Pat Kenny won't cut the grass

gerryo777 wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

Most ignorant and ridiculous post I have ever read

It would be to you, wouldn't it.
Thank God for the ignore list.

Not just to me though Gerry anyone with half a brain would agree hence your disagreement.

The logical progression of the army being unable to cut their own grass has already been experienced by the British Army in the bombing of their base at Deal, Germany ENGLAND in 1989 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deal_barracks_bombing - where the army had some of their security provided by a private company. Truly the lunatics have taken over when the sort of nonsense goes on - probably recommended by some 'fat cat' consultants hired by the MOD. :rolleyes:

I heard an apologist for the army (Mr.Power) on Newstalk this morning and when Yates questioned him about what the army actually do, wheeled out all the usual crap about Guarding Prison (s), Cash in Transit duties, Bomb squad etc. but of course wasn't asked what percentage of the army are trained for/involved in this sort of work. I should imagine the number involved in the bomb squad would be absolutely minisicule. As I posted in another thread Ireland needs to rethink whether it needs an army at all or would it be better to beef up the gardai instead to deal with our out of control crime problem.

There is some amount of ****e being posted in this thread.

• The DF doesn't have a union.
• The DF's vehicle maintenance is carried out by qualified members of the DF.
• To try and pin the blame on the cost of the security of the Queen's visit on the DF is utterly laughable.
• There's not over 8,000 troops sitting around all day doing nothing. Personally, I've been away from home for the past 2 weeks, I'm working in my normal place of employment this week, then gone again for 3 weeks. Obviously, I can't complain because it's what I signed up for but I certainly don't sit around all day doing **** all.
• We cook our own food, service our own vehicles, maintain our own equipment, do our own medical work, carry out our own building work unless it's on a major scale, look after our own bin collection, recycling etc. this concept that the DF sends out tenders for everything is bollocks.

This thing of having civilians cutting the grass in DF locations didn't come from some Private turning around and saying "That's not my job, I'm not doing that" because trust me, once you've cleaned toilets, swept paths, shovelled snow off footpaths etc. being told to cut the grass really isn't a big deal. I've seen soldiers cutting grass plenty of times before.

It came from a decision made most likely, by big dogs in the DoD and DF. If I was to walk into work tomorrow and told to cut the grass, I'd do it. It's a bit of grass.

Anyway, back to the ranting and the raving you all go.

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

The minister for procurement was on Pat Kennys show talking about contractors cutting the grass for the Irish army.

Pat posed the question. ''Why wouldn't the soldiers cut the grass themselves''. His guest replied ''would you cut the grass here at RTE?''

Of course he said no, that he had other things to do.

So AH should RTE or PS workers be asked to cut grass, paint walls or clean up in their own offices?
Do we have to contract every little job out to the private sector?

What do you think?

If it's part of their job, then yes.

If it's not part of their job, then no.

It doesn't matter whether it's public or private sector. If you're in the private sector working as a software engineer, you do that work. If you're in the public sector working as a teacher you teach.

If Pat Kenny chooses to focus his attention on such non issues, then he's a right knobhead.

Judgement Day wrote: »

The logical progression of the army being unable to cut their own grass has already been experienced by the British Army in the bombing of their base at Deal, Germany in 1989 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deal_barracks_bombing - where the army had some of their security provided by a private company. Truly the lunatics have taken over when the sort of nonsense goes on - probably recommended by some 'fat cat' consultants hired by the MOD. :rolleyes:

I heard an apologist for the army (Mr.Power) on Newstalk this morning and when Yates questioned him about what the army actually do, wheeled out all the usual crap about Guarding Prison (s), Cash in Transit duties, Bomb squad etc. but of course wasn't asked what percentage of the army are trained for/involved in this sort of work. I should imagine the number involved in the bomb squad would be absolutely minisicule. As I posted in another thread Ireland needs to rethink whether it needs an army at all or would it be better to beef up the gardai instead to deal with our out of control crime problem.

Idiot.
Check exactly where deal is,Kent is a long way from Germany!

SafeSurfer wrote: »

So the army cook their own food, but who serves it? In my local barracks outside staff are employed to serve the food in the mess.

What barracks is your local one?

I've yet to be in a barracks where food is "served" by anyone other than the chefs in the cookhouse. You walk up with your tray to the food area, chef gives you your food options, you tell him which you want and then you get handed a plate of food.

Simples.

As Poccington and I have both said in our different ways, the decision about grass cutting outsourcing etc. was probably made at some very high level - in the Dept.of Defence etc - and I certainly don't wish to cast any aspersions on the average soldier in the Irish Army. That said, a rethink on what the objectives should be for the army, and the country's real needs i.e. the sorting out of our chronic crime problems, dissidents etc. rather than being prepared to meet some unlikely threat from a foreign power.

tipp_Gunner wrote: »

hondasam wrote: »

Why would I want to cut the grass where I work it's not what I'm paid to do.
People on the dole on the other hand are paid to sit at home scratching let them do it.

Good idea.

It is a good idea if not a little flawed in its suggestion. Not everyone on the dole is at home scratching themselves many are there due to unfortunate circumstances over the last few years but those that are long term unemployed should be made do some work like cutting grass or cleaning the streets to earn their dole give them a sense of independence and helP their self confidence.

No easy way to say it but anyone unemployed for five to ten years gas no excuse and should be made do something to prove they are willing to work.