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Cork GAA Discussion Thread
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You are dead right in saying that.If we meet Clare in the Semifinal it will be a very ,very close game.Clare might not have beaten Cork since 98 in the championship ,but it wont matter a damn to them,its a new Clare team that has been very successful the last few years at underage.They also won the Waterford Crystal Cup this year,it may be seen as a minor trophy,but the fact remains they won silverware at senior.We have won nothing at all.The days of Clare teams been in awe of Cork are long gone.mr bungle. wrote: »we are far from guaranteed.
Thats of course if they beat waterford.Ger Cunningham the ex newtown coach is helping them in training.Most teams he has been involved in,they have had success so he will get the best out of them.
Another adavantage that Cork don't have is they will be stone cold come June.
The winners of that game will have had the advantage of having a game under their belt and will have momentum.Unless we get to the final of the league,we wont have had a competive game in arounds 8 weeks.
A lot of road has to be travelled before we can dream of contesting the Munster Final never mind win it outright.0 -
Cussen is injured afaik.
Amazing how he is not so injured that he can't go on the piss according to earlier posts here. I was in stitches cause myself and the wife saw him in town last week with Patrick Horgan. He was limping one minute and the next he was grand. All in his head. Delighted the team did so well without him.....useless donkey.0 -
Sean Og: Donal Og still had something to offer
26 February 2013
Cork's Donal Og Cusack
Sean Og O hAilpin thinks Donal Og Cusack should have been retained in the Cork squad.
Both veterans are out in the cold as manager Jimmy Barry-Murphy focuses on building a new team for the future, but O hAilpin believes his former team-mate could bring a lot to the Rebel County fold:
"Maybe you're asking the wrong person because I've been a great friend and team-mate of Dónal Og over the years ... definitely a fella like him would still have been needed in the Cork set-up, I felt.
"It's not like they have too many other experienced fellas around, and the fact that he was injured last year and worked hard to get himself fit and challenge the other goalkeepers, I thought he was worth keeping for that reason.
"At the end of the day, we're not the manager, we don't make the calls.
"Jimmy's in the position and he's entrusted with doing the right thing, and if he thought it was the right thing, so be it."
Good old Sean Og as hypocritical as ever. When Gerald McCarty (and Dennis Walsh to a lesser extent) was in charge he seemed to think he could make the calls and didn't think they were doing the right thing.
Also did he not retire? It says here he's been let ''out in the cold''0 -
Sean Og was entirely right in what he said.0
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Sean og has said nothing thats wrong there.Sean Og: Donal Og still had something to offer
26 February 2013
Cork's Donal Og Cusack
Sean Og O hAilpin thinks Donal Og Cusack should have been retained in the Cork squad.
Both veterans are out in the cold as manager Jimmy Barry-Murphy focuses on building a new team for the future, but O hAilpin believes his former team-mate could bring a lot to the Rebel County fold:
"Maybe you're asking the wrong person because I've been a great friend and team-mate of Dónal Og over the years ... definitely a fella like him would still have been needed in the Cork set-up, I felt.
"It's not like they have too many other experienced fellas around, and the fact that he was injured last year and worked hard to get himself fit and challenge the other goalkeepers, I thought he was worth keeping for that reason.
"At the end of the day, we're not the manager, we don't make the calls.
"Jimmy's in the position and he's entrusted with doing the right thing, and if he thought it was the right thing, so be it."
Good old Sean Og as hypocritical as ever. When Gerald McCarty (and Dennis Walsh to a lesser extent) was in charge he seemed to think he could make the calls and didn't think they were doing the right thing.
Also did he not retire? It says here he's been let ''out in the cold''
He admited it was a diffcult question for himself to answer,considering he and Donal Og are buddies since minor,nearly 20 years ago.He said like many feel,Cusack still has a lot to offer to Cork but at the end of the day JBM is the Manager.
This is completely different to the time of Gerald Mccarthy and Denis Walsh and the decisions that were made.
Gerald Mccarthy had 2 years with the team,made no progress and told the players that he would not be going for a second term.Sean og nor any player had no issue up to then,the fact that he then decided he would go another 2 years after clearly making no progress with a team backboned with all ireland winners created the problems.He did not even win a Munster title.
Denis walsh was questioned and rightly so as he singled out Sean og by omitting him from the squad,there was no other players dropped bar him.Sean og still had a lot to offer as a squad player.The fact he was dropped with no logic behind it,was the issue.
JBM's culling of the old guard has been completley different.I would not have agreed with all of the decisions but I will say he has been fair across the board as he has omitted a few players and not just one.He dropped Martin Coleman,from the panel too,and he did not let the fact he won the 3 in row with he's father cloud he's judgment.There has been consistency with Jbm,not random calls like Walsh made during he's term.
Sean og made the point that this is the 2nd year with JBM and JBM is starting to make he's own mark on the team with youth and widely accepted that a lot of the old gang will not be around at the end of the 3 year term.He kept the old players their last year to build a solid foundation as Cork were in an awful place,due to 4 bad years of poor management.He was the one who brought Sean og back, so their is mutal respect on both sides.You are less likely to question somebody when you respect and belive in them.Sean og respects JBM cause JBM respects him.It is a 2 way process. JBM always said this was a three year plan.This is the next phase of it.
While i may not agree with JBMS decision to drop Cusack,it is clear that JBM is going with youth and has the proven track record from Minor in 95 and Senior 99 to be given the benefit of the doubt,and that is why many players while they may not agree with all of the decisions,their is a respect and belief in JBM that he earned,unlike the years under Walsh and Gerald Maccarthy.0 -
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Thinkstoomuch wrote: »Sean og has said nothing thats wrong there.
He admited it was a diffcult question for himself to answer,considering he and Donal Og are buddies since minor,nearly 20 years ago.He said like many feel,Cusack still has a lot to offer to Cork but at the end of the day JBM is the Manager.
This is completely different to the time of Gerald Mccarthy and Denis Walsh and the decisions that were made.
Gerald Mccarthy had 2 years with the team,made no progress and told the players that he would not be going for a second term.Sean og nor any player had no issue up to then,the fact that he then decided he would go another 2 years after clearly making no progress with a team backboned with all ireland winners created the problems.He did not even win a Munster title.
Denis walsh was questioned and rightly so as he singled out Sean og by omitting him from the squad,there was no other players dropped bar him.Sean og still had a lot to offer as a squad player.The fact he was dropped with no logic behind it,was the issue.
JBM's culling of the old guard has been completley different.I would not have agreed with all of the decisions but I will say he has been fair across the board as he has omitted a few players and not just one.He dropped Martin Coleman,from the panel too,and he did not let the fact he won the 3 in row with he's father cloud he's judgment.There has been consistency with Jbm,not random calls like Walsh made during he's term.
Sean og made the point that this is the 2nd year with JBM and JBM is starting to make he's own mark on the team with youth and widely accepted that a lot of the old gang will not be around at the end of the 3 year term.He kept the old players their last year to build a solid foundation as Cork were in an awful place,due to 4 bad years of poor management.He was the one who brought Sean og back, so their is mutal respect on both sides.You are less likely to question somebody when you respect and belive in them.Sean og respects JBM cause JBM respects him.It is a 2 way process. JBM always said this was a three year plan.This is the next phase of it.
While i may not agree with JBMS decision to drop Cusack,it is clear that JBM is going with youth and has the proven track record from Minor in 95 and Senior 99 to be given the benefit of the doubt,and that is why many players while they may not agree with all of the decisions,their is a respect and belief in JBM that he earned,unlike the years under Walsh and Gerald Maccarthy.
It was Gerald Mccarthy's call if he wanted to stay on again or not was it not? Had nothing to do with Sean Og or anyone else did it?
It was also Dennis Walsh's call to drop who ever he wants for what ever reasons he wants, the way Sean Og and Cork people in general made out Sean Og was the only player to ever be dropped from an intercounty team.
No one has questioned JBM for dropping Martin Coleman, was there any reason given for that? Cant remember if there was one or not. But if not how is it any different?0 -
It was Gerald Mccarthy's call if he wanted to stay on again or not was it not? Had nothing to do with Sean Og or anyone else did it?
It was also Dennis Walsh's call to drop who ever he wants for what ever reasons he wants, the way Sean Og and Cork people in general made out Sean Og was the only player to ever be dropped from an intercounty team.
No one has questioned JBM for dropping Martin Coleman, was there any reason given for that? Cant remember if there was one or not. But if not how is it any different?
Here we go again. More flutes desparate to seek offence.
btw Sean Og was clearly one of Cork's best hurlers when DW axed him off the squad. We ended up with no recognised no.7 to the extent that Brian Murphy had play the league there.Anyone justifing that move knows nothing about hurling.0 -
It was Gerald Mccarthy's call if he wanted to stay on again or not was it not? Had nothing to do with Sean Og or anyone else did it?
They gave Gerald 2 years,and no progress was made.Cork had gone backwards in those 2 years.It did not work out with Gerald,if he had left then there would of be no problems with the players.They would of said he tried he's best but time to move on.
They had every right to question the decision of him staying on for another 2 years.These are the guys breaking blood, sweat and tears 9 months of the year.They came from a Culture of winning and contesting all irelands to not even be able to win games in Munster.Sean og is out running on xmas day or working in the ball alley when everyone else is enjoying christmas.He had every right to question the direction of the team under Gerald Mac.
There would of been questions asked when Coleman was dropped,as with Cusack injured Cork had no expierence in reserve if Nash got injured.Coleman was dropped after a poor league final,JBM decided to go with youth with MCcarthy as reserve keeper.
Denis Walsh dropped Sean Og for no reason given when he still had a lot to offer and like the other poster said,we had no ready made replacement.That was the issue.Sean og proved how valuable he was last year ,playing well in a new midfield role and also made a huge difference when scoring a match winning point against Waterford in the Quater Final.
That shows even at the end of he's career he was still valuable to Cork.
It showed Denis Walsh was wrong to drop him as there was no logic given.He was made a scapegoat.Unlike Walsh,Jbm has dropped several players as he is going for youth.
Last year Sean og said after Cork beat Waterford in the League ,in which he scored a point from midfield,that he even felt himself that he would not be around on the next Cork team to win the All ireland.That acceptance is the reason why he did not question JBM.He knew youth was a big part of JBM's plan.
Sean og has been a wonderful servant to Cork and was a gentleman on and off the field.The great reaction that the Cork crowd gave him when he scored the point against Waterford in he's comeback game in the League and also when he scored against them in thurles in the quater final shows just how highly the Cork supporter's think of him.0 -
Thinkstoomuch wrote: »
It was Gerald Mccarthy's call if he wanted to stay on again or not was it not? Had nothing to do with Sean Og or anyone else did it?
They gave Gerald 2 years,and no progress was made.Cork had gone backwards in those 2 years.It did not work out with Gerald,if he had left then there would of be no problems with the players.They would of said he tried he's best but time to move on.
They had every right to question the decision of him staying on for another 2 years.These are the guys breaking blood, sweat and tears 9 months of the year.They came from a Culture of winning and contesting all irelands to not even be able to win games in Munster.Sean og is out running on xmas day or working in the ball alley when everyone else is enjoying christmas.He had every right to question the direction of the team under Gerald Mac.
There would of been questions asked when Coleman was dropped,as with Cusack injured Cork had no expierence in reserve if Nash got injured.Coleman was dropped after a poor league final,JBM decided to go with youth with MCcarthy as reserve keeper.
Denis Walsh dropped Sean Og for no reason given when he still had a lot to offer and like the other poster said,we had no ready made replacement.That was the issue.Sean og proved how valuable he was last year ,playing well in a new midfield role and also made a huge difference when scoring a match winning point against Waterford in the Quater Final.
That shows even at the end of he's career he was still valuable to Cork.
It showed Denis Walsh was wrong to drop him as there was no logic given.He was made a scapegoat.Unlike Walsh,Jbm has dropped several players as he is going for youth.
Last year Sean og said after Cork beat Waterford in the League ,in which he scored a point from midfield,that he even felt himself that he would not be around on the next Cork team to win the All ireland.That acceptance is the reason why he did not question JBM.He knew youth was a big part of JBM's plan.
Sean og has been a wonderful servant to Cork and was a gentleman on and off the field.The great reaction that the Cork crowd gave him when he scored the point against Waterford in he's comeback game in the League and also when he scored against them in thurles in the quater final shows just how highly the Cork supporter's think of him.
So it was all McCarty's fault? Not the players who were the ones actually playing? Never heard them take any of the blame
Sean Og was poor in 2010 cleaned out in the league final and from what i remember in the semi final that year so maybe Dennis Walsh was basing it on that? Like i said plenty of players are dropped of county teams without reasons why should Sean Og think he should be different? Also whats the say there was a reason given and Sean Og just didn't say? Maybe Dennis Walsh was trying to blood new players and didn't want Sean Og in his plans? IS that so strange?
Seems to me it was just another excuse for him to undermined another manger, making comments about how they would do nothing that year etc0 -
I'm not so sure I understand why someone would get so upset over what some ex-player says.
For me, players giving actual opinions beyond "Ah shur, lucky enough, we got the breaks on the day shur. Well look, now we'll go back and get focussed again for the next day shur" is something to be welcomed if not begged for in an era where players have been gagged to a massive degree.
Someone like Sean Og - whose quotes above are extremely tame by the way, perhaps seek anger management - obviously have insight and are bound to have opinions, the rare times a guy is honest enough to actually share them with the rest of us plebs we should be glad of it for entertainment value if nothing else.
If you don't think there's any value whatsoever in hearing the opinion of a great player on an interesting time in hurling for the county he played for grand, don't read it or whatever and let the rest of us get on with enjoying reading it. Acknowledge that maybe you're not interested in hearing about hurling from anyone else including a bona fide expert on the subject of Cork hurling, maybe you're only interested in telling people what you think about it.
The "undermine the manager" stuff is lolworthy melodrama - if you think O'Halpin's comments will make a percent of a percent of a difference to the performance of any of Cork's individuals or the panel as a whole you're having an absolute laugh.0 -
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Thinkstoomuch wrote: »
So it was all McCarty's fault? Not the players who were the ones actually playing? Never heard them take any of the blame
Sean Og was poor in 2010 cleaned out in the league final and from what i remember in the semi final that year so maybe Dennis Walsh was basing it on that? Like i said plenty of players are dropped of county teams without reasons why should Sean Og think he should be different? Also whats the say there was a reason given and Sean Og just didn't say? Maybe Dennis Walsh was trying to blood new players and didn't want Sean Og in his plans? IS that so strange?
Seems to me it was just another excuse for him to undermined another manger, making comments about how they would do nothing that year etc
SEAN OG OHALPIN WAS ONE OF CORK BEST PLAYERS IN 2010. END OF STORY. ONE POOR LEAGUE GAME DOESN'T CHANCE THAT FACT.TO SUGGEST OTHERWISE OUTS YOUR AS A COMPLETE BLUFFER!
AND FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST WILL YOU EVER LEAVE THE STRIKES AND ALL THAT STUFF BEHIND YOU. IT WAS YRS AGO AND YOU STILL AND BITTER, TWISTED AND ANGRY AS FCUK? SERIOUSLY, GET A LIFE AND COP ON.0 -
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Yes Damien Hayes roasted sean Og in the League final. Bear in mind there was 14 other players that done no better that Sunday Eveining in thurles.If Walsh had worrys then he would of dropped him there and then.Thinkstoomuch wrote: »
So it was all McCarty's fault? Not the players who were the ones actually playing? Never heard them take any of the blame
Sean Og was poor in 2010 cleaned out in the league final and from what i remember in the semi final that year so maybe Dennis Walsh was basing it on that? Like i said plenty of players are dropped of county teams without reasons why should Sean Og think he should be different? Also whats the say there was a reason given and Sean Og just didn't say? Maybe Dennis Walsh was trying to blood new players and didn't want Sean Og in his plans? IS that so strange?
Seems to me it was just another excuse for him to undermined another manger, making comments about how they would do nothing that year etc
The fact remains he was superb two weeks later against Tipp when himself,Curran and gardiner destroyed the tipp half forward line.He held John o Brien to 2 points and even did a stint on Noel Mcgrath.
He was one of Corks best performer's in the defeat to Kilkenny later on in the year.
Its best to deal with what we know are the facts,and not if their was a another reason etc that Walsh omitted him.
If he was blooding a new guy with a future in the Cork Jersey fair enough but the evidence shows he played Brian murphy there,a corner back by nature.
Yes plenty players get dropped from Intercounty teams,but very few of the Calibre of Sean og.The fact he had 2 years left and was not even on the Squad was the issue.Cadogan tweeted straight after Donal og was omitted expressing he disagreed with the move.Many other former players within and outside of Cork have done the same.Sean og said he did not agree with the calls but he acknowledged it was Jbm decison to make.Nothing wrong with that Comment or out of the ordinary.0 -
willietherock wrote: »
I agree the strikes are in the past and should be left there but it will be back in the public eye, when it will be relived again in a few weeks in tg4 on Laochra Gael,Gerald Maccarthy is on it.He talks about the strikes.Their best forgotten.
SEAN OG OHALPIN WAS ONE OF CORK BEST PLAYERS IN 2010. END OF STORY. ONE POOR LEAGUE GAME DOESN'T CHANCE THAT FACT.TO SUGGEST OTHERWISE OUTS YOUR AS A COMPLETE BLUFFER!
AND FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST WILL YOU EVER LEAVE THE STRIKES AND ALL THAT STUFF BEHIND YOU. IT WAS YRS AGO AND YOU STILL AND BITTER, TWISTED AND ANGRY AS FCUK? SERIOUSLY, GET A LIFE AND COP ON.0 -
I'm not so sure I understand why someone would get so upset over what some ex-player says.
For me, players giving actual opinions beyond "Ah shur, lucky enough, we got the breaks on the day shur. Well look, now we'll go back and get focussed again for the next day shur" is something to be welcomed if not begged for in an era where players have been gagged to a massive degree.
Someone like Sean Og - whose quotes above are extremely tame by the way, perhaps seek anger management - obviously have insight and are bound to have opinions, the rare times a guy is honest enough to actually share them with the rest of us plebs we should be glad of it for entertainment value if nothing else.
If you don't think there's any value whatsoever in hearing the opinion of a great player on an interesting time in hurling for the county he played for grand, don't read it or whatever and let the rest of us get on with enjoying reading it. Acknowledge that maybe you're not interested in hearing about hurling from anyone else including a bona fide expert on the subject of Cork hurling, maybe you're only interested in telling people what you think about it.
The "undermine the manager" stuff is lolworthy melodrama - if you think O'Halpin's comments will make a percent of a percent of a difference to the performance of any of Cork's individuals or the panel as a whole you're having an absolute laugh.
So when he made the comment about Cork not doing anything that year had nothing to do with the fact he had just been dropped of the panel and he wasnt undermining Dennis Walsh by his comments?0 -
willietherock wrote: »
SEAN OG OHALPIN WAS ONE OF CORK BEST PLAYERS IN 2010. END OF STORY. ONE POOR LEAGUE GAME DOESN'T CHANCE THAT FACT.TO SUGGEST OTHERWISE OUTS YOUR AS A COMPLETE BLUFFER!
AND FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST WILL YOU EVER LEAVE THE STRIKES AND ALL THAT STUFF BEHIND YOU. IT WAS YRS AGO AND YOU STILL AND BITTER, TWISTED AND ANGRY AS FCUK? SERIOUSLY, GET A LIFE AND COP ON.
Didnt say a word about the strikes its you that brought it up.0 -
So when he made the comment about Cork not doing anything that year had nothing to do with the fact he had just been dropped of the panel and he wasnt undermining Dennis Walsh by his comments?
It could have had everything to do with it. For all I know his honestly held opinion was that Cork had no chance of success without him. Who cares? The fact that that he probably knew more about it than all the people telling him to shut up seems to just vanish into the ether.
The point is, you don't seem to want to hear what Sean Og O'Hailpin has to say about Cork hurling, which is bizarre considering you're happy to share your own opinions on it.
I don't mean to zero in on you here like I think you're forcing opinions on people or anything, this is just something I see a lot and find it baffling.
People going on about how players and former players should keep their opinions to themselves. What sort of egomaniac do you need to be to comment on Cork hurling - in any way, shape or form - at the same time as telling Sean Og O'Hailpin he should keep his opinions to himself? It's mad.
Again lala this isn't meant as an attack on you in the slightest - it's something that winds me up every time a discussion like this arises. I just don't think people think about the hubris they show when they try to shut players up.0 -
What he said about Cork he was vindicated as Cork were awful at home against a poor Offaly team,lucky to win by a point.
So when he made the comment about Cork not doing anything that year had nothing to do with the fact he had just been dropped of the panel and he wasnt undermining Dennis Walsh by his comments?
Galway in Limerick was a dreadful display.He knew from the previous year Cork were going no where,he was well placed to air he's opinion.0 -
It could have had everything to do with it. For all I know his honestly held opinion was that Cork had no chance of success without him. Who cares? The fact that that he probably knew more about it than all the people telling him to shut up seems to just vanish into the ether.
The point is, you don't seem to want to hear what Sean Og O'Hailpin has to say about Cork hurling, which is bizarre considering you're happy to share your own opinions on it.
I don't mean to zero in on you here like I think you're forcing opinions on people or anything, this is just something I see a lot and find it baffling.
People going on about how players and former players should keep their opinions to themselves. What sort of egomaniac do you need to be to comment on Cork hurling - in any way, shape or form - at the same time as telling Sean Og O'Hailpin he should keep his opinions to himself? It's mad.
Again lala this isn't meant as an attack on you in the slightest - it's something that winds me up every time a discussion like this arises. I just don't think people think about the hubris they show when they try to shut players up.
Im not saying he should keep them to himself. Im just pointing out the fact he says this was JBM's call etc yet when McCarty and Walsh were making there own calls he had a problem with that.
On his comment when he was dropped to me thats him being bitter. Donal Og or John Gardner didn't run to the media when they were dropped did they? And yes thats what he did run to the media. Cork people have this idea that Sean Og is forced to give interviews to the media0 -
You seem to ignore the fact Jbm's calls like I said before are completely different,Jbm has been consistent with all of the calls he made,as he is going with Youth.He has said time and time again he has a 3 year plan.
Im not saying he should keep them to himself. Im just pointing out the fact he says this was JBM's call etc yet when McCarty and Walsh were making there own calls he had a problem with that.
On his comment when he was dropped to me thats him being bitter. Donal Og or John Gardner didn't run to the media when they were dropped did they? And yes thats what he did run to the media. Cork people have this idea that Sean Og is forced to give interviews to the media
Sean og as i said before, said last year he knew himself he woud not be part of the next winning team.
And Jbm was the one that brought him back.There was a respect and belief under JBM that was not their under the two previous managers.
How can say he ran to the media,that the media did not go to him.Only Sean Og and the Media knows who approached who.
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Im not saying he should keep them to himself. Im just pointing out the fact he says this was JBM's call etc yet when McCarty and Walsh were making there own calls he had a problem with that.
Maybe he thinks JBM is a decent manager and the other two were clowns?On his comment when he was dropped to me thats him being bitter. Donal Og or John Gardner didn't run to the media when they were dropped did they? And yes thats what he did run to the media. Cork people have this idea that Sean Og is forced to give interviews to the media
I for one am delighted he's happy to give interviews because I'm interested in hearing what he has to say. I'd love to hear what the other two think about a rake of things as well. Nobody ever gets any credit for having the bravery to say what you think and mean it and stand by it do they? That's a shame. I don't see standing in the corner keeping your mouth shut as a virtue in the slightest.
Not that being introverted is necessarily a bad thing either, but there seems to be a notion in GAA that having opinions and being extroverted is something to rest of us need to stamp out in our peers - the likes of Paul Galvin, Sean Og, Conor Mortimor - anyone who likes to get a bit of attention and isn't afraid to speak their mind, they all get the boot put in with regularity. There's something in the Irish psyche that hates someone who isn't seen to actively shun attention with a passion.0 -
Thinkstoomuch wrote: »You seem to ignore the fact Jbm's calls like I said before are completely different,Jbm has been consistent with all of the calls he made,as he is going with Youth.He has said time and time again he has a 3 year plan.
Sean og as i said before, said last year he knew himself he woud not be part of the next winning team.
And Jbm was the one that brought him back.There was a respect and belief under JBM that was not their under the two previous managers.
How can say he ran to the media,that the media did not go to him.Only Sean Og and the Media knows who approached who.
You are entilted to your views but i think Sean Og has done nothing wrong.
Yes but you havent said why its different? Clearly Dennis Walsh was doing the same and Seam Og wasn't part of his plans.
Why did he not have respect for the other two? In my view both Gerald McCarty and Dennis Walsh achieved more then Sean Og in there careers, (Gerald McCarty won 5 All Irelands and managed another winning team, Dennis Walsh won All Irelands in both football & hurling)
Even if the media came to him did he have to give an interview? Like i said Cork people have the view he was forced into giving them0 -
Maybe he thinks JBM is a decent manager and the other two were clowns?
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He lead a strike to get rid of Gerald McCarty and when he got his way he still wasn't happy. Who is he to say who is or isn't a decent manger? Like i said before i dont remember the players taking any blame for there own showings in games, at the end of the day they were the ones out on the pitch not the manager. After Kerry lost the 1991 All Ireland semi final to Down Tom Spillane who was at fault for the 2 Down goals on the day in an interview said that he had let Kerry down, he was played out of position on the day and could easily pointed the finger at the manger and blamed him for it but he didn't. Can you see the likes of Sean Og etc ever doing the same?0 -
I agree totally.A lot of so called experts are well able to give views,players above anyone else have earned the right to speak their views.Sean og is extremely passionate about Cork,its been he's life since 1994 or even before.He always said he lives for Cork Hurling.The pain and the journey he underwent in coming back from the injury he got in the car crash,shows just how much it meant for him to play for Cork again.He has more than earned the right to share he's thoughts on Cork.
Maybe he thinks JBM is a decent manager and the other two were clowns?
I for one am delighted he's happy to give interviews because I'm interested in hearing what he has to say. I'd love to hear what the other two think about a rake of things as well. Nobody ever gets any credit for having the bravery to say what you think and mean it and stand by it do they? That's a shame. I don't see standing in the corner keeping your mouth shut as a virtue in the slightest.
Not that being introverted is necessarily a bad thing either, but there seems to be a notion in GAA that having opinions and being extroverted is something to rest of us need to stamp out in our peers - the likes of Paul Galvin, Sean Og, Conor Mortimor - anyone who likes to get a bit of attention and isn't afraid to speak their mind, they all get the boot put in with regularity. There's something in the Irish psyche that hates someone who isn't seen to actively shun attention with a passion.
The Cork County board a few weeks back gave out that radio stations were texting out comments from fans about team selections and affairs.This keep it quiet policy, I dont agree with either.Most of the fans that text in probably pay good money to attend games.Once it is constructive there should be no problem with it.0 -
Maybe he thinks JBM is a decent manager and the other two were clowns?
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He lead a strike to get rid of Gerald McCarty and when he got his way he still wasn't happy. Who is he to say who is or isn't a decent manger? Like i said before i dont remember the players taking any blame for there own showings in games, at the end of the day they were the ones out on the pitch not the manager. After Kerry lost the 1991 All Ireland semi final to Down Tom Spillane who was at fault for the 2 Down goals on the day in an interview said that he had let Kerry down, he was played out of position on the day and could easily pointed the finger at the manger and blamed him for it but he didn't. Can you see the likes of Sean Og etc ever doing the same?
Of course you brought it back to the Cork Strikes.The simple fact was he had two years and Cork were going no where.That fact proves he was not a good manager.
Tippearary proved it with Declan Ryan,he won a minor with tipp and was highly regarded as a manager when he got the Job..He had two years and failed,so Tipp had no intention of giving him another term.
This was not a team that was in development stage or too old.Cork in 07 were still Capable of Winning a munster title at least.Cork were beaten by a poor Tipp team in 2007 in thurles, that game alone showed how far Cork had fallen in one year.That game for me defined he's term.
Nobody disputes what Gerald or Denis achieved as players.It was while their managers is the issue.Your going off now in another debate about who were the better players.As players all 3 were great servants,they played in different times so its unfair to say who was better .
I will agree to disagree as this debate is going around in circles and taking different directions.
You have different views to myself on Sean Og.0 -
Thinkstoomuch wrote: »
Of course you brought it back to the Cork Strikes.The simple fact was he had two years and Cork were going no where.That fact proves he was not a good manager.
Tippearary proved it with Declan Ryan,he won a minor with tipp and was highly regarded as a manager when he got the Job..He had two years and failed,so Tipp had no intention of giving him another term.
This was not a team that was in development stage or too old.Cork in 07 were still Capable of Winning a munster title at least.Cork were beaten by a poor Tipp team in 2007 in thurles, that game alone showed how far Cork had fallen in one year.That game for me defined he's term.
Nobody disputes what Gerald or Denis achieved as players.It was while their managers is the issue.Your going off now in another debate about who were the better players.As players all 3 were great servants,they played in different times so its unfair to say who was better .
I will agree to disagree as this debate is going around in circles and taking different directions.
You have different views to myself on Sean Og.
Again do the players not have to take some of the blame?
Yes im bringing up the strikes but to prove what i was saying. It was said maybe he taught they were both poor mangers and im pointing out he was the one who led the strike and when he got what he wanted he still wasn't happy.0 -
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Again do the players not have to take some of the blame?
Yes im bringing up the strikes but to prove what i was saying. It was said maybe he taught they were both poor mangers and im pointing out he was the one who led the strike and when he got what he wanted he still wasn't happy.
You seem to be want us to agree with your opinion rather than have a discussion. You have an opinion that Sean Og throws the toys out of the pram, gets what he wants, and still isn't happy. And should not give an HIS honest opinion when asked by a reporter about certain events.(even tho you might think he's bitter, its his opinion)
That's just my opinion.........0 -
The Cork Senior Football team to play Down on Sunday is
1. Ken O Halloran Bishopstown
2. Michael Shields st Finbarrs
3. Eoin O Mahony Macroom
4. Eoin Cadogan Douglas
5. Tom Clancy Fermoy
6. Noel O Leary Cil Na Matra
7. Jamie O Sullivan Bishopstown
8. Alan O'Connor St Colum's
9. Aidan Walsh Kanturk
10. Fintan Goold Macroom
11. Ciaran Sheehan Eire Og
12. Paul Kerrigan Nemo Rangers
13. Barry O Driscoll Nemo Rangers
14. Colm O Neill Ballyclough
15. Donnacha O'Connor Ballydesmond
Subs
16. Alan Quirke Valley Rovers
17. Paudi Kissane Clyda Rover's
18. James Fitzpatrick Carbery Rangers
19. Mark Collins Castlehaven
20. John Mcloughlin Kanturk
21. Denis O'Sullivan Ballinascarthy
22. Andrew O'Sullivan Castletownbere0 -
It's a waste of time arguing with those county board loyalists.No matter how damming and convincing the evidence is like the state of the pairc and the state of underage hurling in Cork it will always be Sean Og and Donal Ogs fault.Ger Mac say's with hindsight he wouldn't have taken the Cork job.Maybe with hindsight he also wouldn't have made those confidential squad reports public or released that statement personally attacking Sean Og.
Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions
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Misunderstood wrote: »Amazing how he is not so injured that he can't go on the piss according to earlier posts here. I was in stitches cause myself and the wife saw him in town last week with Patrick Horgan. He was limping one minute and the next he was grand. All in his head. Delighted the team did so well without him.....useless donkey.[/QUOTE]
Disgraceful post.He wasn't such a useless donkey when he tore Kerry a new one down the pairc in the 08 munster final.:rolleyes:Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions
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