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Intruder Alarm Questions and Answers

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    #122
    fred funk }{
    Registered Users Posts: 6,827 ✭✭✭fred funk }{


    NewRSoul wrote: »
    Hi,

    As there seems to be a few knowledgeable people on here - Can the CS-250 and it's on board dialler do SIA signalling into a Monitoring Centre?

    I'v read the book I've got (looks really old though) and it looks like you need to blow a chip, but it does look like ContactID or Fast Format only.

    Thanks in advance!

    Yes the CS250 can use SIA. If your panel is a very old one send me a PM and I can flash it for you. Where abouts are you?


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    #123
    fred funk }{
    Registered Users Posts: 6,827 ✭✭✭fred funk }{


    first of all i did'nt say i was having trouble repairing astec panels. i said my heart was broken repairing the worthless piece of crap

    Anybody that has trouble removing two screws from a PCB to replace a battery is clearly incompetent and shouldn't be let near anything of an electrical nature never mind an alarm system.
    i seriously doubt you could change your shirt in 1 minute judging by some of the amatuerish comments i have seen your names attached to

    Please explain. Any contributions I have made in these forums is in good faith and is from my experience in the industry.
    and thirdly its called dual end of line and it is optional on the HKC panel as is non eol and single eol.

    I can assure you I know what it means. When I said "you don't have to Dual the resistors" I shortened the sentence instead of "you don't have to Dual end of line the resistors" Understand now?

    before you start pointing people in the direction of astec and aritech, explain to them why most wholesalers dont stock astec and why hkc outsells aritech by such a wide margin.

    As koolkid said, most people buy direct from Astec so most wholesalers don't stock them. A good indication of how many systems each manufactures has installed is by their Bell-boxes on houses/businesses. You will find that Astec has a lot.


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    #124
    Ferny
    Registered Users Posts: 62 ✭✭Ferny


    Guys, hope someone can help.

    I bought a house 12yo approx 3 years ago , it was already fitted with an alarm, The alarm constantly went off so I do not set it anymore. I tightened thealarm covers in the rooms as was told that in hot weather the plastic swells but it didn't fix the problem. I was also told that i could not get anyone to repair it as the engineers code was needed for this - is this true?

    Can anyone recommend a fix for this.

    Also wanted to get aN SMS alert fitted so that i could be alerted when it does go off - any ideas


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    #125
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    If the system is 12 years old its more than likely some faulty sensors\contacts.
    You can get any company to look at this alarm for you. Any competant engineer would be able to access the system.
    Upgrading the system would enable you to set up text alerts. The new Astec Fusion would be the ideal system here. PM me your details if you would like to get someone to look at it for you


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    #126
    Ferny
    Registered Users Posts: 62 ✭✭Ferny


    Cheers for that, have PM'd you my details...


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    #127
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Got that. We'll get that sorted for you.


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    #128
    fold2john
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4 ✭fold2john


    I wont reply to most of the junk you have written. Just 2 things. Firstly, check your standards if you have a copy that is. Non EOL does conform to EN.

    Secondly if you are so wise and such a godsend to the industry, why do you have so much time on your hands to spend on message boards???


    :D


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    #129
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    fold2john wrote: »
    I wont reply to most of the junk you have written.
    Including the question as to whether you are a licenced installer
    fold2john wrote: »
    check your standards Non EOL does conform to EN.
    I am starting to think you are not even an installer ,full stop.
    Wiring a zone nol eol means, there is a possibility that any inertias on that zone will not work. It also means that a short circut on that zone will leave points of entry unsecured & will go undetected & not register a fault.Kindly explain how you feel that is up to any sort of standard. If you feel that is acceptable then you are also incompetant.
    fold2john wrote: »
    if you are so wise and such a godsend to the industry, why do you have so much time on your hands to spend on message boards???
    Its called mobile broadband :P . Can you kindly back up that statement
    with how many hours I have spent here this week??

    John in the few posts you have made since registering here you have not made one bit of sense. You have shown yourself to have little or no understanding of the industry, little or no understanding of the working of a security system and totally the wrong manner for work within the service industry in general.
    You wish to argue about everything , but when challanged on any point you refuse to reply. Either debate or your point, if you can or go away & leave it to the people who know what they are talking about.


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    #130
    Stoner
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 10,952 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    Lets keep the sticky clear of flames please lads, it looks like one could start here soon, so please don't let it happen.


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    #131
    def345
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭def345


    Hi,

    I have a aritech cs350.
    The battery was low, and I didn't replace it, and when I did there was a fuse problem. End result, now the keypads are not showing anything. No power light or display although they're showing 12V using a multimeter.
    I'm pretty sure I've fried the panel, so was thinking of replacing it, but using the current sensors and bell and wiring.
    I was wondering if anyone knows which panel would be compatible,
    I'm thinking of either

    a) Aritech CS250M Control Panel
    b) HKC SW812 Secure Watch Panel

    Obviously I'll be more careful installing this one ;)

    Thanks for any help,

    Def


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    #132
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Either will do but more up to date systems would be The Astec Fusion & The Europlex Signet. The fusion also has the option of Text dialling & is much more flexible & future proof.
    On the higher end of the Signet panel you have the option of IP connection to give you access from any web browser or your mobile.
    The HKC is very dated & this stage & you are really just replacing like with like. Its a bit like replacing an old mobile phone & getting no new features.


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    #133
    def345
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭def345


    Thanks Koolkid,
    Do you know how much more the Astec Fusion/Europlex Signet costs approx?
    I'd never really considered extra features, but I can see how they might be handy.


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    #134
    Cadzer
    Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭Cadzer


    koolkid wrote: »
    Either will do but more up to date systems would be The Astec Fusion & The Europlex Signet. The fusion also has the option of Text dialling & is much more flexible & future proof.
    On the higher end of the Signet panel you have the option of IP connection to give you access from any web browser or your mobile.
    The HKC is very dated & this stage & you are really just replacing like with like. Its a bit like replacing an old mobile phone & getting no new features.

    I have to disagree. The HKC panel 8/12 is alot easier to install. You can also get a Text dialler to i think its cheaper to but could be wrong.


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    #135
    Cadzer
    Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭Cadzer


    koolkid wrote: »
    Wiring a zone nol eol means, there is a possibility that any inertias on that zone will not work. It also means that a short circut on that zone will leave points of entry unsecured & will go undetected & not register a fault.

    Having a zone in NOL has no bearing what so ever on inertia sensors not working.

    Wiring in dual end of line has more chance of false activation due to crosstalk on the line , Mains or Data chatter.

    Most panel work on a 5v alarm loop. 0v closed - 5 volts open in NOL

    In Dol the zones closed voltage is 2.5v due to the 4k7 resistor.
    this voltage can in crease due to cross talk and faulse actviate.


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    #136
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Cadzer wrote: »
    Having a zone in NOL has no bearing what so ever on inertia sensors not working.
    I hope you havn,t installed any CS250s with inertias so!!!
    You never mentiond about a fault due to a short going unnoticed :confused:

    Anyway as Stoner requested lets keep the stickey clear.
    If you wish to debate your logic for not using resistors I'd be delighted to hear the reasoning in a new thread.


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    #137
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Installation wise its pretty much the same as any other panel.
    Text dialler is available for the HKC the same as the Fusion, you do not get it free.
    The Fusion has much more features for the same price & its more flexible for future upgrades etc.
    I'm not saying the HKC is not a good panel, just its a bit dated & you can get more features for the same price.

    Delly can we move this to electrical?


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    #138
    Cadzer
    Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭Cadzer


    koolkid wrote: »
    Installation wise its pretty much the same as any other panel.
    Text dialler is available for the HKC the same as the Fusion, you do not get it free.
    The Fusion has much more features for the same price & its more flexible for future upgrades etc.
    I'm not saying the HKC is not a good panel, just its a bit dated & you can get more features for the same price.

    Delly can we move this to electrical?

    I have never used the Fusion panel what featurres does this panel have that the HKC doesnt?

    Amount of Zones , Point ID etc? Voice dialler? No of keypads etc?


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    #139
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Expandable to 80 zones at the moment
    Plus
    1 interface card gives up to 30 2 wire PiRs
    Global or Astec 2 wire bells
    Global or Astec 2 wire zones
    Text & Central Station Reporting
    Upload/Download
    Direct connect to PC
    Real time resistence display for all zones
    4 Line RKP Display
    4 User programmable quick set/navigational keys.
    IP Access on the way
    I could go on but why not get yourself a panel to work on & see for yourself or maybe go along to one of thier training sessions.


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    #140
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    foxirl wrote: »
    koolkid has been a great help to me so far. Thanks for the Astec number

    I called then and they pointed me to a place in limerick that sells their stuff.

    Got quoted 245 ex vat for a 63DV or a 43DV panel with keypad and internal and external sounders so that seems quite good. I know the sensors and PIRs will add more on but still quite a savings

    This seems to be a wired system though.Does anyone know if you can add card to it so it can interact with wireless PIRs or do Astec do a a seperate Wireless system.

    Astec do not do any wireless equipment at the moment, but you can add global wireless devices using the Aritech Quick Bridge reciever


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    #141
    jamesbond
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41 ✭jamesbond


    upgrade to a hkc pan el with the bell and fit a couple of motion sensors tou can put a gsm onboard and not use the phoneline at all,
    mon 180 per year to phonewatch

    hope this helps:o


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    #142
    dcom
    Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭dcom


    Make sure you get a system that has a voice dialler rather than a texting system.

    We had the text system set up fora while but the problem we found was that it sent texts to all the numbers we had listed as contacts when the alarm was activated.

    Then it would send them all another text to say what zone and again when the alarm was re-set.

    We had 5 contact numbers so basically it sent 15 texts every time we had an activation and it was costing a fortune.

    In my opinion the voice dialler is much better and more economical because it rings the lited numbers until somebody answers, so only costs the price of one call...


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    #143
    fishdog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭fishdog


    upgrade to a hkc pan el with the bell
    Yes the HKC is a good system and an external bellbox makes the system much more secure. Many alarms are installed without this and I feel this is often a mistake.
    can put a gsm onboard
    +1. They are getting cheaper all the time and are very simple to install.
    Make sure you get a system that has a voice dialler rather than a texting system.
    + 1. Although your alarm should not be activating often!


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    #144
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    jamesbond wrote: »
    upgrade to a hkc pan el with the bell and fit a couple of motion sensors tou can put a gsm onboard and not use the phoneline at all,
    mon 180 per year to phonewatch

    hope this helps:o

    A better option than HKC would be the Astec Fusion or The Europlex Fusion. Monitoring could be done for a lot less than €180 per year using a voice or text dialler


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    #145
    Ferny
    Registered Users Posts: 62 ✭✭Ferny


    Koolkid... thanks a million for calling out.... alarm working like a dream since you worked on it... really appreciate it and great value too.. will definitely recommend you to anyone i know.. Cheers


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    #146
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Your welcome., Anytime ;)


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    #147
    mark2009
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10 ✭mark2009


    Hi,

    My alarm says "14 Call Engineer". What does that mean?? How do I fix it??

    Thanks in advance!


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    #148
    A-Trak
    Registered Users Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭A-Trak


    Call 14 engineers?

    Sorry.


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    #149
    mark2009
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10 ✭mark2009


    :D:D


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    #150
    Cadzer
    Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭Cadzer


    What make of alarm do you have?
    It sounds like the panel is due a service and the installer put in a message!


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    #151
    Mr. Presentable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,496 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    A quick search found this:


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