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Future toll barriers on Irish roads?

  • 06-12-2008 6:38pm
    #1
    Niall F
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭


    Now that the M50 toll barriers have been removed, does that pave the way for change in present toll barriers and future toll schemes?
    e.g. Are there going to be barriers up when the M7/M8 is complete? How's about the M3 tolls? Upgrading the present M1 and M4 toll so there will be no physical barriers.
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  • #2
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Niall F wrote: »
    Now that the M50 toll barriers have been removed, does that pave the way for change in present toll barriers and future toll schemes?
    e.g. Are there going to be barriers up when the M7/M8 is complete? How's about the M3 tolls? Upgrading the present M1 and M4 toll so there will be no physical barriers.


    Doubt it! The operators of those PPP schemes (scams) won't spend a penny more than they need to, they'll wait until the current infrastructure needs upgrading.


  • #3
    invincibleirish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭invincibleirish


    Its unlikely on the more rural motorways that there will be congestion at any of the toll collection points?

    Could be a good idea of putting tolls on some more of the interurbans as a simple revenue collecting exercise? anathema to the road lovers i know but this country needs money.


  • #4
    Steviemak
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭Steviemak


    invincibleirish wrote: »
    Could be a good idea of putting tolls on some more of the interurbans as a simple revenue collecting exercise? anathema to the road lovers i know but this country needs money.

    Of all sectors of society i believe motorists pay way more than their fair share already!!


  • #5
    galwayrush
    Registered Users Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Apparently, 1.25 cents per litre would bring in more revenue than all the proposed tolls put together,:P


  • #6
    AugustusMaximus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭AugustusMaximus


    invincibleirish wrote: »
    Its unlikely on the more rural motorways that there will be congestion at any of the toll collection points?

    Could be a good idea of putting tolls on some more of the interurbans as a simple revenue collecting exercise? anathema to the road lovers i know but this country needs money.

    invincibleirish, I can't think of another posters on all of boards.ie that I agree less with than you.


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  • #7
    G_R
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    galwayrush wrote: »
    Apparently, 1.25 cents per litre would bring in more revenue than all the proposed tolls put together,:P

    its expensive enough as it is!!!!!!!:D


  • #8
    Steviemak
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭Steviemak


    galwayrush wrote: »
    Apparently, 1.25 cents per litre would bring in more revenue than all the proposed tolls put together,:P

    Then the 8 cents per litre in the budget should cover all tolls 6 times over.


  • #9
    galwayrush
    Registered Users Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Imagine how much it actually costs to build and maintain the Tolls, and the amazing amount of money the Goverment gifted the company who used to run the toll on the M50, quite a large percantage of toll money goes on paying them off..:rolleyes:


  • #10
    Niall F
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Niall F


    I'm not a big fan of tolls regardless of how they're collected. A tax at the pumps should be the only road tax we pay as the more petrol you buy obviously the more driving you do. Fairest way as the people who use the roads more pay more for their use.
    My real problem with tolls is the barriers though. There needs to be a different method of collection. May not cause an awful lot of congestion in some cases but I fail to see the logic in building a perfectly good road and having to stop in the middle of it!!! All schemes should be electronically tolled and no barriers at all.


  • #11
    invincibleirish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭invincibleirish


    AugustusMaximus wrote: »
    invincibleirish, I can't think of another posters on all of boards.ie that I agree less with than you.

    Who are you again?:confused::)


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  • #12
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,456 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    invincibleirish wrote: »
    Its unlikely on the more rural motorways that there will be congestion at any of the toll collection points?

    Given that the toll operators usually only keep one toll booth open on quieter tolls, causes congestion.

    Personally I think putting the cost of the tolls on the price of petrol would have been a much better idea.

    I think before all the interurbans were built, the government should have proposed a 1.25 cent per litre increase in petrol price to subsidise the building of all the interurban roads toll free.

    This would have made the interurbans quicker and easier to use (no slowing down for toll booths), no cost of building and maintaining the toll booths and no money wasted going to pay the companies that run the toll booths.

    I think it would have been quiet popular with the public, 1.25 c per litre for the M50 upgrade and the interurban motorway network toll free, I don't think there would have been too many complaints.


  • #13
    KevR
    Registered Users Posts: 3,110 ✭✭✭KevR


    bk wrote: »
    Given that the toll operators usually only keep one toll booth open on quieter tolls, causes congestion.

    Bit of a tangent but the M4 has 9 toll booths in each direction I think. I've only ever really driven on it at night so obviously there would have only been 1 or 2 booths open when I've passed through it.

    My question is, are there ever times when all 18 booths are open?


  • #14
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    KevR wrote: »
    My question is, are there ever times when all 18 booths are open?

    The most I've ever seen is six on a Bank holiday Monday evening!


  • #15
    HonalD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭HonalD


    invincibleirish wrote: »
    Its unlikely on the more rural motorways that there will be congestion at any of the toll collection points?

    Could be a good idea of putting tolls on some more of the interurbans as a simple revenue collecting exercise? anathema to the road lovers i know but this country needs money.

    I don't believe that tolls should be a revenue collecting exercise. Leave that to income tax and VAT etc.

    Based on the polluter pays principle, we should be charged on how far (or near) we travel, when we travel, what size of vehicle we use to travel with etc. That is the only "fair" toll - if there is such a thing! :)


  • #16
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    HonalD wrote: »
    Based on the polluter pays principle, we should be charged on how far (or near) we travel, when we travel, what size of vehicle we use to travel with etc. That is the only "fair" toll - if there is such a thing! :)

    We already do that, it's called petrol duty!


  • #17
    HonalD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭HonalD


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We already do that, it's called petrol duty!

    No we don't! We use a dumbass system. What is fair is that one should be charged according to WHEN they travel, HOW FAR (or HOW NEAR) they travel i.e. less than a certain distance could be diss-incentizised (Spelling?) and what type of VEHICLE we use.

    Petrol Duty doesn't cover this approach - it's a cop-out! :)


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