Building Control (Amendment) Regulations 2013

DOCARCH · 06-03-2014 9:32pm

martinn123 wrote: »

Apparently.

That's the key word. When push comes to shove, I'd be very surprised/shocked if LA official would sign/stamp anything (other than a prescribed form that is).

DOCARCH · 07-03-2014 8:23am

I see in South Dublin CC the pool of potential certifiers has been expanded...

http://www.sdcc.ie/services/planning/commencement-completion/guide-to-the-building-control-amendment-regulations-2014

...to include Registered Quantity Surveyors. :cool:

sydthebeat · 07-03-2014 8:26am

Wow that's some cock up

DOCARCH · 07-03-2014 8:30am

sydthebeat wrote: »

Wow that's some cock up

Just fired them off a quick email to point out the error of their ways!

sydthebeat · 07-03-2014 8:35am

DOCARCH wrote: »

Just fired them off a quick email to point out the error of their ways!

It's as if they are working off the first draft of SI80

Happyman42 · 07-03-2014 10:37am

Has another piece of legislation caused as big a mess? Flipping disaster!

DOCARCH · 07-03-2014 10:40am

Happyman42 wrote: »

Has another piece of legislation caused as big a mess? Flipping disaster!

I deleted 'has' and '?'...now it is a statement of fact (no question about it).

Gumbo · 07-03-2014 3:16pm

DOCARCH wrote: »

I see in South Dublin CC the pool of potential certifiers has been expanded...

http://www.sdcc.ie/services/planning/commencement-completion/guide-to-the-building-control-amendment-regulations-2014

...to include Registered Quantity Surveyors. :cool:

sydthebeat wrote: »

Wow that's some cock up

DOCARCH wrote: »

Just fired them off a quick email to point out the error of their ways!

sydthebeat wrote: »

It's as if they are working off the first draft of SI80

I hear its got something to do with article 5 of the Act, that allows registered members of the SCSI to lodge?

I may have been misguided though

DOCARCH · 07-03-2014 3:35pm

kceire wrote: »

I hear its got something to do with article 5 of the Act, that allows registered members of the SCSI to lodge?

I may have been misguided though

There are 12 different types of surveyor who are/can be registered/chartered members of the SCSI, including Building Surveyoirs, Quantity Surveyors, Mineral Surveyors, Land Surveyors, Art & Antique Surveyors.

If an Art & Antique Surveyor can act as Design/Assigned Certifier I will eat my hat!

mandy gall · 07-03-2014 3:35pm

Id say it's mahem in the DOE offices - thanks to Phil.

DOCARCH · 07-03-2014 3:44pm

kceire wrote: »

I hear its got something to do with article 5 of the Act...

Checked this out. Part 5 of the 2007 Act soley relates to Building Surveyors. They are the only type of surveyor that can act as Design/Assigned Certifiers.

Part 4 of the 2007 Act relates to Quantity Surveyors...they cannot act as Design/Assigned Certifiers.

Gumbo · 07-03-2014 3:44pm

DOCARCH wrote: »

There are 12 different types of surveyor who are/can be registered/chartered members of the SCSI, including Building Surveyoirs, Quantity Surveyors, Mineral Surveyors, Land Surveyors, Art & Antique Surveyors.

If an Art & Antique Surveyor can act as Design/Assigned Certifier I will eat my hat!

But they mention, and i quote :

•A Registered Building Surveyor
•A Registered Quantity Surveyor

DOCARCH · 07-03-2014 4:02pm

kceire wrote: »

But they mention, and i quote :

As far as I can see 'they' got it wrong!

shane6977 · 07-03-2014 4:48pm

CIAT calls on Minister Hogan to resolve registration omission from the Building Control (Amendment) Regulations 2014

http://www.ciat.org.uk/en/international/republic-of-ireland.cfm

sydthebeat · 07-03-2014 4:53pm

kceire wrote: »

But they mention, and i quote :

thats exactly the error we are highlighting

Quantity surveyors were included when discussions began re the amendment... but they were quickly removed so that only part 5 surveyors ie 'Building' were included.

No6 · 07-03-2014 5:37pm

DOCARCH wrote: »

Checked this out. Part 5 of the 2007 Act soley relates to Building Surveyors. They are the only type of surveyor that can act as Design/Assigned Certifiers.

Part 4 of the 2007 Act relates to Quantity Surveyors...they cannot act as Design/Assigned Certifiers.

What about Building Control Surveyors, I have noticed that the act related to Building Surveyors but there is another beast called the Building Control Surveyor who essentially deals with wait for it Building Control (yes that's the same as the title of the Act.. Building Control Act!!)

shane6977 · 07-03-2014 6:14pm

No6 wrote: »

What about Building Control Surveyors, I have noticed that the act related to Building Surveyors but there is another beast called the Building Control Surveyor who essentially deals with wait for it Building Control (yes that's the same as the title of the Act.. Building Control Act!!)

have always wondered what qualifications are required to be a Building Control Officer? and how does that sit against those qualifications deemed fit to certify?

sydthebeat · 07-03-2014 6:59pm

shane6977 wrote: »

have always wondered what qualifications are required to be a Building Control Officer? and how does that sit against those qualifications deemed fit to certify?

a public service contract and some CPD courses.......

Gumbo · 07-03-2014 7:03pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

a public service contract and some CPD courses.......

I would take insult to that!

Gumbo · 07-03-2014 7:05pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

thats exactly the error we are highlighting

Quantity surveyors were included when discussions began re the amendment... but they were quickly removed so that only part 5 surveyors ie 'Building' were included.

My apologies. I obviously read the posts too quick. I get where he are coming from now.

sydthebeat · 07-03-2014 7:08pm

kceire wrote: »

I would take insult to that!

My apologies kceire, No insult intended to those BCOs that are great at their job, it just happens that my local BCO is exactly the above.
In Fifteen years working I have never seen him in a building site, not ever heard of a site visit by him to anything but a housing estate.

Gumbo · 07-03-2014 7:34pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

My apologies kceire, No insult intended to those BCOs that are great at their job, it just happens that my local BCO is exactly the above.
In Fifteen years working I have never seen him in a building site, not ever heard of a site visit by him to anything but a housing estate.

Agh it was tongue in cheek anyway

Where are you based Sydney?

Corkblowin · 07-03-2014 7:46pm

I heard at one of the presentations with phased completions are acceptable under the new regs, but I can't see where such a procedure is outlined (it is Friday evening mind!). If, for example, you submit a commencement notice for 50 houses (those were the days), can you not occupy the first until the last is complete? Or is it 50 separate notices?

DOCARCH · 07-03-2014 7:47pm

No6 wrote: »

What about Building Control Surveyors, I have noticed that the act related to Building Surveyors but there is another beast called the Building Control Surveyor who essentially deals with wait for it Building Control (yes that's the same as the title of the Act.. Building Control Act!!)

Ask Phil Hogan! :pac:

Gumbo · 07-03-2014 8:58pm

Corkblowin wrote: »

I heard at one of the presentations with phased completions are acceptable under the new regs, but I can't see where such a procedure is outlined (it is Friday evening mind!). If, for example, you submit a commencement notice for 50 houses (those were the days), can you not occupy the first until the last is complete? Or is it 50 separate notices?

You can still lodge one CN and state that the build is in 2 phases. We got one the other day for 147 houses

It was always my understanding that the council would release hold over individual houses for sales once contributions are paid.

So in your case for an easy example, 50 houses. Contributions owed of €50,000 (to make it easy).

Our contributions dept release houses on a paid for system, so 10 houses sold, the council get €10,000 and they issues compliance receipt for those 10 houses.

Don't know whether that comes across right in text, hope you can understand, as you say, it's Friday evening and I've a long neck of bulmers beside me

sydthebeat · 07-03-2014 9:03pm

So do we envisage a situation where someone buys a newly built house, transfers funds to developer, but are precluded from occupying the house until the developer pays the contribution and the council in turn conclude the SI9 action?
... possibly 3-4 weeks procedure?

kkelliher · 08-03-2014 8:25pm

Do they not know that a quantity surveyor would never be onsite? we have a strict code of cleanliness, heated offices and only go to site to get some air. The taught of certifying would be hazardous to out health........

martinn123 · 08-03-2014 9:13pm

kkelliher wrote: »

Do they not know that a quantity surveyor would never be onsite? we have a strict code of cleanliness, heated offices and only go to site to get some air. The taught of certifying would be hazardous to out health........

Well at least you won't be submitting a "massively increased invoice".

4Sticks · 08-03-2014 9:20pm

martinn123 wrote: »

Well at least you won't be submitting a "massively increased invoice".

But I will. I am a rhino. Thick skinned and liable to charge anything.

martinn123 · 08-03-2014 9:42pm

4Sticks wrote: »

But I will. I am a rhino. Thick skinned and liable to charge anything.

To clarify, I have assumed you are actually one of those who will not be submitting any invoice, to this chaos. , ( my apologies if I am wrong ) .

It's hard to keep track of who actually has a dog in this fight, or who is still waiting for "Uncle Phil, " to let them play.

Building Control (Amendment) Regulations 2013

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