Maravilla, I feel sorry for you.
Now, before you take umbrage, I'm most definitely on your side here, but the reason I feel sorry for you is c. every 18 months or so, this argument about Naz comes up on this forum and despite the fact that as posters I like them Cowzerp tells us how "he was a fan"
but Naz fought nothing but bums and Walshb tows in with he could never understand how people thought he had great power, he never saw it and if he had it how come he didn't ko Barrera, plus he didn't even have a jab. And on it goes...
Anyway, I can never just stand by and let this crap go uncontested, so I have to join in and use facts. You have highlighted some of them, but here's a few more -
1. The boys always bring Marquez's name up eventually, conveniently ignoring the blatantly obvious fact that Juan Manuel Marquez never fought Hamed because after he worked his way up the rankings he fought Freddie Norwood for the WBA title AND LOST
! That was that. Oh, incidentally Marquez's last 4 opponents before that fight had 11 losses, 9 losses, 2 lossed and 8 losses. Interesting matchmaking for a no. 1 contender.
2. Cowzerp usually brings up what Naz opponents did AFTER they fought him. That's the very definition of pointlessness. I cannot believe anyone can actually use it in a responsible argument. Is Naz supposed to be a fortune teller or what? But, since he brings it up, Manual Medina won the FW 'world' title THREE more times after his loss to Hamed. Paul Ingle also won a 'world' title after his loss to Hamed. Wayne McCullough gave Erik Morales a ferocious battle one year after the Hamed loss (despite the scores), a match that the super-macho Morales even admitted afterwards that "there were times in that fight I thought I was going to lose".
3. When asked who should Hamed have fought Morales, Espinosa and Tapia are usually trotted out. Erik was in a different weight division! In mine and the vast majority of people's opinions Barrera won their epic fight, so Naz fought him!
Espinosa was beaten by Soto, whom Naz beat. Espinosa before that loss had 7 losses on his record, but Cowzerp conveniently forgets to mention that, even though he uses the same arguement to demean others.
But, worst of all, in the ultimate self-contradiction, poor Johnny Tapia's name is used despite the fact that he meets every single one of Cowzerp's criteria for sh!te opposition. He was miles over the hill, a former SUPER FLYWEIGHT, a light puncher and a drug addict. I remember genuinely being disgusted when I heard his name being bandied around at one occasion as a potential opponent. Thankfully it never happened.
4. At one stage during Hamed's career only Roy Jones had fought more current or past 'world' champions. But hey, they were all weak, light-punching, chinny, yadda yadda yadda... yeah cos those sort of fighters always become 'world' champs
. One of the champs Cowzerp dismisses as a "featherfisted" was 3 weight 'world' champ Wilfredo Vazquez who at the time he fought Hamed had 37 KOs in 50 wins!!
I always end up pointing the same points out and get a few weak responses and the thread peters out soon after.... only to start up 18 months later with the exact same discredited arguements being used. I don't know why I bother.