[steddyeddy]

When I lived in the states there was a suspiscion that certain members of the emergency forces were using steroids which added to their aggression. I wonder will this come up in this case? It's just a throw away thought and probrably of no importance.

[AskMyChocolate]

Originally Posted by Odysseus

Ask My Chocolate, I don't know what you looking for here. A poster made what I deemed to be very nasty comments about people who may be homeless and may have other issues. Another poster stated that with an attitude like that, they hoped the original poster did not work for the HSE. Poster III then stated that he may indeed work for the HSE.

I posted then objecting to that, stating that as a HSE employee I did not want to be associated with such a person [even though it was clear poster III was making a joke]. I was asked to explain why which I did. You then posed the question why would I hold such a position, which is contrary to your experience of the HSE, to which I have responded.

Whilst I may refer to my work in various contexts on this site, I am not here to either defend the HSE or apologise for them. I know that I have seen various staff reported over the years, some where real issues others where not; however, the investigations I have seen have been objective and taken seriously. However, I’m sure that in certain cases the organisation just looks after number one.

Could I stand over/agree with all the treatment decisions I have see over the years? No, of course not. My profession requires me to attend clinical supervision, this is where I see another therapist who has more clinical experience that me; it is a place where I reflect on my work, the impact such work has on my subjectivity etc.

I have often used this place to explore if I will continue to work in the HSE because of the impact a clinical decision has had on the life of a client; and the impact this has had on me in turn. However, if I still there after this long it is because of the benefits I see; if the organisation was based on abuse I don't think my ethics would allow me to continue working there. That is different to saying that no abuses have ever occurred within the HSE.

Within the context of this thread I don't really know if I could add anything else. I hope the above makes some sense.

I was merely pointing out that my experience of the HSE is that they are prepared to let a commercial Health Service provider investigate themselves and to take their findings as Gospel. I asked you did you think this was acceptable and you sidestepped/refused to answer the question. As to whether a HSE investigation is objective or not, I'm afraid unfortunately I couldn't say, as the HSE refused to investigate my complaints, preferring to leave the American Multi-national to conduct their own internal investigation into the situation. I don't suppose I need tell you what conclusions they came to.

As to your assertion that complaints are taken seriously, again I'm afraid, I couldn't say as in ten years of copious correspondence, no member of the HSE has ever had the courtesy to meet me.

Originally Posted by MagicSean

He's looking to blame one person for the failing of an organisation. A lot of people can't seperate an organisation from the people who work for it, or even seperate the employees from each other, be it the HSE, Gardaí, army banks or whatever.

As to the person who thinks you should go home and lift weights in the middle of a shift if you get frustrated I'm not really sure what job you do that allows you to go home for stress relief but a policeman has to find a way to shake it off and move on to the next situation. If he does that by giving a wheel a kick or banging on his patrol car well so be it. Sorry it offends your sensibilities to see someone not at their best and coping with things their own way.

Not really sure what you're getting at here. I have gone out of my way to NOT blame any one person, and indeed have used the analogy of the Catholic Church, to explain that it is not the staff but the institutional culture of covering up that I have a problem with.

That said, however, any Garda,priest or mental health worker, who puts their loyalty to an abusive colleague or their employer, above the rights of their wards, is in the wrong, no matter what way you try to justify it. Although I do completely accept the difficulty of the position they find themselves in. The position of the later officers to arrive,in this case, being a prime example.

[NIMAN]

I found this video very distressing to watch, and could only watch it in small bursts and ended up flicking through most of it.

Hearing a grown man calling for his daddy I found heartbreaking tbh. He obviously knew he was in a bad way and stood a good chance of dying to do that.

May he RIP and shame on the police who carried this out. Maybe some day justice will be done.

[zenno]

Six day's to trial.



SANTA ANA – An Orange County judge has tentatively declined to dismiss the case against two former Fullerton police officers accused in the death of a homeless man.
A hearing on the motion by officers Manuel Ramos and Jay Cicinelli is set for Jan. 18 before Superior Court Judge William Froeberg, who said in his tentative ruling issued Jan. 4 that "both officers' use of force could be determined to be proximate causes of the death of Kelly Thomas."

Source: http://www.ocregister.com/news/thoma...ers-ramos.html

[zenno]

Lawyers for the SlideBar Rock-n-Roll Kitchen, Eric Dubin, and Steven A. Fink, hold a news conference Thursday to rebut, with surveillance video evidence, the allegations made by former bouncer Michael Reeves. Reeves said he heard the phone call that complained of transient Kelly Thomas; he alleges that the call was bogus and he lost his job fighting it.

Video Source: http://www.ocregister.com/news/thoma...-slidebar.html

[Smidge]

Originally Posted by zenno

Lawyers for the SlideBar Rock-n-Roll Kitchen, Eric Dubin, and Steven A. Fink, hold a news conference Thursday to rebut, with surveillance video evidence, the allegations made by former bouncer Michael Reeves. Reeves said he heard the phone call that complained of transient Kelly Thomas; he alleges that the call was bogus and he lost his job fighting it.

Video Source: http://www.ocregister.com/news/thoma...-slidebar.html

Tragic story altogether.
Makes you wonder how often things like this occur without being brought to public attention through the media