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Dublin City Council - Bin Collection Privatised/Greyhound Megathread

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  • #62
    notonemorecent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭notonemorecent


    Am i wrong in saying Greyhound Recycling is owned by a northern Ireland comapny ?

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  • #63
    Faith+1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Faith+1


    My father works in Finglas on the Bin Lorry and from what he's telling me it's going to be bedlem next Monday in Finglas. Residents are telling them that Greyhound better allow them throw there bags in the Lorry (Which DCC Allow) or they'll block the truck from doing any work, they'll illegally dump their rubbish and they'll even resort to violence against the Greyhound staff.

    I can see Greyhound handing the Contract back to DCC. This will not be an easy transfer.

    One of the reasons for the Handover is because of useless TD's were telling people not to pay their charges calling it a "Stealth" Tax. One of these was SF's Dessie Ellis and my father said his bin was always out and got lifted. No doubt they'll be out in force again telling people not to pay this new crowd, yet they'll have their bin out for collection. Whether it's taxpayers money, I don't know.
    You don't see this in the news, Typical of this country.


  • #64
    Dirk Gently
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭Dirk Gently


    Dodge wrote: »
    I've already posted here that Thorntons do serve some areas of Dublin City Council, so there's no 'package' or monopoly. They choose to not serve your area, which is different

    no monopoly when you can pick and choose like yourself. looks different from where I am though. So what exactly did greyhound achieve by winning the contract if it's so easy to pick and choose. surely all their new customers can just as easily become old customers? What was the prize exactly? The other contractors aren't exactly trying to muscle in on the new areas either. I've had negative responses from everyone so far.

    My area is a monopoly, - greyhound being the only provider, I'm just trying to work out if certain areas where guaranteed as part of their contract or if it's just a case that the other companies are unwilling to enter a large juicy new market for some bizarre reason unrelated to dub city and greyhounds new deal.


  • #65
    alexonhisown
    Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭alexonhisown


    Just wondering if anyone has received any notice either from DCC or greyhound about this changeover. Dont know whether bins will be collected on same day as before and do we need to have account set up before monday. Looks like they require people to pay the annual charge in full in advance (not quarterly) before they will lift your bin. Has anyone found an alternative to greyhound in north dublin. I cant find any other company that serves north dublin.


  • #66
    Stripey Cat
    Registered Users Posts: 741 ✭✭✭Stripey Cat


    Faith+1 wrote: »
    I can see Greyhound handing the Contract back to DCC. This will not be an easy transfer.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1rcmpOOJAw


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  • #67
    Dodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,144 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Dirk Gently wrote: »
    no monopoly when you can pick and choose like yourself

    TO be clear, I gave you other examples of areas within DCC.


  • #68
    Dirk Gently
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭Dirk Gently


    alexonhisown wrote: »
    Has anyone found an alternative to greyhound in north dublin. I cant find any other company that serves north dublin.
    It seems panda stop at Fingal and greyhound take over dub city north from there. I can't find anyone else either. No reasons given, just we don't serve your area and have no plans to do so.

    I think we're stuck with greyhound and at the mercy of their prices and service quality.


  • #69
    notonemorecent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭notonemorecent


    Just received confirmation from Greyhound that there will be no action taken against people who do not pay there charges other than they will not collect there bins. For all those people who wanted to protest against the bin charges nows your chance!


  • #70
    Dirk Gently
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭Dirk Gently


    Dodge wrote: »
    TO be clear, I gave you other examples of areas within DCC.

    go to their website, check their areas. all south west dublin. Now, just for a second, imagine you live in north dublin and you ring all the providers and none operate in north dublin except the one the council awarded the contract to. Now read your post and ask yourself, are you being helpful? should I move to ballyfermot to make your post relevant?

    I'm trying to figure out if greyhound were "awarded" north dublin as part of their contract, hence why other providers appear unwilling to entertain collecting bins here. North dub is a big market, why is only one company working it?


  • #71
    Dodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,144 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Do you honestly think an open forum will give you the answer you want?

    I'm pointing out that competition exists in some DCC areas. The helpful part might be to remove your monopoly idea. When you contacted these companies did they say "we've no plans for the areas" or "we have no contract for the area"

    Others have posted about possible problems with private bin collectiosn here. Maybe thats the reason...


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  • #72
    Drummerboy2
    Registered Users Posts: 876 ✭✭✭Drummerboy2


    Whats going to happen to people who owe DCC money from unpaid bin charges. Will Greyhound pursue them for the arrears or can punters start afresh.


  • #73
    Dirk Gently
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭Dirk Gently


    Dodge wrote: »
    . The helpful part might be to remove your monopoly idea. .
    It's hard to remove the monopoly idea when I'm being asked to pay a year up front to the most expensive provider and no one else seems to operate domestic collections in north dub. If I thought next month I'd see 4 trucks from different companies collecting bins on my street I'd hold off paying greyhound and shop around. Is it inconceivable that they might have rights to certain areas for a certain period of time as part of their contract?
    Dodge wrote: »
    Do you honestly think an open forum will give you the answer you want? .

    I've asked dub city themselves about the particulars of competition and greyhound but am waiting for them to come back to me. I should probably stop venting on here or move to ballyer in the mean time. :pac:

    I'm more interested in if other people on here from the northside have managed to source alternatives. I thought it would be quicker than waiting for dub city to get back to me.


  • #74
    alentejo
    Registered Users Posts: 885 ✭✭✭alentejo


    Am I missing something

    Am I going to get a bill in January for my bins dated October to December (incl part of January). This will include the 25€ standing charge for quarter 4 2011 plus bins collected during this period. This in my case would be 50€. Am I also expected to pay another 100€ up front for 2012 plus some credit for future bin collections. So my 50€ bin charge is €150 plus in January with less than 3 weeks notice???


    It seems very unfair.
    If I am expected to pay 100€ upfront standing charge, the lease I would expect is that charges are held for one year. Ie I pay a annual standing charge of and in July they hike up the costs. Seems very unfair.

    This seems to have been sprung upon us very suddenly.Less than 3 weeks notice. This along with new 100€ household charge and the general January blues regarding bills etc.

    I am suprised there is not uproar on this or am I missing something?


  • #75
    Stripey Cat
    Registered Users Posts: 741 ✭✭✭Stripey Cat


    I am also surprised that more people aren't protesting about this. I guess the leftwing parties like Sinn Fein and the Socialist Party have burnt themselves out on the bin charges, and the others on the Council like Dermot Lacey who were always on about the waiver etc must be quite embarrassed about the current situation.

    I suppose people are ringing up Joe Duffy, but like the household charge, he won't touch it. I wonder why the pensioners organisations aren't making any noise about it.

    They will all find themselves liable for this now that the waivers are going, won't they?


  • #76
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,865 ✭✭✭✭January


    Dirk Gently wrote: »
    I've had confirmation from both thorntons and city bin that thy don't service my area and have no plans in the forseeable future to do so. Not sure if thats their own decision or if they are prevented from coming into the area because greyhound have taken over from dcc, either way I'm left with just greyhound. If it is open to competition then what does the deal between dcc and greyhound involve?

    edit: Anyone from Fingal want to comment on their service. Panda say they have the contract for the whole of fingal after a tender process. Is there any competition in Fingal like there seems to be southside?

    Citybin service some areas, but not all so some areas are stuck in a monopoly by having to use Panda.

    Also, I rang Greyhound to see if they'd be able to take on customers in D15 and they said that they wouldn't be allowed to, not that they aren't and had no plans, just that they wouldn't be allowed to service the area.


  • #77
    HeidiHeidi
    Registered Users Posts: 28,769 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    What fascinates me about this is that Greyhound are demanding the full year's payment up front, plus credit in your account before they'll lift your bin. Unless you're willing to top up your account every time you're going to put your bin out - and I'm willing to bet most people will put 3 or 6 months' worth on the card just for handiness sake - they're going to have quite a whack of money at their disposal.

    A nice little interest earner for them.


  • #78
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,865 ✭✭✭✭January


    HeidiHeidi wrote: »
    What fascinates me about this is that Greyhound are demanding the full year's payment up front, plus credit in your account before they'll lift your bin. Unless you're willing to top up your account every time you're going to put your bin out - and I'm willing to bet most people will put 3 or 6 months' worth on the card just for handiness sake - they're going to have quite a whack of money at their disposal.

    A nice little interest earner for them.

    With Panda, you have to pay the full years payment up front and then they bill you for your lifts quarterly.


  • #79
    HeidiHeidi
    Registered Users Posts: 28,769 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    January wrote: »
    With Panda, you have to pay the full years payment up front and then they bill you for your lifts quarterly.

    A much fairer way of going at it. But if you can get away with doing it the other way, why wouldn't you? No bad debts, and like I say, all that interest to be accumulated. Win/win.


  • #80
    Stripey Cat
    Registered Users Posts: 741 ✭✭✭Stripey Cat


    Loads of people are going to illegally dump their rubbish though aren't they?


  • #81
    Faith+1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Faith+1


    Stripey Cat wrote: »
    Loads of people are going to illegally dump their rubbish though aren't they?

    100% Guaranteed.


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  • #82
    Faith+1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Faith+1


    Stripey Cat wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1rcmpOOJAw

    That was some funny sh*t there!! Lol


  • #83
    Faith+1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Faith+1


    Drummerboy2 wrote: »
    Whats going to happen to people who owe DCC money from unpaid bin charges. Will Greyhound pursue them for the arrears or can punters start afresh.

    Yes, From what my father has told me, DCC gave Greyhound the books so they know exactly who owes what and where they are. Greyhound will be pursing all outstanding balances.

    They are already down money from buying the contract off DCC and they will do whatevers necessary to recoup lost revenue. If people taught DCC where rutless they've seen nothing yet.


  • #84
    notonemorecent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭notonemorecent


    well they won't be getting one cent out of me and that's a fact !
    the only reason I had paid bin charges up to this was the threat of being brought to court, with that removed I am able to protest at charges for this service.
    I would also wonder what service will be next to be privatised ?
    the water ?


  • #85
    TrueDub
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,635 Mod ✭✭✭✭TrueDub


    notonemorecent wrote: »
    well they won't be getting one cent out of me and that's a fact !
    the only reason I had paid bin charges up to this was the threat of being brought to court, with that removed I am able to protest at charges for this service.
    I would also wonder what service will be next to be privatised ?
    the water ?

    Out of interest, what will you do with your rubbish then? I assume that as you're doing this out of principle you won't be fly-tipping, putting it into other peoples' bins or using public refuse bins.


  • #86
    Ronan|Raven
    Registered Users Posts: 8,140 ✭✭✭Ronan|Raven


    notonemorecent wrote: »
    well they won't be getting one cent out of me and that's a fact !
    the only reason I had paid bin charges up to this was the threat of being brought to court, with that removed I am able to protest at charges for this service.
    I would also wonder what service will be next to be privatised ?
    the water ?

    So you dont feel you should have to pay to have your waste disposed of?


  • #87
    Dodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,144 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    notonemorecent wrote: »
    I would also wonder what service will be next to be privatised ?

    It can't be that big a shock to you when everywhere else in the country ahd already been privatised?


  • #88
    notonemorecent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭notonemorecent


    I actually do pay for my waste to be collected it's called tax's

    Dublin City Council’s Recycling Centres will continue to operate as normal. Bagged household domestic waste will continue to be accepted at both Ringsend and North Strand Recycling Centres. A charge of €4 applies for each 80 litre bag of domestic waste disposed of. This is the option I will use.
    at a residence meeting last night several options were coming to light including fractional ownership.
    basically two or more house will pay between them to use the one bin my next door neighbour is splitting the fees with the other neighbours house halving the bill for them.
    other people have said the will use less ideal options as you mention like burning paper and cardboard waste and fly tipping and using public bins.


  • #89
    Dodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,144 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    notonemorecent wrote: »
    I actually do pay for my waste to be collected it's called tax's

    Not anymore its not.

    The recycling centre option is a decent route to take


  • #90
    Meauldsegosha
    Registered Users Posts: 7,595 ✭✭✭Meauldsegosha


    Apart from bob11 has anyone else received their info pack? I haven't received mine neither have my neighbours.

    There could be a lot of calls to Joe Duffy next week when bins aren't emptied. 😉


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  • #91
    HeidiHeidi
    Registered Users Posts: 28,769 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    I got my letter and collection timetable today. All pretty much as previously outlined here, except for one bit which caught my eye.

    "GREYHOUND RECYCLING AND RECOVERY BIN TAGS"
    - New Greyhound Recycling and Recovery bin tags will be available from the usual outlets from 16th January 2012
    - Customers can start using Greyhound Recycling and Recovery bin tags from 16th January 2012
    - Bags will not be collected from customers without a Greyhound Recycling and Recovery bin tag after 16th March 2012.

    They say "the usual outlets" - I've never had to tag my green bag before, so I don't have a "usual outlet". Do they mean the outlets that sold the DCC bin tags? Will they be giving them away, or charging for them? If giving them away, why not just deliver a batch of tags with your green bags? And if they're charging for them - well that's a new one on me - I thought the recycling collection was to remain free for the foreseeable?

    Hmmmmm.

    ETA - for clarity, I should say again that I don't have wheelie bins, I put out "black" and "green" bags.


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