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Anyone like Hookers

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭JamesM


    fergal.b wrote: »
    I would love to take a look around the work shop someday maybe even bring a plank :)

    I am sure that would not be a problem :D I know Johnny Murphy, the 1st speaker, well. He is a mix of modern and traditional. I sold him his 1st 2 catamarans :cool:
    Jim.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,036 ✭✭✭✭neris


    ive always found hookers in any sense (rugby, street walking, sailing) rather odd (well the 1st 2 anyway) :D but for sailing ive never really seen the keen interest in hookers on the east coast that is given to the likes of the dragons, db24s and howth 17s. i remember years ago as a kid there was a big hooker moored up in howth but that was about all. The galway hookers are a dying breed well past their commercial sell by date but an important part of our maritime heirtage. I do like the old IOR dinosaurs and they are a hell of a lot easier & cheaper to do up and restore but wouldnt say no to a ride sail on a hooker


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    neris wrote: »
    ive always found hookers in any sense (rugby, street walking, sailing) rather odd (well the 1st 2 anyway) :D but for sailing ive never really seen the keen interest in hookers on the east coast that is given to the likes of the dragons, db24s and howth 17s. i remember years ago as a kid there was a big hooker moored up in howth but that was about all. The galway hookers are a dying breed well past their commercial sell by date but an important part of our maritime heirtage. I do like the old IOR dinosaurs and they are a hell of a lot easier & cheaper to do up and restore but wouldnt say no to a ride sail on a hooker

    One of the OHs friends has had a galway hooker in Howth in recent years, but I don't think he sails much tbh


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    I’ve spent plenty of time and have experience with hookers. Firstly, the sailing type – there was Paddy Barry’s St. Patrick, he crossed the Atlantic in her, a Bad Mor, and she was tragically lost in a gale on her moorings in Glandore. Waaaay back Dennis Aylmer brought one to Dublin via the canal – I think she was the Morning Star - she was in DL but I never remember her racing (probably would have fallen apart!) Harry Knott had a gleotoig in DL at around the same time, raced her in Cruisers III, the ‘Pamela’ – she was moored in the Coal Harbour, I crewed on her a few times, she weighed an absolute ton (probably several) and I remember the tide pushing us into the Rosbeg buoy one Saturday and IT bounced off us! All I remember about helming her was the weather helm – atrocious, I could hardly steer her but I was only a schoolboy back then. She had a strange rig, gaff but not full ‘hooker’, no topsail and a fixed stubby bowsprit. She was built by the O’Casey brothers in Connemara in the late 1800’s (1896?) supposedly as a mail carrier rather than a transport boat.
    As for Neris’ reference to ‘I do like the old IOR dinosaurs’ I will take that as a compliment ......I had one when they were cutting edge (before cutting edge was invented). Dinosaurs, forsooth!
    I was up close and very personal with the other hookers for years..................... used to play second row in school.:P:P


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    used to play second row in school.:P:P

    SNAP, played second row in rubgy too!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭Slig


    When I read the title I thought someone had got the wrong forum, something like this belongs in After Hours!!
    I have never been on one but they look beautiful. Absolutely agree they are an important part of our maritime history


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,792 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    A hooker (or I think it was one anyway) used to be out and about on racing days in Dublin Bay for a few years, haven't seen it lately though. I often wondered where it was from or what it was - it never came near enough to identify.

    I'd love a spin in one sometime - even though I have a strong suspicious that they're complete dogs to sail!!!

    (remember the reality series a few years back where they took randomers off the street and taught them to sail in a series of bootcamps and the finalists got to race in the Crinniú na mBád in Galway? Twas a hoot, but oh my goodness those hookers (or gleoiteogs I think, aren't they the smaller ones?) looked like HARD WORK. No winches :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,036 ✭✭✭✭neris


    As for Neris’ reference to ‘I do like the old IOR dinosaurs’ I will take that as a compliment ......I had one when they were cutting edge (before cutting edge was invented). Dinosaurs, forsooth!

    I am the very proud owner of a 1986 kevlar (slightly modified in 91) dinosaur that still has all its original dinosaur strings, mast fixtures & fittings and mickey mouse ear. I even still have the original No4 from the 1986 mini ton worlds in my shed.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    neris wrote: »
    I am the very proud owner of a 1986 kevlar (slightly modified in 91) dinosaur that still has all its original dinosaur strings, mast fixtures & fittings and mickey mouse ear. I even still have the original No4 from the 1986 mini ton worlds in my shed.

    The GP14 I crew on is 45 years old!


  • Registered Users Posts: 218 ✭✭kfod


    She had a strange rig, gaff but not full ‘hooker’, no topsail and a fixed stubby bowsprit.years

    No topsail was the traditional working rig, rather than the larger racing rig which we see nowadays. I don't know about the stubby bowsprit though.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1 G50 reg


    I've been sailing in Galway hookers in Galway since I was a kid. The Bad Mor seen in Howth a number of years ago was called An Lady Mor. (she had bends painted red) She is now up in Derry and is owner by the university up there I believe. She was actually built for my family over a hundred years ago, I don't know the exact year.
    There is another Bad Mor in Dublin still, Naomh Cronan. (bends painted blue) She spends a lot of time in the Liffey at Poolbeg I think. She's a newly built boat.

    There are loads of these boats still in Galway and even more being built all the time. AS someone said they can be hard work at times especially in anything over a force 5 but if they are reefed to suit the wind they aren't too bad. Considering these vessels were handled by just 2 men back in the day including the cargo they can't be that hard.

    As for the weather helm, ya it can be heavy but if the boat is trimmed and balanced properly that is greatly reduced. Also if theres a big hole in the rudder for a propeller then the weather helm can be quite bad. Only a very small number of hookers in galway have inboard engines, about 4 of 5 out of 50ish


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,966 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    Was lucky enough to be invited racing hoookers in inis mor this weekend. We were movable ballast the crew did everything through irish and mine is terrible. Was struck by how nobody owned the boat it belongs to the family and how much can be done with out an engine.They have none! The boats are upto 200 years old and have been rebuilt several times.

    the handy cap system is different too they give the slower boats a head start so they start out in the lead and the faster boats catch up


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭BrensBenz


    I "sort of" admired Galway Hookers, their power, their folk design history, appropriateness for their job, etc., until, one day, while sailing my boat single-handed (not a good idea - it needs three!) a dense fog suddenly appeared.
    Fog is extraordinary when sailing - the sea seems to flatten, the breeze maintains its strength so it appears that you've doubled your speed. Every sound is distorted and, of course, you can't see a thing!

    Being certifiably thick, I don't have GPS on board and my compass sits over a cast iron centreplate, so I had to navigate by the last known wind direction. There was the slight concern of a granite lighthouse and three Skerries islands to consider but all of my hands and feet were busy. And, boy, was my boat moving!

    The sounds of waves being cut seemed to increase gradually - the fog was thickening and so, I guessed, was its distortion of sound. Then, in an instant, the gloom ahead became darker and the sounds even louder. Through the fog I began to make out a rough, black surface and possibly a heather-coloured layer above it. "A CLIFF? READY ABOUT!"

    The "cliff" was actually a tan-sailed hooker, under full sail, heading North, nobody on deck and, if I hadn't gone about, from West to North, I would have t-boned her to death.

    Badly equipped? Underprepared? Maybe, but nobody was wrong. It would have been a tragic accident, but, at the sound of my gear tacking, a lone head appeared from the hooker's galley and gave me a smile and a wave and then, just as quickly, disappeared into the haze.

    Silly, I know, but hookers still give me a severe dose of the heebie-jeebies!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    I love the way the mast is called 'an crann' - it's the only bit of nautical Irish I recall.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    kfod wrote: »
    No topsail was the traditional working rig, rather than the larger racing rig which we see nowadays. I don't know about the stubby bowsprit though.

    The 'Pamela' was re-rigged, not with a traditional rig, but with a cross between gaff and gunter and hence the fixed stubby bowsprit. I wonder what happened to her, it was the late 1960's in DL when I sailed on her a couple of times. She must have been sold because I recall her owner later on had a Shipman.


  • Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭coleria




  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭fergal.b


    Hooker porn:D https://vimeo.com/5202235




    .


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,792 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Another documentary about hookers to be shown on RTE1 on Monday (the article says June 23rd, but that must be a typo).

    http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/galway-hooker-boatmen-remembered-in-new-documentary-1.2652048


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    Thanks for the heads-up Heidi. It was a nice programme, not great on hookers/sailing/history, a bit about the Crinniu na mbad, old hooker men & builders, Dick Scott got a fleeting mention, but it dwelt on the artistic, with some beautiful photographs of the boats and badoiri. Worth watching just for the photos!
    (gabh mo leithsceal, nil me go maith le na fada!)


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