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Target Shooting Forum Charter / Discussion of Court Cases

  • 13-07-2010 12:24pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭


    Target Shooting Forum Charter

    Welcome to the boards.ie shooting forums!
    These forums are for the discussion of various topics relating to the shooting sports (ie. the various forms of target shooting events) and to sport shooting (ie. hunting with firearms). There are four forums in total, one for Target Shooting, one for Hunting, a For Sale/Wanted forum, and the main forum which acts as a general forum as well as holding some specific topics, such as "political" threads that people would prefer are kept out of the various sub-forums.

    The forum you are in right now is the Target Shooting forum and it is for the discussion of the shooting sports (meaning all shooting sports, from international competition to backyard plinking and anything and everything in between, whether it be with rifle, shotgun or pistol, at clay or paper or steel) and related subjects, including techniques, equipment and events, in all disciplines.



    Rules

    There are some. We try to keep them minimal and they exist to allow the forum to flourish rather than to penalise people, but they are enforced.
    Boards.ie as a site has some basic guidelines for how to be a better poster as well as some very basic site rules (as well as a few rules regarding your signature -- and while we're on the topic folks, please remember that a disclaimer in your signature doesn't overrule the charter. Break a rule in the charter and it won't matter if your signature says "only kidding"). We recommend that you read them. If you've never posted on a forum before, you might also want to look at this beginner's guide.

    There are some basic rules which apply in all the shooting forums (you may notice some overlap with the general site rules here). We've listed them in short form here; we discuss them in more detail in the posts below in case you have a question on any of them.
    1. Be Civil to one another.
    2. You are not the internet police.
    3. Replies should be on-topic.
    4. No Spamming, no Shilling, no Random Nonsense.
    5. Anonymity is a social construct.
    6. There are limits on the discussion of current events and media reportage.
    7. RKBA is off-topic.
    8. Illegality is... illegal
    9. Respect formatting ettiquette.
    10. If you don't like the modding, follow procedure.

    There are also some rules specific to this forum:
    1. Absolutely no politics.
      All discussion relating to legislation, associations, infighting, reform, etc, etc, belongs in the main Shooting forum and will be moved there without warning or appeal if it shows up in here and an infraction will be marked against the relevant users.
    2. Announcements of events should be posted in Upcoming Events.

    Please note that looking for loopholes in rulesets is a violation of the first boards.ie guideline of "Don't be a dick"...

    And please remember folks, this is a public forum, and the Department of Justice and the Gardai read it, the same way they read shooting magazines and newsletters. Like it or not, you are all public ambassadors for your sports when you post in here or anywhere else in public; so please, take pride in your posts and make us proud, don't make us weep...

    A side effect of this public status is that defamation is something we have to keep in mind when moderating. We believe that when there's a problem, a civil disagreement, even a civil argument, is to our community what fibre in the diet is to a person - a preventative for even worse problems. We don't believe in letting things hide under rocks and grow worse for it.

    For that reason, genuine posts are all welcome here - regardless of whether they are positive or negative; or of whether they are about
    goods or services provided by commercial companies, or about clubs or associations. We believe this is a genuinely good way for those who provide an excellent service to be recognised as such; and that it is one of the best ways for others to find out what they could be doing better.

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    There are also boards.ie guidelines on defamation that you may want to read.

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    • and if you're just having a bitching session or trying to get the boot in, well, your post is getting edited or deleted
      at a bare minimum.

    If you want to err on the side of caution, just report the facts and skip the editorial. Have faith that the rest of us are intelligent enough to draw the same conclusions you did - and take comfort in the fact that when people draw their own conclusions, they have more impact than when those conclusions are drawn for them.

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    In the event that someone breaks one of the rules above, the specific sanction that will be taken will largely depend on the context. There are several kinds of sanction which moderators may use (along with editing or deletion of posts):
    1. A private word by PM with the poster to point out the problem and try to resolve it.
    2. A public note in the thread itself (often referred to as a Mod Notice or a Mod Warning) pointing out the problem and requiring that it be resolved.
    3. A Warning for the poster.
    4. An Infraction for the poster.
    5. A ban from the forum for the poster, either temporarily or permanently.
    It should be noted that in exceptional circumstances, a poster may be banned from the entire site, though happily this happens extremely rarely.

    Here are some general questions and answers you may have as a new user, feel free to PM any moderator if you have questions you cannot find an answer to in the Frequently Asked Questions list.
    You can find a list of the more important threads in the forum here. We don't generally stick those threads to the top of the forum because it would take up too much room, but we do stick the list to the top of the forum for quick reference.

    And lastly, if you have a question about obtaining a firearms certificate or renewing your existing certificate under the new firearms licensing system, please be sure to read this announcement first, it lists all the information we have on that topic in a single place for your convenience.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Announcements of events should be posted in Upcoming Events.

    The idea here is that there are a lot of different disciplines, all arranging events, some of which may clash with each other. Boards.ie can serve as a common noticeboard for these events.

    The idea's a simple one - if you have an event, and want to post about it here, do so. Start a thread to discuss the event as normal. But also, post in the Upcoming Events thread with a single post describing the event. The announcment post will be moved by the moderators over into the This Weekend's Events thread at the appropriate time, and then out into the forum after the event and merged with the discussion thread (or to start a new one if none exists).

    We do ask though, for the sake of consistency and to keep the forum looking tidy, that you pay attention to the thread title. Please enter the post title in the following format:
    [ Month Day ] Competition Title
    For example, [March 15] UCESSA Summer Rifle Leagues

    And we do expect that if you use boards.ie as an event noticeboard like this, that you'll at least post up the results and interact with people on the forum.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    An addendum to clarify a point in the above rules:
    NSFW (Not Safe For Work):
    Any material deemed NSFW will be immediately removed and the user may face infraction. This includes, but is not limited to, inappropriate/pornographic style pictures, links to inappropriate/pornographic websites, and so forth.

    This forum is where a lot of prospective new shooters get pointed to; we'd prefer if we didn't scare off potential new shooters. Sending a prospective Junior here to look at what the sport is like only for their parents to see porn here and decide that they'd prefer their child to take up tennis instead loses us a new shooter. That sort of thing damages our sport in the medium to long term, quite badly (our average age was just shy of 50 the last time someone asked). Exactly the same is true when we send a new lady shooter here and they find people oogling over photos that belong more in FHM than in Ways of the Rifle.

    So NSFW material, along with NSFW behaviour (ie. sexism, racism, ageism and other bigotry) is not on and will be deleted. We want to encourage everyone to engage in boards, not just one small demographic while everyone else gets offended by it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Hey everyone, something has come down from the Boards.ie admins that affects this forum rather directly with regards to the upcoming high court cases on licencing:
    You may have seen recently that a court case in Clare regarding a GP who's accused of defrauding families collapsed because of something published in the Times and the Examiner. They're likely to have to foot the bill for the entire trial - the judge hasn't decided but concedes that they didn't act out of malice and that as it was unintentional, it's Technical Contempt.

    This is something we have, I believe, discussed before, but with this recent news and an emerging trend of defence teams increasingly looking for these sorts of issues to collapse trials, we are making it clear and stated policy of Boards.ie that you can no longer discuss an active/sitting court case as pretty much any sort of commentary on the issue can be classified as contempt. Offering opinion on the innocence or guilt of the parties involved for example is a definite no-no.

    This is simply too big a risk to determine where the "safe" levels of discussion are, so it's easier to make a blanket ban on current case discussion.

    This comes from the top - the directors of the company can be jailed for contempt on the whims of a judge who feels they deserve it and given the Irish Legal System's complete inability to work with (never mind understand) the Internet and all that it entails, I'd really rather not have to try and talk to DeVore at visiting hours in the 'Joy

    So effective immediately, current court cases are a no-no. This, I'm afraid folks, isn't up for debate. We don't like "issuing" rules like this without some manner of discussion but I'm afraid that's not an option in this case.

    Thank you for your time.

    There are some questions still to be answered, and the boards.ie head office is working with Legal to figure out some of those questions (such as, at what point does the case officially start and at what point is it officially over - ie. do we need to await any appeals before talking about the judgement; can we talk about the impact of a hypothetical outcome without referring to the innards of the case itself; what are the jurisdictional limits to this; and so on).

    Until they do and we can get finer-grained rules though, we're banning any and all discussion of any and all ongoing cases. For us that basicly means that the three test cases in the High Court on licencing, the 180 JR cases coming after them, and any upcoming DC licencing cases are now all off-limits, at least until we hear back from Legal.

    Sorry about this folks, but given that the boards.ie team has given us this place gratis over the last few years, it'd be a fairly dickish payback for one of us to land them in the 'Joy over a comment on an ongoing case.

    More updates will get posted on this thread as they come in.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Just to give a rough timeframe by the way, we're expecting to hear clarification on this in a week or two.


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