Dublin Airport Development 2014

Dublinflyer · 31-01-2014 10:14am

The flights is generally segregated and there is a lot of extra security involved.

relaxed · 31-01-2014 2:29pm

Dublinflyer wrote: »

The flights is generally segregated and there is a lot of extra security involved.

Why so? If they can't conform to the same standards as everybody else why not just them to shag off?

Is there a scheduled service from Israel to Ireland?

eusap · 31-01-2014 5:07pm

markpb wrote: »

Can someone explain this? What special arrangements do Israeli flights need?

In Brussels airport the Israel flights normally get escorted from the runway to the gate by Armed Police and a Firetruck. While it is parked at the gate the police and fire brigade stay with it until it departs again.

LoonyLovegood · 31-01-2014 11:13pm

Is the risk of terrorism that great on an Israeli flight?

drdeadlift · 31-01-2014 11:59pm

yip

Irish Steve · 01-02-2014 12:03am

Dublinflyer wrote: »

The problem with having an area for "quick pickups" of passengers is that you get the five minute brigade taking it over and ending up sitting there for 20 minutes. It also leads to people stopping and waiting for a space to come free and clog up the approach road and that will delay everyone and is just dangerous.

That's easily dealt with, There are already airport police patrols, move on the 5 minute brigade, if the person that's being collected is not standing there, then they are not collecting, so send them round the circle again.

At least if there is somewhere to collect, it makes it possible to come in and out again without having to mess about trying to find somewhere behind the car park for people to get into a vehicle without hitting doors off fences.

A few less DAA vehicles parked on the departure road would also help considerably, but the real improvement would be to make the centre lane of departures the through lane, with the left and right sides being the set down area, that way, there's only one lane to move into, from either side, and there's a walkway for children to be put on and kept safe, the present cock up is an accident waiting to happen.

The other shambles is the pedestrian crossing across the departure road, it would make far more sense to have passengers coming from the car park on a different level altogether. Passengers exiting terminal side go in through the doors of the terminal. Passengers exiting on the car park side would go into the car park foyer, and then use the link that is segregated from the traffic. That way, the traffic on the departure road will flow, and it might even be feasible in that scenario, it might even be possible to allow pick up from the outer lane of departures.

Irish Steve · 01-02-2014 12:10am

markpb wrote: »

Can someone explain this? What special arrangements do Israeli flights need?

Israel brings in their own security, who are airside cleared, and have their own radio equipment with them. They have their own personnel in the check in area, who will interview a percentage of the people travelling on the flight, they are in the baggage hall where the bags come down for loading, and as it it not possible to guarantee that all bags will arrive in the designated bin, they insist that the bin used is next to the "rejected" bin, so if any bags are not correctly sorted, they arrive in the bin next to the flight, so the security checker sees them all being handled, and all bags from the hall to the aircraft are escorted to the aircraft, and if a bag falls off the dolly, it has to go back to the terminal to be rescanned before it can be loaded.

They have staff at the baggage loading point, and no loaders or baggage handlers are allowed to enter any part of the aircraft if they are carrying any form of radio equipment, which the lead agent of the team and the dispatch agent would have to have in order to be able to contact the ramp control.

The Israeli security is even tighter than American flight security, they have similar checks, but not to the same degree.

Razor44 · 01-02-2014 12:28am

is that just for el Al or all frights from Israel? I know dublin has a charter flight in the summer from Israel, so does it apply there as well?.

interesting point it was a 757-300....last year.

urajoke · 01-02-2014 3:32am

Razor44 wrote: »

is that just for el Al or all frights from Israel? I know dublin has a charter flight in the summer from Israel, so does it apply there as well?.

interesting point it was a 757-300....last year.

It's a good few years since they flew in, it's done by Arkia now.

Locker10a · 01-02-2014 4:05am

Razor44 wrote: »

is that just for el Al or all frights from Israel? I know dublin has a charter flight in the summer from Israel, so does it apply there as well?.

interesting point it was a 757-300....last year.

EL aL have their own security they provide themselves ! But not for much longer if you ask me! Its costs them an arm and a leg and makes them very uncompetitive against other airlines so they will have to cut back!

roundymac · 01-02-2014 6:56pm

eusap wrote: »

In Brussels airport the Israel flights normally get escorted from the runway to the gate by Armed Police and a Firetruck. While it is parked at the gate the police and fire brigade stay with it until it departs again.

I'v seen the same thing in Berlin.

Irish Steve · 02-02-2014 1:32am

urajoke wrote: »

It's a good few years since they flew in, it's done by Arkia now.

It was Arkia back when I was working on it, but the security was Israeli Government as far as I know, nothing to do with ElAl as such.

Jhcx · 02-02-2014 3:57am

So from the current layout of planned proposals. T1 looks like its going to be under a lot of stress. there's No way it can cater for all those gates. Would need a serious overhaul. There's plenty of desks just not enough space for queuing. Security would be a disaster at peak times not to mention the duty free valley is not exactly a mile wide.

Thats just my opinion i can understand T2 handling it ok, because its airy and spacious and has a fine big security area. but lacks desks. T1 just doesnt have that space to allow greater flow.

urajoke · 02-02-2014 9:09am

Irish Steve wrote: »

It was Arkia back when I was working on it, but the security was Israeli Government as far as I know, nothing to do with ElAl as such.

Why are you quoting me? I'm just saying its Arkia who fly in now not EL AL

lord lucan · 02-02-2014 11:20am

Jhcx wrote: »

So from the current layout of planned proposals. T1 looks like its going to be under a lot of stress. there's No way it can cater for all those gates. Would need a serious overhaul. There's plenty of desks just not enough space for queuing. Security would be a disaster at peak times not to mention the duty free valley is not exactly a mile wide.

Thats just my opinion i can understand T2 handling it ok, because its airy and spacious and has a fine big security area. but lacks desks. T1 just doesnt have that space to allow greater flow.

T1 is about to undergo a huge redevelopment which will eliminate the street as we know it. The retail area will be a much wider area that you walk through and a higher ceiling giving a greater feeling of space. The plans for it look great,there'll even be an orientation area right after security where pax can get their stuff together before proceeding onwards,eliminating the current situation were pax are causing congestion as they get their clothing/belts/jewellery etc back on.

Khuitlio · 02-02-2014 12:46pm

lord lucan wrote: »

T1 is about to undergo a huge redevelopment which will eliminate the street as we know it. The retail area will be a much wider area that you walk through and a higher ceiling giving a greater feeling of space. The plans for it look great,there'll even be an orientation area right after security where pax can get their stuff together before proceeding onwards,eliminating the current situation were pax are causing congestion as they get their clothing/belts/jewellery etc back on.

Don't suppose you have any of the plans or pictures of what it is going to be like?

lord lucan · 02-02-2014 1:14pm

Khuitlio wrote: »

Don't suppose you have any of the plans or pictures of what it is going to be like?

The plans have only been seen internally. Here's an article that features some artists impressions of the proposed retail area and some info on it.

http://www.moodiereport.com/document.php?c_id=6&doc_id=38037

Jhcx · 02-02-2014 2:46pm

Oh that's great to hear. Curious though where are they going to get all the extra room or is that why the shops are vacant already on facing wall?

Irish Steve · 02-02-2014 3:45pm

urajoke wrote: »

Why are you quoting me? I'm just saying its Arkia who fly in now not EL AL

I was quoting you because it matters not if it's ElAl, or Arkia that operates the flight, once the flight is Israeli, then the appropriate security measures are taken by the Israeli state system to provide the additional security that they deem appropriate.

lord lucan · 02-02-2014 3:53pm

Jhcx wrote: »

Oh that's great to hear. Curious though where are they going to get all the extra room or is that why the shops are vacant already on facing wall?

Most of the other concessions,Dixon's,house of Ireland for example are moving further up and the daa is taking that space along with the old easons space,butlers,and the toilet block opposite sunglass hut.

urajoke · 02-02-2014 3:53pm

Irish Steve wrote: »

I was quoting you because it matters not if it's ElAl, or Arkia that operates the flight, once the flight is Israeli, then the appropriate security measures are taken by the Israeli state system to provide the additional security that they deem appropriate.

Right well I was only pointing out who operated the flight I wasn't talking about security.

Khuitlio · 26-02-2014 6:45pm

Any word on Ethiopian coming to Dublin? Tewolde GebreMariam, CEO of Ethiopian Airlines who suggested ADD-DUB-LAX is going to be back again for the CAPA Airlines in Transition Summit. Don't suppose any news is likely?

jamo2oo9 · 26-02-2014 7:07pm

Did we have ADD-DUB-LAX route before? I don't recall Ethiopian flying to Dublin or maybe I'm wrong?

Khuitlio · 26-02-2014 7:35pm

Sorry I meant that Tewolde GebreMariam was going to be back in Dublin again, he was here in January to attend the Annual Airfinance Conference in Dublin, and it was then that he suggested that Ethiopian were planning ADD-DUB-LAX.

Recording of Tewolde GebreMariam talking about the new route:
http://www.4shared.com/mp3/ZgFk7R89ce/Tewolde_Gebremariam_-_Plans_to.html

He'll back back in Dublin in a week or so and I was just wondering if we can expect and more news on the route?

Khuitlio · 23-04-2014 12:40pm

Seems like they're beginning to make progress on the redesign of the airside retail area of terminal 1.

https://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/14-04-22/Retail_Development_Programme_In_Terminal_1.aspx

LoonyLovegood · 23-04-2014 3:57pm

I saw that when I went through a couple of weeks ago. Most of the shops opposite the security area are closed and moved.

Jack1985 · 23-04-2014 6:49pm

Great to see DUB booming these days, throws the ludacris MOL idea of an empty T2 right out the window - Don't know which I find better in that regard. :P

kravmaga · 23-04-2014 8:12pm

dubdaymo wrote: »

Irish Steve has just about summed up the DAA in a few sentences. Total incompetence and a lack of any knowledge of how to run an airport. The omission I was referring to was the crosswind runway. The need to have one at DUB was never more demonstrated than in recent times.

You mean runway 16/34?

Aer Rianta CPT used to manage the airports when I worked in the airport back in the day.

They spent £55 million punts at the time building Pier C , only to knock it down years later to make way to built Terminal 2, what a waste of taxpayers money, lack of planning and foresight even back in the late 1990's.

Jack1985 · 23-04-2014 8:16pm

It should be noted the DAA does not use taxpayers money, common misconception.

kravmaga · 23-04-2014 9:55pm

Did I mention DAA, eh no I did not.

Aer Rianta developed PIER C in late 1990's, I worked there and have knowledge of what went on at the time.

You work for the current monolith that is DAA I take it?

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/65298?condense_comments=true&userlanguage=ga&save_prefs=true

Dublin Airport Development 2014

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