Fluence or Mazda3 ?

savic04 · 06-02-2014 12:31pm #1

Currently thinking of changing myself.

I have a 2010 Fluence TomTom 1.5, has been a great car on fuel and spec.. I also have a 07 focus as second car..

Anyway, getting a good deal from Renault to come up to RLInk top spec Fleuence, comparison to the new mazda 3 exec Se model, which although the List price is 2k more, the deal is working out 3k more..

Even though I like the mazda it isnt any bigger then fluence apart from engine (2.2 v 1.5 )
hard to say if i will ever see the 3k diff again..

Never has a mazda, anyone with experience good or bad ?

Stallingrad · 06-02-2014 12:58pm

savic04 wrote: »

Currently thinking of changing myself.

I have a 2010 Fluence TomTom 1.5, has been a great car on fuel and spec.. I also have a 07 focus as second car..

Anyway, getting a good deal from Renault to come up to RLInk top spec Fleuence, comparison to the new mazda 3 exec Se model, which although the List price is 2k more, the deal is working out 3k more..

Even though I like the mazda it isnt any bigger then fluence apart from engine (2.2 v 1.5 )
hard to say if i will ever see the 3k diff again..

Never has a mazda, anyone with experience good or bad ?

I think changing a 2010 Fluence for another is madness. The car is an aging design and Renault have far more exciting designs coming over the next few years. Your new Fluence will look very old hat a 2 years time.

savic04 · 06-02-2014 1:06pm

Thats true too, i normally change every 3 years, left it 4 this time.

Least the Mazda 3 is a new model I guess.

MuppetCheck · 06-02-2014 2:43pm

I'd pay the extra for the Mazda. Price a few more dealers - It's a far, far superior car.

Lutecia · 07-02-2014 8:41pm

savic04 wrote: »

Currently thinking of changing myself.

I have a 2010 Fluence TomTom 1.5, has been a great car on fuel and spec.. I also have a 07 focus as second car..

Anyway, getting a good deal from Renault to come up to RLInk top spec Fleuence, comparison to the new mazda 3 exec Se model, which although the List price is 2k more, the deal is working out 3k more..

Even though I like the mazda it isnt any bigger then fluence apart from engine (2.2 v 1.5 )
hard to say if i will ever see the 3k diff again..

Never has a mazda, anyone with experience good or bad ?

3K is a bit stiff, but the 3 is pretty attractive, I would choose it over the Fluence if the difference was half of that. Facelift Fluence doesn't look bad (especially compared to a 2010) and this car seems to tick all the boxes (kit, economy, comfort, resale value) but doesn't have the X-factor!
Any feedback on quality/reliability on the Fluence ?

savic04 · 10-02-2014 3:30pm

Have to say the 2010 Fluence TomTom has been a great buy, super spec and 5 year warranty.
The Fuel has been a real star average (city/long distance drive 5.3l/100km, motorway its often way less.....
Would never have bought a Renault in a million years but got a good deal on it and 5 year warranty so took a chance

Im thinking of keeping it as the second car and selling my focus instead, then going no trade in for a 2014
Insginia SC or Mazda 3 Exec SE, which i can get for same price (Insignia is a demo with 86km on it)

noelf · 10-02-2014 3:57pm

savic04 wrote: »

Have to say the 2010 Fluence TomTom has been a great buy, super spec and 5 year warranty.
The Fuel has been a real star average (city/long distance drive 5.3l/100km, motorway its often way less.....
Would never have bought ha Renault in a million years but got a good deal on it and 5 year warranty so took a chance

Im thinking of keeping it as the second car and selling my focus instead, then going no trade in for a 2014
Insginia SC or Mazda 3 Exec SE, which i can get for same price (Insignia is a demo with 86km on it)

One of the lads in work got the new Mazda 3 saloon great looking car with a excellent spec have it over a opel anyday. I'm waiting for a new golf to arrive so it will be interesting to see how much there worth in 2017 !

savic04 · 11-02-2014 12:37pm

My only gripe with new Mazda is the size. Its a lot smaller then Insignia, spec is fairly the same... couple of things diff on each one. Fuel consumption is pretty similar to new model insignia too, so overall its fairly similar.

Insigina is bigger car with more expensive list RRP price too so seems a far better deal, that i can get both for more or less the same price.
I would imagine in 3 years time or 4 years time it will prob be worth more on trade in

Always liked the Insginia design actually, nice looking car but do agree the Mazda 3 is a nice looking car, personally think th Mazda is overpriced for a mid segment saloon

MuppetCheck · 11-02-2014 1:56pm

The insignia will be a replaced car in 3 years time, it's not a particularly decent spec and they are common. If the current generation Mazda diesel turns out to be reliable it will be a more sought after car on the used market than the Insignia. Opel have a high RRP but they like to discount, I'd be shocked if 10% dicount wasn't easily the norm on a new Insignia.

It is a car from the class above too - a direct comparison would be the Mazda 6 which will be quite expensive for the new model.

savic04 · 11-02-2014 2:03pm

MuppetCheck wrote: »

The insignia will be a replaced car in 3 years time, it's not a particularly decent spec and they are common. If the current generation Mazda diesel turns out to be reliable it will be a more sought after car on the used market than the Insignia. Opel have a high RRP but they like to discount, I'd be shocked if 10% dicount wasn't easily the norm on a new Insignia.

It is a car from the class above too - a direct comparison would be the Mazda 6 which will be quite expensive for the new model.

Yeah I realise 2017 new insignia will be out alright. But as you say it's like Mazda 6 for Mazda 3 price at the moment and for next few years. I really like the new Mazda and up to yday my mind was made up

But think Opel deal is prob better overall and has just as good a spec so my mind has changed ha

For Forks Sake · 11-02-2014 11:50pm

To the one person who registered a 2014 Aston Martin, I salute you.

Anyone spotted it on the roads?

Bigus · 12-02-2014 12:31am

For Forks Sake wrote: »

To the one person who registered a 2014 Aston Martin, I salute you.

Anyone spotted it on the roads?

Yeah it's an iQ in drag.

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only jokin

bs2014 · 12-02-2014 12:43am

For Forks Sake wrote: »

To the one person who registered a 2014 Aston Martin, I salute you.

Anyone spotted it on the roads?

Anyone know which dealership this is on as a demo, I might need to call in for a test drive!!:pac:

Zubeneschamali · 12-02-2014 9:51am

For Forks Sake wrote: »

To the one person who registered a 2014 Aston Martin, I salute you.

Anyone spotted it on the roads?

It's just back at the dealer to get a few niggles sorted, should be back on the road for a day or two in August.

galwaytt · 12-02-2014 11:03am

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

It's just back at the dealer to get a few niggles sorted, should be back on the road for a day or two in August.

...dpf removal and solid flywheel kit, yeah ? :pac:

back to question about the Fluence vs Mazda 3: mmm, I don't think the Mazda is worth 3k more. Look at the difference in 3 years time and the Mazda will look expensive.

Mazda diesels can be a bit of a mixed bag - but the Renault you already know about. Renault dealer might fold on some hard bargaining if he thinks you're moving away and make the difference even bigger than 3k, which would make the Mazda un-buyable really. If Renault had an ex-demo Fluence you'd get buy it even better.......just an idea.

Tea 1000 · 12-02-2014 12:34pm

galwaytt wrote: »

...dpf removal and solid flywheel kit, yeah ? :pac:

back to question about the Fluence vs Mazda 3: mmm, I don't think the Mazda is worth 3k more. Look at the difference in 3 years time and the Mazda will look expensive.

Mazda diesels can be a bit of a mixed bag - but the Renault you already know about. Renault dealer might fold on some hard bargaining if he thinks you're moving away and make the difference even bigger than 3k, which would make the Mazda un-buyable really. If Renault had an ex-demo Fluence you'd get buy it even better.......just an idea.

Completely disagree. The Fluence is a very ordinary car and looks a bit dated already. Not that nice to drive, and doesn't hold it's value well at all. And the fact that he already has one is another reason not to spend money on another.
Mazda 3 or keep what you have are the only two options in my opinion.

galwaytt · 12-02-2014 2:38pm

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Completely disagree. The Fluence is a very ordinary car and looks a bit dated already. Not that nice to drive, and doesn't hold it's value well at all. And the fact that he already has one is another reason not to spend money on another.
Mazda 3 or keep what you have are the only two options in my opinion.

You're missing the point: he has one, and is happy with it. He's wondering if the Mazda is worth 3k more. With Mazda's diesel 'history' and the premium involved, imho it's not worth it. That makes no comment or reflection on the Renault, only the Mazda.

JohnBoy26 · 12-02-2014 3:03pm

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Completely disagree. The Fluence is a very ordinary car and looks a bit dated already. Not that nice to drive, and doesn't hold it's value well at all. And the fact that he already has one is another reason not to spend money on another.
Mazda 3 or keep what you have are the only two options in my opinion.

Mazda are hardly great for holding their value either though.

Nixer Jim · 12-02-2014 3:04pm

The Mazda Thread ....

R.O.R · 12-02-2014 3:08pm

Over 3 or 4 years, with reasonable mileage, I'd value a new Mazda 3 saloon at €3,000 or more, than the equivalent Fluence.

As long as the new Skyactive Diesel's don't give issues like the previous diesels, it would be a cheaper car to own and run.

Tea 1000 · 12-02-2014 3:16pm

galwaytt wrote: »

You're missing the point: he has one, and is happy with it. He's wondering if the Mazda is worth 3k more. With Mazda's diesel 'history' and the premium involved, imho it's not worth it. That makes no comment or reflection on the Renault, only the Mazda.

I'm not really missing the point. Mazda's diesel history is blown out of proportion. Renaults reliability history isn't, if it's history we're looking at.
It is a 3k better car as much as any other car is x much better than y, whether the owner will notice is another story.
If he's happy with his current Fluence then it's a bit wasteful spending money on another one.

JohnBoy26 · 12-02-2014 3:25pm

Tea 1000 wrote: »

I'm not really missing the point. Mazda's diesel history is blown out of proportion. Renaults reliability history isn't, if it's history we're looking at.
It is a 3k better car as much as any other car is x much better than y, whether the owner will notice is another story.
If he's happy with his current Fluence then it's a bit wasteful spending money on another one.

It certainly is not!!. Mazda have made terrible diesel engines in the last ten years. The 2.0 diesel in the 6 is one of, if not the worst diesel engine around. The 2.2 isn't much better.

The diesel fitted to the 3 is a 1.6 hdi pug unit which isn't exactly renowned for it's reliability either.

Tbh mazda haven't made a truly reliable diesel engine since the 626 era.

savic04 · 12-02-2014 3:29pm

Yeah wouldnt keep two fluence, its grand for second car, just orig thought 3k was a bit much of a differance , mazda arent exactly AUDI/BMW

would pay 3k over the Fluence on new one though as its a new model etc

Since then I've dealt with Opel and getting a good deal on the new spec/engine insignia which is about same money give or take a few hundred over the mazda 3.. so prob go with that

Think new M3 is a lovely car and great spec, but I think they have overpriced it for the size of the actual car segment its based in

lomb · 12-02-2014 8:29pm

The Mazda 3 already looks dated. Def not worth the asking imo and depreciation will be very steep.

Big Nasty · 12-02-2014 8:34pm

Eh, how about a separate Opel v Mazda thread lads?

ba_barabus · 12-02-2014 8:35pm

Big Nasty wrote: »

Eh, how about a separate Opel v Mazda thread lads?

Aye +1

colm_mcm · 12-02-2014 8:50pm

Done

Old diesel · 12-02-2014 9:49pm

Would new Octavia be any good for you OP???

Peugeot 308 - new model - might be worth a look as well - but given the comments in the tread may be too small for you???.

If you like the Insignia size of car - it might be worth seeing what deals can be got on a Mondeo - have they stopped selling the current model here yet???

Might get a decent deal if not - because it is due for replacement - and generally the outgoing Mondeo has been considered a superior car to the Insignia.

Personally on a Mondeo id have the 2.0 diesel rather then the 1.6 - they are a BIG car.

Best of luck with whatever you choose to buy.

Jesus. · 12-02-2014 10:21pm

savic04 wrote: »

My only gripe with new Mazda is the size. Its a lot smaller then Insignia.....Insigina is bigger car

To be fair, there's nothing wrong with its size for a compact Saloon. A comparison with the Insignia is unfair as its from the next Segment up.

Maybe you should at the 6?

galwaytt · 13-02-2014 10:38am

Tea 1000 wrote: »

I'm not really missing the point. Mazda's diesel history is blown out of proportion. Renaults reliability history isn't, if it's history we're looking at.
It is a 3k better car as much as any other car is x much better than y, whether the owner will notice is another story.
If he's happy with his current Fluence then it's a bit wasteful spending money on another one.

You're going to have to defer to peoples experiences of the Renault and the Mazda tbh.
OP says the Renault has been reliable and he's happy with it. (and I've owned 3).
I, and many others, can relate the opposite stories about Mazda diesel's. (btdt).

The Mazda diesel is not proven to be a better car. You're going on Mazda's petrol history - which is excellent (and I still have one).

It's a €3k gamble at best, more if it turns out to follow the path of it's predecessors.

Tea 1000 · 13-02-2014 10:38am

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

It certainly is not!!. Mazda have made terrible diesel engines in the last ten years. The 2.0 diesel in the 6 is one of, if not the worst diesel engine around. The 2.2 isn't much better.

The diesel fitted to the 3 is a 1.6 hdi pug unit which isn't exactly renowned for it's reliability either.

Tbh mazda haven't made a truly reliable diesel engine since the 626 era.

It's just the 2 litre in the 6 that was the big issue, and that wasn't a guaranteed problem either. The 2.2 is much better, despite what you may like to believe.

savic04 wrote: »

Yeah wouldnt keep two fluence, its grand for second car, just orig thought 3k was a bit much of a differance , mazda arent exactly AUDI/BMW

would pay 3k over the Fluence on new one though as its a new model etc

Since then I've dealt with Opel and getting a good deal on the new spec/engine insignia which is about same money give or take a few hundred over the mazda 3.. so prob go with that

Think new M3 is a lovely car and great spec, but I think they have overpriced it for the size of the actual car segment its based in

As pointed out, it's the same price as a Golf more or less. A Golf is no more worth 3k over a Fluence than a Mazda 3 is. And in my opinion, both are.

lomb wrote: »

The Mazda 3 already looks dated. Def not worth the asking imo and depreciation will be very steep.

:rolleyes: Daft statement from a Mk 4 Golf fan.

Fluence or Mazda3 ?

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