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Landcruiser 7 seat passenger reg change

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    #62
    vibe666
    Registered Users Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    I was also wondering what kind of money you'd expect to pay on top of your purchase price to get the conversion completed?


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    #63
    strange john
    Registered Users Posts: 41 ✭strange john


    vibe666 wrote: »
    I was also wondering what kind of money you'd expect to pay on top of your purchase price to get the conversion completed?

    I don't know anything about importing one, but I did the work myself and the only costs were the certification at €150+vat and the weighbridge which was €20.


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    #64
    oldsmokey
    Registered Users Posts: 783 ✭✭✭oldsmokey


    oldsmokey wrote: »
    Thanks all...a relation got the work done on the LC in past few days, paperwork signed off...am waiting with bated breath as to whether this lot will hold up when he goes to tax it...seems that can be a stumbling block.
    Well, after 3 attempts to tax it, finally got there...VAT number required, more expensive insurance required...they really don't want to see anyone doing this, your perseverance will be tested.The crowd in the tax office were as unhelpful as humanly possible...Limerick it was...But the savings are substantial, so take your chances.


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    #65
    jizzyboner
    Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭jizzyboner


    gofaster_s13 wrote: »
    I certify these conversions, Its above board and was brought about by Ireland having to fall in line with the EU's definition of a commercial vehicle (first exploited by Land Rover with their Discovery "Utility") and no, range Rover Vogues won't qualify as they don't achieve the required measurements.

    Hi gofaster
    Just remembered seeing a few weeks ago a Range Rover Vogue being sold by Karl Goodwin Motors in Dublin, and they made a big deal about it being cheap tax. Even had a photo of the tax disk and it was €333 for the year. I'm pretty sure it was a 07/08 TDV8, but it's sold now. It was definitely 5 seats also.

    Someone must have found a way to get around the official rules if it doesn't officially qualify. No idea how though.

    Pat


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    #66
    brandonw123
    Registered Users Posts: 30 ✭brandonw123


    I checked my land rover discovery 1 today.
    The door size is about 1260x 1160 so that is ok.
    The cargo area is more than 30% of wheelbase if measured on the floor from the rear of the middle seats to the boot door.
    However the middle seats are sloped & if you measure from the top of the seat, the figure in mm is less than 30%

    Does anyone know if it is ok to take the floor measurement ?
    Do you measure cargo area with the rear door closed or open ( I.e. is the width of the door included as part of the cargo area or excluded )?
    Thanks


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    #67
    101sean
    Registered Users Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    It's definitely to the inside face of the door and I suspect it will be from the rear of the seat.


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    #68
    gofaster_s13
    Registered Users Posts: 942 ✭✭✭gofaster_s13


    Its from the furthest point back on the rear seats to the closest point of the rear door opening.


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    #69
    brandonw123
    Registered Users Posts: 30 ✭brandonw123


    Thanks for the replies.
    Is is permitted to straighten the middle seats so that the 30% is achieved.
    It is only about 60mm to straighten?


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    #70
    gofaster_s13
    Registered Users Posts: 942 ✭✭✭gofaster_s13


    brandonw123 wrote: »
    Thanks for the replies.
    Is is permitted to straighten the middle seats so that the 30% is achieved.
    It is only about 60mm to straighten?

    Manufacturers specifications can't be altered and there is a set minimum angle for the seat back.


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    #71
    vibe666
    Registered Users Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    that's a real PITA. :(

    I'd love a nice N1 commercial Supercharged 4.2L V8 Vogue SE with an LPG conversion! :D

    I've heard they're thinking of making a slightly longer RR soon though, so one day, you never know. :)


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    #72
    brandonw123
    Registered Users Posts: 30 ✭brandonw123


    Thanks Gofaster,
    I guess I am goosed so on the disco 1.
    "O for an extra 2 inches " !!!!


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    #73
    Casati
    Registered Users Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Casati


    brandonw123 wrote: »
    Thanks Gofaster,
    I guess I am goosed so on the disco 1.
    "O for an extra 2 inches " !!!!

    What about taking out the 2 back seats - presuming its a seven seater, and turning it into a 5 seater? Surely the Kuga does meet the % requirement but gets away with it by reducing from 5 to 4 seats?


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    #74
    brandonw123
    Registered Users Posts: 30 ✭brandonw123


    It is a 7 seater currently.
    Those dimensions are with removing the last row of seats giving a 5 seater.


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    #75
    OldGuysRule
    Registered Users Posts: 451 ✭✭OldGuysRule


    The Discovery 2 is longer in the boot area than the Disco 1 . . .


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    #76
    strange john
    Registered Users Posts: 41 ✭strange john


    Are any large estate cars big enough to do this with too? I'm thinking Volvo xc70 or an e class merc estate. 30% of the wheelbase has to be the rear cargo area. Anyone know of anything that could fit the bill?


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    #77
    gofaster_s13
    Registered Users Posts: 942 ✭✭✭gofaster_s13


    No estate car I've measured(5 series tourings, E class Mercs, XC70/90's) has met the boot door area requirements, a lot of people carriers will meet the measurements though.


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    #78
    Milton09
    Registered Users Posts: 451 ✭✭Milton09


    Anybody know if it is possible to claim back some of the VAT on a converted crewcab, as its commercial now?


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    #79
    kuro2k
    Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭kuro2k


    strange john wrote: »
    I've just taxed mine today after doing the work myself. There was no issue. My landcruiser is now a category N1 vehicle, which is the new designation for light (ie under 3500 kg) goods vehicles.

    Did you change your insurance from private to commercial or did your insurance allow you to insure the category N1 with private insurance with the policy addition to carry goods in connection with your trade or profession?


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    #80
    markw81
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭markw81


    I have 00 Mercedes ml 270 that I was going to covert to commercial. But this would be a better way for me the back door has the size but is there a enough size in the back with seats in it??
    Any help would be great.


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    #81
    strange john
    Registered Users Posts: 41 ✭strange john


    kuro2k wrote: »
    Did you change your insurance from private to commercial or did your insurance allow you to insure the category N1 with private insurance with the policy addition to carry goods in connection with your trade or profession?

    Changed it to commercial. It's for farm use so insured with FBD at a reasonable level. I hear standard commercial insurance can be pricier.


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    #82
    kuro2k
    Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭kuro2k


    strange john wrote: »
    Changed it to commercial. It's for farm use so insured with FBD at a reasonable level. I hear standard commercial insurance can be pricier.

    Thanks, spoke with my insurance company yesterday (axa). Once I change classification from M1 to N1 I can keep private insurance and add carriage of goods for profession or trade

    Axa will not insure it commercially with the rear seats, I'm converting a 96 3rd gen Hilux Surf


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    #83
    ubs69
    Registered Users Posts: 309 ✭✭ubs69


    Any one know how to measure area of aperture for vehicles with two or more rows of seats ?


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    #84
    101sean
    Registered Users Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    Read back up the thread, the dimensions are in earlier posts.


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    #85
    ubs69
    Registered Users Posts: 309 ✭✭ubs69


    101sean wrote: »
    Read back up the thread, the dimensions are in earlier posts.

    I did , I might of missed it ! But I think it only gives the size of aperture as over 12000 , I would like to know Which measurements are used to get this


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    #86
    ubs69
    Registered Users Posts: 309 ✭✭ubs69


    ubs69 wrote: »
    I did , I might of missed it ! But I think it only gives the size of aperture as over 12000 , I would like to know Which measurements are used to get this

    Sorry should be 12800 cm2


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    #87
    ubs69
    Registered Users Posts: 309 ✭✭ubs69


    Is it just a case of measuring the opening at rear cm 2 ,


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    #88
    pp007
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭pp007


    Finally done! My HiluxSurf '96 is officially a CrewCab.
    It cost some money and a lot of patience.

    First of all thanks to 'strange_john' for his suggestion about certified engineer.
    So how it worked in my case? In order how I did it.

    - Weight bridge at 'Roadstone' in Finglas (location: driving form city N2 pass M50 and turn first left and then left) cost: 30euro
    - Certified engineer report 'Devine Coaches' in Navan (location: Garlow Cross, Lismullen, south of Navan) cost: 200euro
    - DOE now CVRT disk at 'Kavanagh test centre' in Duleek(location: R152 from Duleek to Drogheda) cost: 115euro
    (test center do not give disk, it's issued by CVRT and they issue it for 6months, I've call them and ask for a 12months as I was previously owner of the car and it is just change of class, no problem at all)
    - Commercial insurance (that was requirement from Ballymun MotorTax as I'm not a VAT registered) so I get the best offer form insuremyvan.ie - cost: 480euro
    - Form 111A stamp at Garda next to tax office.
    - Tax office, Ballymun. All documents (weight doc., eng. cert. and report., log book, insurance, form 111 and 111a) and all sorted in less than 10min. Cost: 333euro

    :)


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    #89
    ubs69
    Registered Users Posts: 309 ✭✭ubs69


    Did you do test 48 ! , and who changed you log book to crewcab


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    #90
    pp007
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭pp007


    ubs69 wrote: »
    Did you do test 48 ! , and who changed you log book to crewcab

    A result of test 48 is eng. cert. of conversion (stamped form 'VRTCONV'), so it has to be done.
    Logbook submitted with all documents in motor tax office. After three days received back new one.


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    ubs69
    Registered Users Posts: 309 ✭✭ubs69


    pp007 wrote: »
    A result of test 48 is eng. cert. of conversion (stamped form 'VRTCONV'), so it has to be done.
    Logbook submitted with all documents in motor tax office. After three days received back new one.

    I think test 48 is seperate to conversion form , it's 16 pages of measurements And dimensions ! Have you done it ?


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