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BREAST FEEDING A 3 YEAR OLD !

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  • #92
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,215 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    forfuxsake wrote: »
    in the west, we have not evolved anymore than other humans alive today. That many Indians breastfeed at three does not make them less evolved than us.:mad:
    They breastfeed past toddler stage because they don't have as much money and supermarkets as we do, not because they're less evolved. If a woman wants to breastfeed her child past toddler stage here, more power to her, but it's not necessary, seeing as there is a cut-off point anyway.
    I watched a controversial documentary a few years back about mothers who breastfeed up to when the kids are nine/ten and it was pretty weird stuff - the kids were obsessed with sucking boobs. One girl said she was looking forward to having boobs when she was older, so that she could breastfeed herself.


  • #93
    forfuxsake
    Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭forfuxsake


    prinz wrote: »
    Can you tell the difference between people evolving themselves, and evolving attitudes?

    yes, only one of them is evolution though. You can talk about the evolution of cars, computers or attitudes but in this sense the term evolution is being used a metaphorical synonym for change.

    Evolution is a biological process. You can learn all about it online or in a book.


  • #94
    forfuxsake
    Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭forfuxsake


    Dudess wrote: »
    They breastfeed past toddler stage because they don't have as much money and supermarkets as we do, not because they're less evolved. If a woman wants to breastfeed her child past toddler stage here, more power to her, but it's not necessary, seeing as there is a cut-off point anyway.
    I watched a controversial documentary a few years back about mothers who breastfeed up to when the kids are nine/ten and it was pretty weird stuff - the kids were obsessed with sucking boobs. One girl said she was looking forward to having boobs when she was older, so that she could breastfeed herself.

    I don't know if it is because they have less money or supermarkets but it is certainly not because they are less evolved.


  • #95
    forfuxsake
    Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭forfuxsake


    If anyone is reading this and considering extended breastfeeding I would suggest that you ignore everything here and read this:

    http://www.babycentre.co.uk/baby/breastfeeding/extendedbreastfeeding/


  • #96
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    forfuxsake wrote: »
    Evolution is a biological process. You can learn all about it online or in a book.

    So you can tell the difference you just deliberately try to misrepresent other posters in order to get upset about something they never said. I see.


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  • #97
    El_Dangeroso
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    Dudess wrote: »
    They breastfeed past toddler stage because they don't have as much money and supermarkets as we do

    I really want to believe you said this as a throwaway statement dudess and actually gave it no serious thought at all because otherwise it comes across as a very weird thing to say indeed.

    Breastfeeding a baby requires extra calories consumed by the mother. It's a zero sum game when it comes to money, arguably less efficient than just weaning completely to solids.

    Also the notion that a tesco deficiency is the reason women in the third world breastfeed longer than those in the west is one of the more ignorant statements I've heard on the subject.


  • #98
    Johro
    Registered Users Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    I have a friend who breastfed her daughter past her third year because whenever she got food other than breast milk she got sick, and after countless tests by hospital doctors it was finally confirmed that she suffers from cystic fibrosis, which is why she can't digest food properly and has to have enzymes with anything she eats.
    At the time, people thought she was weird for still breastfeeding, people who's business it really wasn't got real annoyed about it, but now doctors reckon she does much better than a lot of people with CS and her immune system is stronger because she had a better start having been breastfed for that time.


  • #99
    grindle
    Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    El_Dangeroso wrote: »
    Also the notion that a tesco deficiency is the reason women in the third world breastfeed longer than those in the west is one of the more ignorant statements I've heard on the subject.

    I think Dudess meant it more as a work/home life convenience deficiency? Could be wrong though.


  • #100
    Johro
    Registered Users Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    From the link posted a few posts above this one:
    'The average length of time mums breastfeed their children across the globe is about four years.'
    I'd imagine this is true mostly in poorer parts of the world, it's around two years or less for most Western mums.


  • #101
    flutterflye
    Registered Users Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    Breast is best and so on blah blah blah.
    But at 3+, it's just weird.
    I don't think it's weird due to sexualisation etc...
    Just that the child simply does not need it, has a full set of teeth, can use a cup on it's own and is gaining independence and so on.
    It can walk over to it's mother, ask for milk in a full sentence using please and thank you, pull down her top himself, suck away, and put the top back up.
    Then there's the importance of socialising and social norms at that age for understanding the world, the self, and making friends and so on.
    Especially at 4+ and the child is in school.


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  • #102
    El_Dangeroso
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    grindle wrote: »
    I think Dudess meant it more as a work/home life convenience deficiency? Could be wrong though.

    Nah, it's just as convenient to feed the infant the same food as the family eats. Why would those women bother to breastfeed for so much longer?
    flutterflye wrote: »
    But at 3+, it's just weird.

    Ok, so most of the world people of the world do this, if you take the definition of weird to mean unconventional, then it is the western world that is weird.


  • #103
    grindle
    Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    El_Dangeroso wrote: »
    Nah, it's just as convenient to feed the infant the same food as the family eats. Why would those women bother to breastfeed for so much longer?
    Lack of a snobbish "civilised" culture that demonises our animal-instinct roots, I'd imagine.
    It also makes more sense for a mother to deal with her own cravings (which will include her child's if breastfeeding) than second-guessing for the infant, which may or may not lead to wasted food.


  • #104
    flutterflye
    Registered Users Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    El_Dangeroso wrote: »
    Ok, so most of the world people of the world do this, if you take the definition of weird to mean unconventional, then it is the western world that is weird.

    Well yes, seeing as that's where we live, and where our 3 year old's live and where they have to conform to some extent in order to be accepted and so on - your point is what exactly?
    Our western world is very 'weird' in so, so many ways - it isn't really relevant to bring up the rest of the world seeing as we don't live there and we are not talking about there.


  • #105
    Cork24
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,663 ✭✭✭Cork24


    Got milk


  • #106
    grindle
    Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    flutterflye wrote: »
    Our western world is very 'weird' in so, so many ways - it isn't really relevant to bring up the rest of the world seeing as we don't live there and we are not talking about there.

    It's very relevant because this is a biological choice that should supersede cultural affectations.


  • #107
    lynski
    Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭lynski


    Greentopia wrote: »
    I don't see any problem in mothers breast feeding kids up to 3 or 4 if that's what the mother and child wants. And I don't feel mothers should have to be 'discrete' about breast feeding in public either as if there's something to be ashamed or embarrassed about.
    I don't mean stripping off topless like(!) but I don't see the need to cover up breasts when it's obvious there's a baby being fed.

    well my 15mth old does not need nursing more then twice per day, morning and night, so a lunchtime nurse for a 4yr old is not even an issue.


  • #108
    flutterflye
    Registered Users Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    grindle wrote: »
    It very relevant because this is a biological choice that should supersede cultural affectations.

    Cultural and societal norms are important for a child's social inclusion though.
    I would 100% agree that it should supersede these affectations for newborns to one or two years of age.
    But for a three year old in our society in our time, I do not agree at all.


  • #109
    grindle
    Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    flutterflye wrote: »
    Cultural and societal norms are important for a child's social inclusion though.

    Would it not be better for a society to become less ignorant of their own physical needs, rather than demand that a child's most appropriate food be taken away because most of us think it's icky?


  • #110
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    I remember a story the nurse in antenatal class said.
    Someone was brest feeding a 3 year old. She said: "isn't he a bit old to be breastfed?". The kid turned around and said "fuck off" before returing back to the nipple.


  • #111
    up for anything
    Registered Users Posts: 5,776 ✭✭✭up for anything


    flutterflye wrote: »
    Breast is best and so on blah blah blah.
    But at 3+, it's just weird.
    I don't think it's weird due to sexualisation etc...
    Just that the child simply does not need it, has a full set of teeth, can use a cup on it's own and is gaining independence and so on.
    It can walk over to it's mother, ask for milk in a full sentence using please and thank you, pull down her top himself, suck away, and put the top back up.
    Then there's the importance of socialising and social norms at that age for understanding the world, the self, and making friends and so on.
    Especially at 4+ and the child is in school.

    It's not all about the milk and sustenance. There are other hugely important elements such as comfort, closeness, skin contact, tactility and the wonderful feelings that it engenders that I can't find words to describe. If it had just all been about the food I would have given up on loads of occasions and shoved a bottle in their gobs.


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  • #112
    Johro
    Registered Users Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Cork24 wrote: »
    Got milk
    Will travel.


  • #113
    flutterflye
    Registered Users Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    up for anything wrote: »
    It's not all about the milk and sustenance. There are other hugely important elements such as comfort, closeness, skin contact, tactility and the wonderful feelings that it engenders that I can't find words to describe. If it had just all been about the food I would have given up on loads of occasions and shoved a bottle in their gobs.

    I hated breastfeeding!!!
    I breastfed my first for a while.
    Didn't try at all the second time, and I'm much more bonded with my second child.
    That's all just bull to me in fairness.


  • #114
    flutterflye
    Registered Users Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    grindle wrote: »
    Would it not be better for a society to become less ignorant of their own physical needs, rather than demand that a child's most appropriate food be taken away because most of us think it's icky?

    What?
    What physical needs?
    And I don't think it's 'icky'.


  • #115
    lynski
    Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭lynski


    up for anything wrote: »
    It's not all about the milk and sustenance. There are other hugely important elements such as comfort, closeness, skin contact, tactility and the wonderful feelings that it engenders that I can't find words to describe. If it had just all been about the food I would have given up on loads of occasions and shoved a bottle in their gobs.
    I was delighted when my then 2.5yr old decided she wanted to 'baby milk' too, she has an occasional nurse, 2/3 times some weeks and could go 2/3 weeks between 'baby milk' drinks. but knowing she is getting the immune boost, and the other ingredients that are so good for her, as well as the best source of iron for a small child.
    My 15mth old son cant take formula, he has a reaction, and cows milk seems to give him some tummy probs, so 'extended nursing' here i come.


  • #116
    up for anything
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    flutterflye wrote: »
    I hated breastfeeding!!!
    I breastfed my first for a while.
    Didn't try at all the second time, and I'm much more bonded with my second child.
    That's all just bull to me in fairness.

    Fair enough - bull to you but not to lots of other people. If you hated it it doesn't mean that everybody else does and just because I loved it doesn't mean that everybody else has to love it or even like it. Why did you hate it so much? People usually hate the idea of it which is fair enough or else have bad advice early on leading to problems which leads them to dislike it.


  • #117
    lynski
    Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭lynski


    flutterflye wrote: »
    I hated breastfeeding!!!
    I breastfed my first for a while.
    Didn't try at all the second time, and I'm much more bonded with my second child.
    That's all just bull to me in fairness.

    what is bull? because there is reams and reams of evidence show the benefits etc.
    The bonding is purely individual so breastfeeding might or might not increase that.
    You can't dismiss breastfeeding benefits as bull because you had one bad experience.


  • #118
    grindle
    Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    flutterflye wrote: »
    What?
    What physical needs?
    And I don't think it's 'icky'.

    Baby formula is ALWAYS the same and doesn't contain the hormones and antibodies needed to grow as naturally and as free of infection as possible, building immunities that the mother has also built up, and building upon thousands of years of biological evolution.
    Breast milk does.
    It's like comparing the pink sludge used to make turkey twizzlers vs free range turkey.


  • #119
    flutterflye
    Registered Users Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    up for anything wrote: »
    Fair enough - bull to you but not to lots of other people. If you hated it it doesn't mean that everybody else does and just because I loved it doesn't mean that everybody else has to love it or even like it. Why did you hate it so much? People usually hate the idea of it which is fair enough or else have bad advice early on leading to problems which leads them to dislike it.

    It hurt, and just the feeling in general wasn't nice - it was a horrible feeling when I could feel the warm milk moving through my boobs, and then there was the suckling on my nipples.
    I did it because I thought it was best, but I felt uncomfortable each time.
    Didn't get the bonding experience at all.
    I meant it's bull that that always happens is all.
    And it would be just plain stupid to be against breastfeeding in general, or think it was weird or find it unacceptable and so on.
    I am purely talking about extended feeding - I don't think there is any reason strong enough to warrant it personally.
    It's unnecessary and just weird imo.


  • #120
    flutterflye
    Registered Users Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    grindle wrote: »
    Baby formula is ALWAYS the same and doesn't contain the hormones and antibodies needed to grow as naturally and as free of infection as possible, building immunities that the mother has also built up, and building upon thousands of years of biological evolution.
    Breast milk does.
    It's like comparing the pink sludge used to make turkey twizzlers vs free range turkey.

    Yeah, I don't know why you keep directing your responses to me.
    It's as if you think I think something that I don't.


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  • #121
    grindle
    Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    flutterflye wrote: »
    Yeah, I don't know why you keep directing your responses to me.
    It's as if you think I think something that I don't.

    You... Responded... To me?
    "What physical needs?", you said, quoting me...
    Unless you thought I meant the whole physical-closeness some seem to like. I didn't.
    Soooo....

    *tumbleweed*


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