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Garden Moths 2012

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  • #242
    jmkennedyie
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    V_Moth wrote: »
    Could the third one be a Garden Carpet by any chance?
    Yes, I think you are right. There were 2 other Garden Carpet that night but saw some silver-ground pics today somewhere that looked quite similar and got me rethinking. However silver-ground doesn't seem to have as equally dark a band on wings near the base (shoulders) as this example does. Thanks.


  • #243
    Half-cocked
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    19 species last night including my first Lesser Broad-bordered Underwings of the season. Found this Carcina quercana on the sitting room carpet:

    picture.php?albumid=1912&pictureid=13630

    And this on the side of the shed, I think the alternata variant of Common Carpet?

    picture.php?albumid=1912&pictureid=13629


  • #244
    V_Moth
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    Half-cocked wrote: »

    And this on the side of the shed, I think the alternata variant of Common Carpet?

    picture.php?albumid=1912&pictureid=13629

    This is an odd one all right. Could it be a Marbled Carpet? The closest picture I could find online that resembles this are the two moths on the top row of this collage:

    http://www.irishmoths.net/images/moths/m-1764a4.jpg


  • #245
    Half-cocked
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    Hmmmm. My wife is in favour of Common Marbled Carpet too. I shall wait for MM's opinion!


  • #246
    Mothman
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    thebishop wrote: »
    The Campion x 1 (Might be Lychnis:confused:)
    It is campion. Lychnis never has a purple hue which is obvious in Fresh Campion and can just be seen in this one.
    littlebug wrote: »
    2 micros I'm having trouble with.
    The plain one is quite worn. I think 1111 Bactra lancealana is likely.
    The black & white one is 1197 Eucosma campoliliana
    jmkennedyie wrote: »
    1708 Single-dotted Wave x1
    1794 Sharp-angled Carpet x1
    Also, from a night early July a Silver-ground Carpet?


    Here was the Large Yellow Underwing pic from last week I deleted ... followed by what I have convinced myself to be the same species from last night, orangey underwing when fluttering and the forewing 25mm giving me some confidence :)...famous last words...!!
    V_Moth is right with Garden Carpet:)
    ps actually wing folding right over left also matches the guide book - can that be used as identification characteristic? Thanks.
    No! :) The same moth can fold them either way.
    V_Moth wrote: »
    This is an odd one all right. Could it be a Marbled Carpet? The closest picture I could find online that resembles this are the two moths on the top row of this collage:

    http://www.irishmoths.net/images/moths/m-1764a4.jpg
    Half-cocked wrote: »
    Hmmmm. My wife is in favour of Common Marbled Carpet too. I shall wait for MM's opinion!
    Way off the money. Size hasn't been mentioned, but if it was small, like smaller than a usual Marbled Carpet, then it is Barred Rivulet. If it was too large for this, then its back to drawing board.

    Speaking of Marbled carpet, it is now the season of Dark Marbled carpet. Look up guide book to separate DMC and CMC. Some CMC can look like DMC by upper wing markings!


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  • #247
    Half-cocked
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    Mothman wrote: »
    Size hasn't been mentioned, but if it was small, like smaller than a usual Marbled Carpet, then it is Barred Rivulet. If it was too large for this, then its back to drawing board.

    It was quite small, maybe FW 10-12mm


  • #248
    V_Moth
    Registered Users Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭V_Moth


    Mothman wrote: »
    Way off the money. Size hasn't been mentioned, but if it was small, like smaller than a usual Marbled Carpet, then it is Barred Rivulet. If it was too large for this, then its back to drawing board.

    Speaking of Marbled carpet, it is now the season of Dark Marbled carpet. Look up guide book to separate DMC and CMC. Some CMC can look like DMC by upper wing markings!

    Looking at HC's picture, I knew there were a couple of features that didn't quite match for Marbled Carpet or Garden Carpet (eg the three dark brown cross lines half way along the wing), but despite looking through the field guide several times, I didn't consider Barred Rivulet.

    Looking at it now it's a feeling of "Oh, well of course".

    Last nights catch in the garden:

    -Lesser BBYU (1)
    -Mottled Beauty (3)
    -Large Yellow Underwing (1)
    -Common Rustic agg (1)
    -Dun-bar (1)


  • #249
    Half-cocked
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    V_Moth wrote: »
    Looking at it now it's a feeling of "Oh, well of course".

    Me too. Must look more carefully and not get distracted by colour. My one was quite brown compared to the field guide illustration.


  • #250
    thebishop
    Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭thebishop


    There were a few Moths about on Friday night despite the full Moon and thunder showers.Even managed to hold onto a few micros.
    Poplar Hawk-moth x 2
    Little Emerald x 2
    Spectacle x 1
    Small Phoenix x 1
    Large Yellow-underwing x 3
    Lesser Broad-bordered Yellow-underwing x 2
    Uncertain x 1
    Common Rustic x 1
    Light Brown Apple moth x 1
    Canary- Shuldered Thorn x 1
    Campion x 2
    Willow Beauty x 1
    Epagoge Grotiana x 1
    Celypha Lacunana x 1
    Pleurota Bicostella x 1.


  • #251
    Half-cocked
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    Help! Can't ID this one, FW about 14mm.

    picture.php?albumid=1912&pictureid=13673


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  • #252
    Mothman
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    Half-cocked wrote: »
    Help! Can't ID this one, FW about 14mm.
    Shaded Broad-bar


  • #253
    Half-cocked
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    Mothman wrote: »
    Shaded Broad-bar

    I should have known that, have a photo of one from last year...


  • #254
    littlebug
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    :( Would have been my first Buff Arches. I need to get out of bed earlier.

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  • #255
    Half-cocked
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    littlebug wrote: »
    :( Would have been my first Buff Arches. I need to get out of bed earlier.

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    I'll bet either a Wren or a Robin, they seem to be experts at latching on to moth traps.


  • #256
    Mothman
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    littlebug wrote: »
    :( Would have been my first Buff Arches. I need to get out of bed earlier.
    I would log it.

    I record wing fragments from bat roosts.


  • #257
    littlebug
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    Half-cocked wrote: »
    I'll bet either a Wren or a Robin, they seem to be experts at latching on to moth traps.


    "Who me?"

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    The culprit! I was out earlier this morning so no mothless wings lying around but he/ she found me anyway and hung around, getting as close as 1 metre away, waiting for moths to fly (and quite a few did) and taking note of my hiding places! Island Robins are very brazen!
    I have 3 nights of moth trapping notes and 200+ photos from here to sift through with lots of micros and pugs so it's going to take a while! In the meantime here's one that I really want to be 1511 Merrifieldia Tridactyla but wanting won't make it so and I don't know if it can be differentiated from 1510 Merrifieldia Leucodactyla.

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  • #258
    Half-cocked
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    I opened my skinner trap one morning and a Wren came zooming out of it! Scared the daylights out of me.


  • #259
    V_Moth
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    Moths from the ECNR last night:

    -Drinker (8)
    -Lesser Swallow Prominent (2)
    -Yellow-tail (2)
    -Lesser BBYU (3)
    -Poplar Hawkmoth (1)
    -Smoky Wainscot (4)
    -Barred Red (1)
    -Common Rust (4)
    -July Highflyer (1)
    -Common Footman (4)
    -Burnished Brass (1)
    -Small Magpie (1)
    -Small Phoenix (1)
    -Yponomeuta spec (1)
    -Miller (1)
    -Small FF Wave (1)
    -Straw Dot (1)
    -Ypsolopha dentella (1 / To be confirmed)

    A good night with 18 or 19 species. The Miller was a lifer and I have never trapped as many Drinkers before.

    Plenty of Butterflies and Dragonflies on the reserve this morning: Small White, Large White, GV White, Meadow Brown, Peacock, Common & Holly Blue, Speckled Wood / Emperor Dragonfly (2 +2 in tandem), Common Hawker, Common & Ruddy Darters, Blue-tailed Damsel, Azure Bluet.

    Notable birds: Crossbill (sev heard), Curlew, Buzzard (1), Sparrowhawk.


  • #260
    Half-cocked
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    27 species last night, all the usual suspects. 13.9 deg C.

    Is this an Ear Moth? FW 16mm.

    picture.php?albumid=1912&pictureid=13680

    Also, is this a Common Wave or a very faded Riband Wave? FW 15mm. This is the actual colour, not an overexposed shot.

    picture.php?albumid=1912&pictureid=13681


  • #261
    V_Moth
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    I am pretty sure the first is an Ear Moth agg. , but I think the second one may be a Common White Wave. The lower crossbands look too straight for Ribiand Wave to me.

    Last night in the garden:

    -Large Yellow Underwing (2)
    -Lesser Yellow Underwing (1)
    -Mottled Beauty (2)
    -Dark Spectacle (1)
    -Common/Smoky Wainscot (1)
    -Scalloped Oak (1)

    The Dark Spectacle is new for the site and my first since 2010. Also some additions and corrections from yesterdays ECNR moths:

    -White-line Dart (1?)
    -July Highflyer (2 - not 1)

    [Some photos from yesterday added to the Recent Photos thread]

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  • #262
    Mothman
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    V_Moth wrote: »
    I am pretty sure the first is an Ear Moth agg. , but I think the second one may be a Common White Wave. The lower crossbands look too straight for Ribiand Wave to me.
    Spot on
    Last night in the garden:

    -Large Yellow Underwing (2)
    -Lesser Yellow Underwing (1)
    -Mottled Beauty (2)
    -Dark Spectacle (1)
    -Common/Smoky Wainscot (1)
    -Scalloped Oak (1)
    I'm only getting Smoky at moment with the odd Southern thrown in though Common Wainscot can turn up throughout the Summer.


  • #263
    V_Moth
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    Mothman wrote: »
    Spot on


    I'm only getting Smoky at moment with the odd Southern thrown in though Common Wainscot can turn up throughout the Summer.

    Thanks. I checked it again later and it turned out to be a Smoky. Didn't realise Southern occurred in Wicklow - will have to check the Wainscots in the ECNR more carefully.

    In the garden this morning:

    -Riband Wave (3)
    -Large Yellow Underwing (2)
    -Lesser BBYU (1)
    -Common Rustic agg (1)
    -The Uncertain (1)
    -Mottled Beauty (1)
    -Blastobasis spec (4)*

    Highest count of Riband Wave for the site. *Probably Blastobasis adustella.


  • #264
    Half-cocked
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    Mothman wrote: »
    I'm only getting Smoky at moment with the odd Southern thrown in though Common Wainscot can turn up throughout the Summer.

    Just revisiting some of my records of Wainscots and would like opinions on the pic below. I had it down as Common but looking again at flight seasons and the posts above, I'm wondering if it is Smokey? Trapped regularly between 13th July and 10th August.

    picture.php?albumid=1912&pictureid=13685


  • #265
    thebishop
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    Lots of Moths about on Friday night,not alot of species. Temp was still 20c at 3am.
    True Lovers Knot x 6
    Spectacle x 3
    Flame Shoulder x 14
    Straw Dot x 1
    Smoky Wainscot x 2
    Small Fan-footed Wave x 1
    Snout x 1
    Magpie x 1
    Flame Carpet x 2
    Dark Arches x 2
    Burnished Brass x 3
    Uncertain x 1
    Light Brown-apple Moth x 9
    Brown House Moth x 1
    Scoparia Ambigualis x 1
    Large Yellow Underwing x 12
    Lesser Broad-bordered Yellow Underwing x 39
    Lesser Yellow Underwing x 6


  • #266
    SmokeyEyes
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    Newbie on this thread, love moths but only discovering this corner of Boards for the first time:)

    This little guy came in last night, looked him up and found out he's a magpie moth which seems common enough but neither of us had ever seen one, he's beautiful:)

    magpie.png


  • #267
    V Bull
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    A Brimstone Moth I think..

    BrimstoneMoth.jpg

    A Sharp-angeled Carpet I think..

    Sharp-angledCarpetMoth.jpg


  • #268
    V_Moth
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    V Bull wrote: »
    A Brimstone Moth I think..

    A Sharp-angeled Carpet I think..

    Yes on both counts. In the garden this morning:

    -Large Yellow Underwing (7)
    -Common Rustic (1)
    -Square-spot Rustic (1)
    -Heart and Dart (1)
    -Blastobasis adustella (3)
    -Carcina quercana (1)
    -Hawkmoth spec. (1)

    The Carcina was new for the site, while the Square-spot is new for 2012. Also, the first Hawkmoth for the garden, seen at dusk last night buzzing around. From what little I saw of it, I suspect it may have been a Hyles species, but wouldn't be 100% sure.


  • #269
    littlebug
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    I saw a Deaths Head Hawk Moth yesterday... pinned ;) They're HUGE!!!:eek: It would be some shock to find one in the trap. Anyone ever seen a live one?


  • #270
    trebor28
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    Mothman, or anyone else for that matter.

    last night i happened across a moth, fairly normal one, maybe 3/4 of an inch long, mostly brown wings with a design on it.

    but it had some amber/orange on its abdomen.

    i only saw this when it was walking along flapping its wings as they do. not sure was it all orange or parts or stripes or whatever.

    i tried to do a google search but didnt see anything similar.

    anyone shed any light on it?


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  • #271
    Half-cocked
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    Sounds like a Yellow Underwing of some sort - going by size I'd guess Lesser Yellow Underwing.


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