Irelands most likely Olympic 2012 Medals

Dodge · 24-05-2012 8:16am

Oh and Shani Stallard and Fiona Doyle go in the 200m breast stroke

Dodge · 24-05-2012 10:05am

Shani and Fiona both qualified for the semi finals, but both were some way off the Qualifying time. Another chance tonight

Pherekydes · 24-05-2012 10:26am

And bad news in the relay with Ireland dropping another spot in the rankings due to Slovenia's good swim.

By my reckoning, Ireland needs to swim faster than 8:06 and finish ahead of Slovenia, Ukraine and Austria. And all that without Gráinne Murphy.

Dodge · 24-05-2012 10:31am

Yeah, 5th in the heats (of the non qualified nations).

A full 5 seconds behind Austria

The only saving grace is that maybe they watched the first heat and knew they had a huge cushion to make final

Dodge · 24-05-2012 10:38am

The splits
McMahon - 2:02.21
Nocher - 2:01.38
Murphy - 2:06.63
Carson - 2:03.08

Dodge · 24-05-2012 10:49am

Dodge wrote: »

The splits
McMahon - 2:02.21
Nocher - 2:01.38
Murphy - 2:06.63
Carson - 2:03.08

As a comprison these are all listed with the following 'Qualifying times' for the 200m Free individual

McMahon -2:00.61
Nocher - 2:00.49
Murphy - 2:03.64
Carson - 2:02.44

So we'll need PBs from pretty much all of them to get that 2:06 time

Dan man · 24-05-2012 11:09am

They need to swim 8:06.67mins and finish ahead of Austria at the very least to have a chance of qualification. Without Grainne, I don't see them getting the National Record but you never know. At least they still have a chance.

Pherekydes · 24-05-2012 12:56pm

Surely they'll have to finish ahead of Ukraine and Slovenia too? Both are ahead of Ireland in the current rankings.

Dan man · 24-05-2012 1:06pm

Pherekydes wrote: »

Surely they'll have to finish ahead of Ukraine and Slovenia too? Both are ahead of Ireland in the current rankings.

Ideally they do, but as my post suggests, the very least they need to do is beat Austria and finish inside 8:06.67mins. At the moment Austria are 4th in the rankings of unqualified teams. Taking into times from last season that is the minimum time they need, anything less and they won't be in top 4 of unqualified nations. But if they dip inside that time they still need no more than 3 unqualified teams to finish ahead of them. Even that might not be enough though.

Dodge · 24-05-2012 1:29pm

any links to the rankings lads?

Dan man · 24-05-2012 1:53pm

Compare times at world championships last year and this years times. I think that's fairly accurate way of doing it.

Dodge · 24-05-2012 2:12pm

yeah, was just wondering if there were any other international meets that I didn't see.

Thanks

Pherekydes · 24-05-2012 2:19pm

4X200 METRES FREESTYLE RELAY FEMALE LC
Rank Time Team Meet Name Meet City Meet Country Date
1 7:46.14 United States 2011 FINA World Championships Shanghai CHN 24/07/2011
2 7:47.42 Australia 2011 FINA World Championships Shanghai CHN 24/07/2011
3 7:47.66 China 2011 FINA World Championships Shanghai CHN 24/07/2011
4 7:52.05 Canada 2011 FINA World Championships Shanghai CHN 24/07/2011
5 7:52.12 Hungary 2011 FINA World Championships Shanghai CHN 24/07/2011
6 7:52.22 France 2011 FINA World Championships Shanghai CHN 24/07/2011
7 7:53.51 Great Britain 2011 FINA World Championships Shanghai CHN 24/07/2011
8 7:56.55 New Zealand 2011 FINA World Championships Shanghai CHN 24/07/2011
9 7:57.82 Japan 2011 FINA World Championships Shanghai CHN 24/07/2011
10 7:58.74 Germany 2011 FINA World Championships Shanghai CHN 24/07/2011
11 7:59.69 Russia 2011 FINA World Championships Shanghai CHN 24/07/2011
12 8:00.69 Spain Open Dutch Championships Eindhoven NED 02/12/2011
13 8:02.30 Sweden 2011 FINA World Championships Shanghai CHN 24/07/2011
14 8:02.69 Italy 2011 FINA World Championships Shanghai CHN 24/07/2011
15 8:03.89 Netherlands Open Dutch Championships Eindhoven NED 02/12/2011
16 8:06.42 Ukraine 2011 FINA World Championships Shanghai CHN 24/07/2011
17 8:06.67 Austria 2011 FINA World Championships Shanghai CHN 24/07/2011
18 8:07.66 Ireland 2011 FINA World Championships Shanghai CHN 24/07/2011
19 8:11.60 Brazil South American Swimming
Championships 2012
Belem BRA 12/03/2012

Slovenia's time from this morning is missing, so Ireland must swim faster than 8:06.1 (I think that was Slovenia's time), and finish ahead of Austria, Ukraine and Slovenia, by my calculations.

Dodge · 24-05-2012 3:16pm

based on best times, here's the 6

Spain - 08:00.7 - 1
Italy - 08:02.7 - 2
Slovenia - 08:06.1 - 3
Ukraine - 08:06.4 - 4
Austria - 08:06.7 - 5
Ireland - 08:07.7 - 6
--

So as Pheredykes said we'd need to beat Austria and the Ukraine and swim lower than 08:06.41

The girls are in lane 1 tonight with Italy and Spain in lanes 1 and 2.

Dan man · 24-05-2012 3:21pm

Good work Pherekydes, so they need to swim under 8:06.10mins and finish ahead of Ukraine, Austria and Slovenia to stand any chance of going to London.

Dan man · 24-05-2012 3:25pm

Dodge wrote: »

based on best times, here's the 6

Spain - 08:00.7 - 1
Italy - 08:02.7 - 2
Slovenia - 08:06.1 - 3
Ukraine - 08:06.4 - 4
Austria - 08:06.7 - 5
Ireland - 08:07.7 - 6
--

So as Pheredykes said we'd need to beat Austria and the Ukraine and swim lower than 08:06.41

The girls are in lane 1 tonight with Italy and Spain in lanes 1 and 2.

You're forgetting the Netherlands are third of those not yet qualified (8:03.89mins). So they need to swim under 8:06.10mins at least.

Dodge · 24-05-2012 3:28pm

grrrr, I was only counting tonight's teams

Dodge · 24-05-2012 5:01pm

Ineteresting to see that in the womens 800m free, the gold was won in a time 7 seconds slower than Grainne Murphy swam in 2010 to win bronze.

Dodge · 24-05-2012 5:51pm

6th in 8:09.xx

Unlikely to qualify now...

Dan man · 24-05-2012 6:09pm

Dodge wrote: »

6th in 8:09.xx

Unlikely to qualify now...

That's a pity, my understanding of the situation is that this meet was their last chance for qualification.

Dan man · 24-05-2012 6:16pm

Dodge wrote: »

Ineteresting to see that in the womens 800m free, the gold was won in a time 7 seconds slower than Grainne Murphy swam in 2010 to win bronze.

I think that's the European short course championships you're comparing it with, Murphy was 4th in the Europeans in 2010 over long course. However, the winning time at these championships is slower than her time from 2010. No Lotte Friis, no Pellegrini, no Addlington here however (Adlington didn't compete in 2010 Euros either).

FitzjamesHorse · 24-05-2012 7:18pm

I will be in Dublin either tomorrow or Saturday.
On recent visits I have been unable to find any Irish Olympic Merchandising.
I read in a magazine that Carrolls (the souvenir shop people) had Olympic souvenirs but I visited two stores and did not see any.
It would seem the OCI is missing out on a fund raising opportunity.

FitzjamesHorse · 24-05-2012 7:23pm

As has been pointed out, the team might well end up in excess of 60 people.
Inevitably there will be people narrowly missing out. And people successfully getting a last minute qualifying standard.
But I think the rules from the past few years are very different from the 1970s and 1980s.
I recall Pat Hickey saying some years ago that there would be no "Olympic tourists" and that people would earn their place.
These days qualification is the name of the game....not just nomination.
While this could be the biggest team ever to represent Ireland, perhaps more importantly it will be the best qualified team to ever represent the country.

Dan man · 24-05-2012 7:33pm

FitzjamesHorse wrote: »

As has been pointed out, the team might well end up in excess of 60 people.
Inevitably there will be people narrowly missing out. And people successfully getting a last minute qualifying standard.
But I think the rules from the past few years are very different from the 1970s and 1980s.
I recall Pat Hickey saying some years ago that there would be no "Olympic tourists" and that people would earn their place.
These days qualification is the name of the game....not just nomination.
While this could be the biggest team ever to represent Ireland, perhaps more importantly it will be the best qualified team to ever represent the country.

I think it is already the largest number of Irish athletes who have qualified as of right for the Olympics (only Derek Burnett in shooting has received an invitation slot so far).
In terms of representation, the record is 78 from Sydney, this will not be beaten this time but as you say, it is a much stronger squad we have assembled this time when compared to that Games.

feargale · 24-05-2012 8:12pm

[Quote=Dan man;

Correct, a men's water polo team in both 1924 and 1928 in fact.[/Quote]
OK, water polo too, but it's still a gap of 60 years plus.
All I know about water polo was gleaned from Jack Lemmon in the film "Some Like It Hot." Recounting his water polo exploits, he said four horses had drowned under him.
Did Noel Purcell of Dublin play water polo for Britain in 1920, and for Ireland in 1924?

Dan man · 24-05-2012 8:41pm

feargale wrote: »

OK, water polo too, but it's still a gap of 60 years plus.
All I know about water polo was gleaned from Jack Lemmon in the film "Some Like It Hot." Recounting his water polo exploits, he said four horses had drowned under him.
Did Noel Purcell of Dublin play water polo for Britain in 1920, and for Ireland in 1924?

made me laugh!

Yes Noel Purcell won gold with the British team in 1920 before representing Ireland 4 years later. Ireland first competed at the Olympics in 1924. He was selected in 1928 also but didn't go in te end up due to work commitments.

Dodge · 24-05-2012 10:34pm

http://www.ffgym.com/applications/montpellier2012/EN/fichier/resultats/seniors/C73I_ResultsApparatus_GA%20Men%20Senior_Concours%20I_Floor.pdf

Kieran Behan qualifies in 3rd place for final of floor exercise at european championship

Dan man · 24-05-2012 11:34pm

Dodge wrote: »

http://www.ffgym.com/applications/montpellier2012/EN/fichier/resultats/seniors/C73I_ResultsApparatus_GA%20Men%20Senior_Concours%20I_Floor.pdf

Kieran Behan qualifies in 3rd place for final of floor exercise at european championship

Very decent score and promising performance with the Olympics on the horizon. The experience of another final, in particular a major championships final will surely be of benefit to him for the future.

knockcon · 25-05-2012 2:00am

Check out the guy in 18th position on that Gymnastics list.Rohan Sebastian. His second score is up there with the best of the competition. Anyone got the word on him?

Pherekydes · 25-05-2012 9:18am

knockcon wrote: »

Check out the guy in 18th position on that Gymnastics list.Rohan Sebastian. His second score is up there with the best of the competition. Anyone got the word on him?

The first score is difficulty, the second execution. He executed a relatively easy routine very well.

Other than that I know nothing about gymnastics. I didn't even know we had more than Behan competing.

Irelands most likely Olympic 2012 Medals

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