Second penalty fare

Karsini wrote: »

Is post 44 suggesting that the OP get off the train in Drumcondra, go down to buy a ticket and get the next train from there? Hugely inconvenient.

I think he was going under the impression that the OP was actually getting off at Drumcondra, as opposed to the inspectors were going through the train and fined him while it was there.

Grolschevik wrote: »

Is he not getting off there? I was under the impression from this

They gave me a big speech about travelling for free is not permitted that i should pay when i get to drumcondra.. but they never even give you a chance to go through and buy a ticket from the guy in the station.

that he was getting off at Drumcondra but got stopped on the platform.

Well clearly I didn't see that, I was going by what I saw in the OP which didn't go into too much detail about what his circumstances were in Drumcondra. But I did suggest the possibility, that was the case.

Why are you questioning me?

Our man in Havana wrote: »

And this is accepted without it being a penalty fare?

Paying the fare in Connolly and not being issued a fine, because you didn't buy a ticket beforehand? Yes. That's normal. They do the same in Tara St and Pearse as well.

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Would a leap card open the exit barriers where it had not been touched on previously?

yes, but if you are going through Exit barriers on one touch as a touch off, without a corresponding touch on, I think it'll apply the full fare as it doesn't have a start point to calculate the fare against. The gates are set directionally by IR.

So you can't touch "on" through the exit side and "off" through the entrance side. You could end up touching on twice if you did that.

If you can't touch on at the start of your journey, the leapcard is no good to you.

Losty Dublin wrote: »

How would it know what station you traveled from? If the train departed, say Longford, there isn't a way to ensure you get a ticket there or if you got it at, say Drumcondra.

As well, if the train is working a different route then the TVM would need to reset for that line; not impossible but not as simple as it appears.

The trains don't have the same problem as knowing where they are, as the buses do (ticket machine stages currently being updated by driver). The next station announcements are automated right? Could be a way of using that data to tell an onboard TVM where it is. Space could be the issue though, particularly on packed trains.

Our man in Havana wrote: »

GPS my good man.

Yeah, but there's another thing with that as well as knowing where the TVM is, it's the amount of time taken to use it. If a lot of people end up getting on the train with the idea they'll purchase a ticket onboard, someone could go pass the stop they boarded from and into the next station by the time they get to it. Won't be able to pay the correct fare then. So there could still be an element of fare evasion.

It'll only take 2/3 people queueing to use one the change Clonsilla -> Coolmine, by the time the next person wants to use it, or walks through the train to get to a free one.