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When might Eircom to enable vectoring on their eFibre/VDSL service?

KeRbDoG · 2014-01-31 19:08:22

Just starting a thread to see when we might actually see vectoring being enabled by Eircom on their eFibre/VDSL service. I've heard February but has anyone seen/heard anything more solid than that?

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#122 05-03-2014 9:23pm
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Vico1612 wrote: »

Same here ...
Updated from Software version 211 to 214 and FEC errors are through the roof
I also get the new NAT Session info .
Speeds seem ok.
Have posted on Talk to VF forum asking for change log of 214 firmware

Interesting. My connection is fine, no packet loss, 2ms jitter, good speeds.

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#123 05-03-2014 9:34pm
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There were two guys working on an existing cab in the centre of Dundalk this evening. I asked them was it anything to do with Vectoring. They said No but vectoring was coming very soon, some measuring equipment had arrived in the local exchange. Sorry that's all a bit vague but at least they knew what vectoring was. I assume nobody has actually been upgraded yet or we would have seen the Speedtest results here.

I assume this is the newest firmware version for the Eircom F1000 modem?

Firmware Version: 1.00(AAHA.4)D0

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#124 05-03-2014 9:48pm
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Seems to be what I have too : 1.00(AAHA.4)D0

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#125 05-03-2014 10:08pm
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My vodafone modem is also on the newer firmware and I'm also seeing a lot of fec errors like the others have reported here.

Disappointingly my stats have not improved, and I've noticed maybe related maybe not related, but some streaming issues on sky go (hd) and even some on other sites like gametrailers youtube etc.,

DSL synchronization status Up
DSL up time 19:57:29

Line Status
Help
Line standard VDSL2
Channel type
None
Downstream line rate (kbit/s) 71672
Upstream line rate (kbit/s) 20479
Downstream SNR (dB) 9.2
Upstream SNR (dB) 9.2
Downstream line attenuation (dB) 5.9
Upstream line attenuation (dB) 1.7
Downstream output power (dBmV) 12.4
Upstream output power (dBmV) -19.3
Downstream CRC 4
Upstream CRC 3
Downstream FEC 168523
Upstream FEC 32295

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#126 05-03-2014 10:20pm
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That's actually very encouraging for me! You're not too far with an attenuation like that so I'd guess vectoring isn't on yet if you haven't benefited.

The FEC error thing is very strange. Must be just a change in the way the modem is reporting or something.

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#127 05-03-2014 10:27pm
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you can access the VF modem just connect lan cable to pc.

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#128 05-03-2014 10:29pm
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My ping has dropped from 24 to 22 too. My connection is actually performing better than ever.

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#129 05-03-2014 10:45pm
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Did another speedtest from newer laptop and ping is down to 23.

Gateway stats haven't changed in terms of speed

Line standard VDSL2
Channel type
None
Downstream line rate (kbit/s) 71672
Upstream line rate (kbit/s) 20479
Downstream SNR (dB) 19.5
Upstream SNR (dB) 9.8
Downstream line attenuation (dB) 6.1
Upstream line attenuation (dB) 1.6
Downstream output power (dBmV) 13.8
Upstream output power (dBmV) -18.6
Downstream CRC 0
Upstream CRC 24
Downstream FEC 77266
Upstream FEC 540139

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#130 06-03-2014 1:43am
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I got the VF update also. Incredible increase in FEC errors also:
149167 downstream
60212 upstream

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#131 06-03-2014 10:11am
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For anyone with a modem in bridge mode, unlikely that the software will be applied as by definition you have bypassed the modem and terminated the PPP session on a device behind the modem - the modem is simply being used as a VDSL modulator. Why ISPs dont want you to bridge the modem and also shows why copper based VDSL/vectoring is far from perfect.

FEC errors - I would imagine this is simply reporting as Vectoring introduces lots of additional requirements on the modem...one I need to check up on myself

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#132 06-03-2014 12:49pm
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Hi folks
Quick question. I have a downstream line attenuation of 13.8dbm.
Eircom are sending 51197kbps down my line.
My attainable net data rate is 91.892.

Will I benefit from vectoring or am I to far from my local cabinet?

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#133 06-03-2014 3:09pm
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tdonegan1990 wrote: »

Hi folks
Quick question. I have a downstream line attenuation of 13.8dbm.
Eircom are sending 51197kbps down my line.
My attainable net data rate is 91.892.

Will I benefit from vectoring or am I to far from my local cabinet?

You are probably on the 50Mbps product profile. Vectoring will make no difference if you are but max obtainable will increase

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#134 07-03-2014 2:23am
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My fibre profile is
102 down
20 up
Get about 80 wired 45-55 wireless.

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#135 07-03-2014 9:36am
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Looks like the FEC counter is just DSM counts as part of Vectoring and being included as part of the NEXT/FEXT count. Not impacting performance at all as far as I can tell and normal.

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#136 07-03-2014 8:47pm
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crawler wrote: »

Looks like the FEC counter is just DSM counts as part of Vectoring and being included as part of the NEXT/FEXT count. Not impacting performance at all as far as I can tell and normal.

Hopefully that's what it is. Misleading listing it the way they do however.

It's a little worrying for me that my modem has updated but my line isn't showing any better stats. Yet this fec issue.

DSL synchronization status Up
DSL up time 1 Days 21:42:55

Line Status
Help
Line standard VDSL2
Channel type
None
Downstream line rate (kbit/s) 71672
Upstream line rate (kbit/s) 20479
Downstream SNR (dB) 9.2
Upstream SNR (dB) 9.5
Downstream line attenuation (dB) 5.9
Upstream line attenuation (dB) 1.8
Downstream output power (dBmV) 12.4
Upstream output power (dBmV) -19.4
Downstream CRC 0
Upstream CRC 217
Downstream FEC 284184
Upstream FEC 219777

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#137 07-03-2014 8:58pm

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Just posting current stats to compare after vectoring... (told it will happen sometime today)

============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 2 hours: 21 minutes
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       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     20.549 Mbps       71.812 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     20.479 Mbps       71.672 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:        8.5 dB            9.1 dB
            Actual Delay:          4 ms              7 ms
          Transmit Power:      -16.3 dBm          14.3 dBm
           Receive Power:      -25.9 dBm           3.9 dBm
              Actual INP:        2.0 symbols       3.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:        9.7 dB           10.3 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     28.429 Mbps       97.208 Mbps
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      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  2.3    11.5    16.6     N/A     7.3    15.8    24.7   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  2.3    11.1    15.2     N/A     8.4    15.7    24.6   
        SNR Margin(dB):  8.4     8.6     8.5     N/A     9.1     9.1     9.1   
   Transmit Power(dBm):-27.1   -18.0   -22.1     N/A    12.0     7.9     6.9   
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Attainable Net Data Rate peaks at 110MB...

Distance from cabinet: ~30 meters (as the crow flies)...

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#138 07-03-2014 9:15pm
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You're more than 30m from the cabinet with an attenuation of 10.3dB;)
I'm 350m from my local cabinet and I have an attenuation of 8.4dB and SNR of 13dB (although it was 14.8dB when first installed four months ago).
My SNR was at 17dB recently for about a day or so and I thought vectoring had been turned on, but no speed increase.

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#139 07-03-2014 10:06pm
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I'm actually less than 30 meters much closer to 20... however... there's two more cabinets about 150/200 meters away...

I wonder if they connected me to one of the remoter cabinets as it's almost certain they have available slots due to their position?
...

Been doing a little calculations base on statistical analysis and it looks like I am between 160 and 170 meters from a cabinet which tallies with being connected to one of the remote cabinets...

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#140 07-03-2014 11:04pm
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Downstream 43.156 and upstream of 16.447? what in the world i am on the 70mb package have i been switched? i am going to ring eircom tomorrow...

============================================================================
VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 0 day: 5 hours: 28 minutes
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VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 16.447 Mbps 43.156 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 16.383 Mbps 43.009 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 14.5 dB 18.7 dB
Actual Delay: 4 ms 8 ms
Transmit Power: -13.7 dBm 11.2 dBm
Receive Power: -24.7 dBm -2.8 dBm
Actual INP: 2.0 symbols 3.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 10.9 dB 13.9 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 28.376 Mbps 85.044 Mbps
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VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 2.3 13.5 18.5 N/A 8.4 18.1 28.1
Signal Attenuation(dB): 2.3 12.8 17.6 N/A 7.2 17.9 28.1
SNR Margin(dB): 14.5 14.4 14.5 N/A 18.7 18.8 18.7
Transmit Power(dBm):-25.1 -16.0 -18.7 N/A 3.4 7.8 6.9
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#141 07-03-2014 11:16pm
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bloodyhawk wrote: »

Downstream 43.156 and upstream of 16.447? what in the world i am on the 70mb package have i been switched? i am going to ring eircom tomorrow...

============================================================================
VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 0 day: 5 hours: 28 minutes
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 16.447 Mbps 43.156 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 16.383 Mbps 43.009 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 14.5 dB 18.7 dB
Actual Delay: 4 ms 8 ms
Transmit Power: -13.7 dBm 11.2 dBm
Receive Power: -24.7 dBm -2.8 dBm
Actual INP: 2.0 symbols 3.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 10.9 dB 13.9 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 28.376 Mbps 85.044 Mbps
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VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 2.3 13.5 18.5 N/A 8.4 18.1 28.1
Signal Attenuation(dB): 2.3 12.8 17.6 N/A 7.2 17.9 28.1
SNR Margin(dB): 14.5 14.4 14.5 N/A 18.7 18.8 18.7
Transmit Power(dBm):-25.1 -16.0 -18.7 N/A 3.4 7.8 6.9
============================================================================

How far away from the cabinet are you?

I seen your post on the stats thread. Huge drop in Attainable Net Data Rate.

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#142 07-03-2014 11:24pm
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I'd wait till they implement vectoring... If what I've read so far is correct you should certainly get close to 70MB judging by your specs...

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#143 07-03-2014 11:47pm
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OneEightSeven wrote: »

How far away from the cabinet are you?

I seen your post on the stats thread. Huge drop in Attainable Net Data Rate.

Around 50 meters man.

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#144 07-03-2014 11:50pm
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michaelotoole wrote: »

I'd wait till they implement vectoring... If what I've read so far is correct you should certainly get close to 70MB judging by your specs...

Ill only get 70mb with vectoring? That does not make sence. if just couple of days ago I was getting 70 as it was? I wad hoping to get 100mb

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#145 08-03-2014 12:00am
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bloodyhawk wrote: »

Around 50 meters man.

It's quite bizarre. Your line attenuation improved but your speeds and attainable speeds (speeds with vectoring) dropped.

Your line attenuation on the 17-09-2013: 15.3 dB
Your line attenuation today: 13.9 dB

The lower that number, the better. A low number means you're close to the cabinet. A high number means you're far from the cabinet.

Yeah, just ring them and ask them to look at your stats.

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#146 08-03-2014 12:04am
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OneEightSeven wrote: »

How far away from the cabinet are you?

I seen your post on the stats thread. Huge drop in Attainable Net Data Rate.

Around 50 meters man.

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#147 08-03-2014 12:05am
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@bloodyhawk

Ah well then maybe it's just a glitch... they were suppose to be introducing vectoring today/tonight... perhaps they are working in it...
To be honest it's all a bit of a mystery... I'm only 20/30 meters from a cabinet and I don't get 70... now I wonder if they actually connected me to the nearest cabinet...

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#148 08-03-2014 12:20am
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Where and who stated that vectoring would be enabled today?

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#149 08-03-2014 12:28am
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As far as I know they did not introduce new profiles. Even when vectoring will be turn on this will not change your profile. They may have trial in some places, but to get faster bb they need to change profile.

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#150 08-03-2014 1:25am
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One of the technician installing my broadband volunteered the info... he said it was to night, that's Friday 7th...
It's after midnight now and I didn't notice any changes... I guess he was wrong...

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#151 08-03-2014 2:26am
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The last update to my modem happened at 03:45....

I'd be pretty certain vectoring hasn't happened yet for most. My SNR increased by about 10% in the last 2 days (at about 700M) but it's gone back to the usual now. There is definitely something going on in preparation but give it a while more before we jump to any conclusions.

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