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Pat Divilly Project Alpha

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  • #32
    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    Stench that's a much better answer than slagging me off for calling bull. I know only what the guy has up online, which is without a doubt the usual tripe designed to part fools from money. By the sounds of it he should know better.


  • #33
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Hope Thankful Rebel wrote: »
    Stench that's a much better answer than slagging me off for calling bull. I know only what the guy has up online, which is without a doubt the usual tripe designed to part fools from money. By the sounds of it he should know better.

    He should know better than using strategies which help him positively impact the most people?

    Would he be a better trainer if he was poor and clientless? But still recommended what he's recommending?

    Incan think of a gym that would still be here if peopel spent more time learning how to help people and less time on boards moaning.

    So now that coach, who knew what they were doing, gets to help no one because he couldn't get clients?

    That's a real lose/lose situation.


  • #34
    Stench Blossoms
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    Hope Thankful Rebel wrote: »
    Stench that's a much better answer than slagging me off for calling bull. I know only what the guy has up online, which is without a doubt the usual tripe designed to part fools from money. By the sounds of it he should know better.

    Hey look, if it grabs peoples attention then fair play to him.

    If he was promoting a cabbage soup diet or a low calorie diet I would have a problem with it but he's not.


  • #35
    JJayoo
    Registered Users Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    If Pat Divilly had come on boards to advertise his product then 100% call him out on it, but he hasn't, unless Pat started this thread.....


  • #36
    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    So Hanley, does that make the before and after shame you so often post about invalid cause its helping people get motivated, and feeding good trainers with clients and helping them to help people. Is any advertising valid in the fitness industry cause ya know people doing something is better than doing nothing. Is honesty irrelevant? Can bad trainers do the same thing for the same reason?, I am sure they think they are good. How are the public to know?

    All the target market know is what is online, and thats a load of horse manure in this case. If you guys know this fellow, and he is honest and decent, and a good trainer with a good message to share, somebody please for the love of god tell him to be confident enough in that to lay off the cheesball infomercial stuff cause it makes him look like a snake oil salesman.

    If Pat was on the forum promoting this he would be a shill, the OP asked about this program, discussion is indicated. Or is criticism of the friends of the health and fitness forum elite taboo? Sorry to be such a dick about this, but I have a good memory about what people post up over the years and the hypocrisy going on here is appalling. If you guys have information on whether the OP should seek this guys services (despite the marketing) then post that, don't just thrown in smugness-grenades about not slagging of someone's business, or that people are insecure slagging this off. 99 times out of 100 a website like that are a load of dung.


    I AM THE NEW WILL....OH GOD HELP ME.


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  • #37
    JJayoo
    Registered Users Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    lol


  • #38
    siochain
    Registered Users Posts: 2,546 ✭✭✭siochain


    Hope Thankful Rebel wrote: »
    Sorry to be such a dick about this, but I have a good memory about what people post up over the years and the hypocrisy going on here is appalling.

    So true, it's gass reading what some of the above have said in defence of what's posted on that site.


  • #39
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    You can only sell dog **** once. If the product is good, it SHOULD be sold.

    We don't live in some amazing utopia where the right person just shows up on your door step and starts training. Especially if it's a premium service which is a significant departure from a "normal" gym.

    If you want to run a business you simply have to find these people and show em how you can help.

    And if you CAN help, then what's the problem.

    I got this off a guy today;

    ""I think I have made more progress in the last 3 months from training with Conor and yourself than in the 20 months up to that. And I havent been injured. Training in Raw usually meant 3/4 weeks training then 3/4 weeks on the sidelines because of injury."

    Am I a bad person if I have to use marketing and sales to deliver results like that to people?

    Y'all don't even have to answer.

    I'd rather be living a decently comfortable life helping real people than trying to please atm chair quarter backs who don't train or help anyone.


  • #40
    Stench Blossoms
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    Hope Thankful Rebel wrote: »
    If Pat was on the forum promoting this he would be a shill, the OP asked about this program, discussion is indicated. Or is criticism of the friends of the health and fitness forum elite taboo? Sorry to be such a dick about this, but I have a good memory about what people post up over the years and the hypocrisy going on here is appalling. If you guys have information on whether the OP should seek this guys services (despite the marketing) then post that, don't just thrown in smugness-grenades about not slagging of someone's business, or that people are insecure slagging this off. 99 times out of 100 a website like that are a load of dung.

    Nobody answered the OPs question. It turned into a little bitch fest.


  • #41
    singlesnights
    Registered Users Posts: 121 ✭✭singlesnights


    Stench Blossoms wrote: »
    Nobody answered the OPs question.

    I did actually! ;)


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  • #42
    WHIP IT!
    Registered Users Posts: 5,881 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    beggars_bush wrote: »
    You are all very quick to knock a lad's business

    Really? I'm amazed at the easy ride he's being afforded here for his daily-automatically-updating "special offer today only" option on his site which is tantamount to fraud, surely.


  • #43
    Inspector Coptoor
    Registered Users Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    Well, this escalated rather quickly....

    OP, give the programme a go if you have the spare cash.
    Follow it to the letter.
    Invest a bit of time in yourself over the 6 weeks, in terms of your training, your food choices and your recovery time/sleep.

    Take measurements/pictures of yourself before and after.

    When the 6 weeks are up, critically evaluate your results and determine if you feel you got value for money.

    While I don't agree with everything PD is doing, he doesn't come across like a snake oil merchant, and as someone who lived in Galway for 5 years, I know lots of people living there training with PD in his gym in Barna, and others who have never met him and have just subscribed to his online programmes and they have made positive changes to their lifestyles and body compositions.

    Look, if something like this is the kick in the hole or the temporary crutch people need to get them kick-started into a better and healthier lifestyle, I'm all for it.

    It wouldn't be the worst €85 a person could ever spend, that's for sure, and sometimes spending money on something as simple as providing you with ideas on how to eat cleaner, eat less and move more gives a person a level of accountability they just didn't have before.


  • #44
    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    James.....as much as I love you, sometimes things are just not about you. Your marketing is nowhere near this and you promise no quick fixes or lie about limited time offers, nobody is getting at you.


  • #45
    siochain
    Registered Users Posts: 2,546 ✭✭✭siochain


    Hanley wrote: »
    You can only sell dog **** once. If the product is good, it SHOULD be sold.

    We don't live in some amazing utopia where the right person just shows up on your door step and starts training. Especially if it's a premium service which is a significant departure from a "normal" gym.

    If you want to run a business you simply have to find these people and show em how you can help.

    And if you CAN help, then what's the problem.

    I got this off a guy today;

    ""I think I have made more progress in the last 3 months from training with Conor and yourself than in the 20 months up to that. And I havent been injured. Training in Raw usually meant 3/4 weeks training then 3/4 weeks on the sidelines because of injury."

    Am I a bad person if I have to use marketing and sales to deliver results like that to people?

    Y'all don't even have to answer.

    I'd rather be living a decently comfortable life helping real people than trying to please atm chair quarter backs who don't train or help anyone.

    How did this tread end up with this self promotion. The best promotion comes from peers and then clients the rest is cringeworthy.


  • #46
    peanutman
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭peanutman


    'There's only one thing worse in life than being talked about and that's not being talked about' ~ Oscar Wilde

    As a client all I can say is that Pat has helped me change my life for the better, he is hard working, dedicated and knowledgeable. And extremely generous with his time.


  • #47
    Henry9
    Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭Henry9


    peanutman wrote: »
    'There's only one thing worse in life than being talked about and that's not being talked about' ~ Oscar Wilde

    As a client all I can say is that Pat has helped me change my life for the better, he is hard working, dedicated and knowledgeable. And extremely generous with his time.
    Good for you and good for him.

    But the point raised was his questionable tactics. The same tactics that certain posters have slaughtered others for in the past.

    But of course, since then the same certain posters have reconciled themselves with the same approach.
    And since most posters are brainless and just go with what they perceive to be the received wisdom here, everyone rows in with the 'marketing genius' line.

    Pretty predictable really, along with the usual self promotion from the usual quarter of course.

    Oh and everything you've said could equally be applied to Tony Quinn couldn't it?
    Why not have a look at the Educo threads and see the attitude of the same posters.


    Good luck to PD and all, it would just be a novelty if these guys had the confidence not to carry on like they're selling magic sponges on a late night shopping channel.


  • #48
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,551 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Henry9 wrote: »
    magic sponges on a late night shopping channel.

    Link?


  • #49
    Henry9
    Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭Henry9


    Hope Thankful Rebel wrote: »
    James.....as much as I love you, sometimes things are just not about you. Your marketing is nowhere near this and you promise no quick fixes or lie about limited time offers, nobody is getting at you.
    Everything is about him surely?


  • #50
    Sangre
    Registered Users Posts: 12,152 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    Hanley wrote: »
    You can only sell dog **** once. If the product is good, it SHOULD be sold.

    We don't live in some amazing utopia where the right person just shows up on your door step and starts training. Especially if it's a premium service which is a significant departure from a "normal" gym.

    If you want to run a business you simply have to find these people and show em how you can help.

    And if you CAN help, then what's the problem.

    I got this off a guy today;

    ""I think I have made more progress in the last 3 months from training with Conor and yourself than in the 20 months up to that. And I havent been injured. Training in Raw usually meant 3/4 weeks training then 3/4 weeks on the sidelines because of injury."

    Am I a bad person if I have to use marketing and sales to deliver results like that to people?

    Y'all don't even have to answer.

    I'd rather be living a decently comfortable life helping real people than trying to please atm chair quarter backs who don't train or help anyone.

    Trainer: "I can use any tactic possible to convince, cajoule, pressure and trick the general public into paying me money for my services. Its ok though, I'm helping them and positively impacting on their lives."

    So as long as you believe you're a good trainer, go nuts with the marketing.


  • #51
    JJayoo
    Registered Users Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Every single advert ever
    Sangre wrote: »
    "I can use any tactic possible to convince, cajoule, pressure and trick the general public into paying me money for my services

    I think it's fine to call out someone like Hanley for the simple reason that he is on boards and is able to respond and defend his business. I didn't like the comments made about Pat Divilly because they weren't constructive in the slightest,he isn't on boards to defend his business and above all else they seemed personal and IMO reeked of bullying with people looking to acquire the most "likes" by running someone down.

    Plus this is an Irish site and you should really have more than just cheesy advertising before you damage another Irish person's reputation. If someone was to Google Pat Divilly and came across this thread they would be put off.


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  • #52
    the drifter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭the drifter


    sometimes I wish I could just turn off the internet and make it all go away.


  • #53
    Thud
    Registered Users Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭Thud


    His website does have a bit of an Educogym feel to it


  • #54
    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    I am sorry now, if your going to play the online marketing, social media, game like PD is then you cannot have it both ways. Boards is not only for the discussion of people who are active on boards. If you want to play American style big balls, brash advertising then you have to accept that in a small country like Ireland you will be talked about.

    Seeing as most people dont know who the guy is its hardly personal. He has put the information out there for all to see. If the guy was unknown to anyone here, then the OP would have been warned that the advertising was misleading, dishonest and made some wild claims as it give no details of how results are achieved. Now it turns out some people know the chap or have trained with him and recommend him wholeheartedly. If anything this thread has saved him from reputational damage.


  • #55
    JJayoo
    Registered Users Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    the drifter wrote: »
    sometimes I wish I could just turn off the internet and make it all go away.

    But who would watch all the porn?


  • #56
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,551 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    JJayoo wrote: »
    But who would watch all the porn?

    The cameramen at CERN.


  • #57
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    JJayoo wrote: »
    Every single advert ever

    I think it's fine to call out someone like Hanley for the simple reason that he is on boards and is able to respond and defend his business. I didn't like the comments made about Pat Divilly because they weren't constructive in the slightest,he isn't on boards to defend his business and above all else they seemed personal and IMO reeked of bullying with people looking to acquire the most "likes" by running someone down.

    Plus this is an Irish site and you should really have more than just cheesy advertising before you damage another Irish person's reputation. If someone was to Google Pat Divilly and came across this thread they would be put off.

    Best post in thread.
    the drifter wrote: »
    sometimes I wish I could just turn off the internet and make it all go away.

    The OLD you coulda.Before you got the power.


    ....now go have one of your minions do it.


  • #58
    Henry9
    Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭Henry9


    JJayoo wrote: »
    Every single advert ever

    I think it's fine to call out someone like Hanley for the simple reason that he is on boards and is able to respond and defend his business. I didn't like the comments made about Pat Divilly because they weren't constructive in the slightest,he isn't on boards to defend his business and above all else they seemed personal and IMO reeked of bullying with people looking to acquire the most "likes" by running someone down.

    Plus this is an Irish site and you should really have more than just cheesy advertising before you damage another Irish person's reputation. If someone was to Google Pat Divilly and came across this thread they would be put off.
    Tony Quinn meets those criteria too doesn't he?
    As does every other non posting PT who's been ridiculed over the years.

    Interesting sea change in attitude.


  • #59
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Henry9 wrote: »
    Tony Quinn meets those criteria too doesn't he?
    As does every other non posting PT who's been ridiculed over the years.

    Interesting sea change in attitude.

    Hey Henry you only ever seem to come outta the woodwork to bitch about the fitness industry, but never talk about fitnes or training.

    What's that all about?


  • #60
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,500 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    JJayoo wrote: »
    Every single advert ever

    I think it's fine to call out someone like Hanley for the simple reason that he is on boards and is able to respond and defend his business. I didn't like the comments made about Pat Divilly because they weren't constructive in the slightest,he isn't on boards to defend his business and above all else they seemed personal and IMO reeked of bullying with people looking to acquire the most "likes" by running someone down.

    Plus this is an Irish site and you should really have more than just cheesy advertising before you damage another Irish person's reputation. If someone was to Google Pat Divilly and came across this thread they would be put off.

    What's not constructive about "the expiry date changes daily and is misleading"? Its a terribly dishonest advertising mechanic.


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  • #61
    Henry9
    Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭Henry9


    Hanley wrote: »
    Hey Henry you only ever seem to come outta the woodwork to bitch about the fitness industry, but never talk about fitnes or training.

    What's that all about?
    I talk plenty about training, just not on the Internet.
    I prefer that to joining in with whatever happens to be flavour of the month around here.

    If people don't like others bitching about their precious 'fitness industry' whatever that is, they should perhaps conduct themselves in a way that doesn't provoke it.

    Say for instance, having a bit of consistency, or not appealing to arguments like 'yeah it's bull****, but that's marketing'.

    Or the new one, 'yeah it's bull****, but its ok because I'm helping people'.
    Like showing someone how to swing a kettlebell makes me a humanitarian.


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