, don't want to burst your bubble, but..

Do you really think there is an appetite for a libertarian party in Ireland? The closest we had were the PD's, and even they did better when they abandoned their principles and ran gombeen men such as Tom Parton. I have never, ever heard anyone espousing libertarian ideas in Ireland apart from online.

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