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20-07-2014, 18:30   #3571
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Hang on I'll get my net and I'll scoop up all these red herrings for you. There you go. What did you want to do with them?

Anyway, your phrase bishops are not politicians made me laugh. As regards the likes of Google et al. They are corporations bound by law, out to make a profit and they don't care what my personal beliefs are as long as I buy their crap. Microsoft won't be asking me what my beliefs are if I want to buy an xbox and won't discriminate against me on foot of any belief or lack of belief. They just want my money.
Social Justice Ireland cares about how you live your life. Peta cares about how you live your life. Green Peace cares about your personal beliefs and I don't see you referring to them. Double standard as you have an axe to grind. Pure and simple.

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Religions on the other hand sell belief. If the actions of the RCC are anything to go by the attitude seems to be do as we say nevermind what we do.
Completely untrue.

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No accountability
I guess no one told you about many senior resignations that have occurred in the last ten years or the huge effort to create child protection policy. Or the church's own self funded child protection watch dog the National Board for Safeguarding Children. You really are ignoring so much of the last 10 years. I am starting to think you are just trying to wind me up...
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20-07-2014, 18:54   #3572
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Social Justice Ireland cares about how you live your life. Peta cares about how you live your life. Green Peace cares about your personal beliefs and I don't see you referring to them. Double standard as you have an axe to grind. Pure and simple.

Completely untrue.


I guess no one told you about many senior resignations that have occurred in the last ten years or the huge effort to create child protection policy. Or the church's own self funded child protection watch dog the National Board for Safeguarding Children. You really are ignoring so much of the last 10 years. I am starting to think you are just trying to wind me up...
Wind you up. Don't think so. As regards a few resignations and window dressing, that's all it is. PR. I have not seen any meaningful reform of the institution worth considering. As far as I'm aware laity have no meaningful input into the running of the organisation. From what I can see whenever there is a crisis the buck gets passed faster than a live grenade.

Everything I've seen in relation to the church reminds me of a multinational protecting it's interests. Not a church interested in it's members or the societies they live in.

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To be crystal clear, of course more accountability is good and it is reasonable to say that as the Catholic church is a very ancient organisation it does not have the best protocols for this. However it is unfair to say there is no accountability and it is unreasonable to insist that plebiscite elections are the only option. Huge effort has gone to increase transparency, modernise and improve standards in all areas and more of this is very welcome. However it will never be enough for some over zealous secularists who seem to be unable to let go of this outdated 19th cen Grand narrative.
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