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Killing Animals
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What?
Imagine how horrible that would be for your mother. I can't fathom your logic at all, dude.
You're the man who told me 5 minutes ago it doesn't make a difference who flips the switch the outcome is the same!
My logic is simple- if you're loved ones have to make the choice for your life the end, they should take it. That's it. simple. A show of love, respect, courage, compassion and understanding.
If you don't see the symbolic importance of it I can't make you understand.0 -
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Its more effort to go get a swatter than open a window
I just open it up, its doing no one any harm
And Ive never eaten a double cheeseburger in my life :P
I just feel bad to killing something
Do you eat meat? Wear leather shoes? And Pi$$ off, not self rightous, just calling out all out precious pussies here.0 -
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Insects are animals as are humans btw.Well, kind of. Individually they've higher ecological roles and ranks in nature -in the seal's case, and a dog has more importance for humans' uses and needs. Collectively as a species, they're all just as important.
But the fact that insects have no spindle fibres or any advanced neurological system that allows them to feel pain means you wouldn't feel as guilty if you killed a fly.
Bees and ants especially are vital to the planet, humans are not, a humbling thought.
Insects do have a central nervous system. So can I ask you how you know that insects don't feel pain? While some people might say but insects must feel less pain than us so it's ok. That seems to me a very weak argument. Each individuals life is as important to that individual as ours is to us. Do people really care if they feel pain or not? It's seems pretty odd to measure pain, like some pain is then ok? Their nervous systems may be more primitive, that's about all we know. Oysters have an even more primitive system. But you can choose pain and violence or you can object to it, I'd rather object. Where I would draw the line with killing an animal is if it was in self defence maybe, that's about it.
Insects are easily dealt with, without hurting them, so why not leave them be and get on with your life and them with theirs. Spiders, flies etc, I usually just trap them and free them outside. I had to drag my mother away from a mosquito earlier, she wanted to kill it even though it was outside my front door, why?? I don't honestly understand that. I just said nah, leave him be, he's not doing any harm. In my building people are always complaining about the fruit flies and whenever I'm in someone else's house I see those icky sticky tape things that catch them. How I deal with them is put a piece of banana in a bag, make a few tiny holes in the bag, the flies will go in but won't be able to come out, then you just check back in a while, take the bag outside and open it and away they go. Either that or direct them outside with light by turning the lights off inside, close the curtains and open the door so that they are attracted to the light outside, you can shoo them out with a towel. They're happy, I'm happy, it's not any more effort than chasing them with a fly squatter or something.0 -
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Resonator75 wrote: »Do you eat meat? Wear leather shoes? And Pi$$ off, not self rightous, just calling out all out precious pussies here.
Leave Hugsie alone! :mad: She can't help that she's a weirdo
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Insects are animals as are humans btw.
Bees and ants especially are vital to the planet, humans are not, a humbling thought.
Insects do have a central nervous system. So can I ask you how you know that insects don't feel pain? While some people might say but insects must feel less pain than us so it's ok. That seems to me a very weak argument. Each individuals life is as important to that individual as ours is to us. Do people really care if they feel pain or not? It's seems pretty odd to measure pain, like some pain is then ok? Their nervous systems may be more primitive, that's about all we know. Oysters have an even more primitive system. But you can choose pain and violence or you can object to it, I'd rather object. Where I would draw the line with killing an animal is if it was in self defence maybe, that's about it.
Insects are easily dealt with, without hurting them, so why not leave them be and get on with your life and them with theirs. Spiders, flies etc, I usually just trap them and free them outside. I had to drag my mother away from a mosquito earlier, she wanted to kill it even though it was outside my front door, why?? I don't honestly understand that. I just said nah, leave him be, he's not doing any harm. In my building people are always complaining about the fruit flies and whenever I'm in someone else's house I see those icky sticky tape things that catch them. How I deal with them is put a piece of banana in a bag, make a few tiny holes in the bag, the flies will go in but won't be able to come out, then you just check back in a while, take the bag outside and open it and away they go. Either that or direct them outside with light by turning the lights off inside, close the curtains and open the door so that they are attracted to the light outside, you can shoo them out with a towel. They're happy, I'm happy, it's not any more effort than chasing them with a fly squatter or something.
They don't have spindle fibres and an advanced neurological system capable of feeling pain, I never said they lacked a nervous system. Fish do not feel pain because they lack the structures needed to do so. They work on reflex -but do not seem to respond to pain.
I'm not advocating pain and violence, so I'll stop you there before you get ahead of yourself.
I just said you wouldn't feel as guilty for killing an insect because it can't feel pain, but I said, sure go ahead and kill as many as you like, either. Collectively as a species, they are as important as any other animal.
Humans have our place. We are natural and we have had our place in evolution, in a similar way chimps and our relatives do now. In modern times that has changed, but we are vital to the ecosystem in other ways. After natural disasters can we not save certain species from extinction and change their fate, even if it's not our fault they're on the brink of extinction, like salamanders in one small region in china after a landslide?
We can prevent or mitigate acts of god and protect ecosystems when we want to.
We could prevent total catastrophe and mass extinction by using our technology to destroy an on-coming meteorite.
We might cause a lot of destruction, but we are also the protectors of the planet, too.0 -
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I hope you don't drive your car/go on a bus on a summers day. Pretty much genocide with the thousands of insects splattered across the front of it.Insects are animals as are humans btw.
Bees and ants especially are vital to the planet, humans are not, a humbling thought.
Insects do have a central nervous system. So can I ask you how you know that insects don't feel pain? While some people might say but insects must feel less pain than us so it's ok. That seems to me a very weak argument. Each individuals life is as important to that individual as ours is to us. Do people really care if they feel pain or not? It's seems pretty odd to measure pain, like some pain is then ok? Their nervous systems may be more primitive, that's about all we know. Oysters have an even more primitive system. But you can choose pain and violence or you can object to it, I'd rather object. Where I would draw the line with killing an animal is if it was in self defence maybe, that's about it.
Insects are easily dealt with, without hurting them, so why not leave them be and get on with your life and them with theirs. Spiders, flies etc, I usually just trap them and free them outside. I had to drag my mother away from a mosquito earlier, she wanted to kill it even though it was outside my front door, why?? I don't honestly understand that. I just said nah, leave him be, he's not doing any harm. In my building people are always complaining about the fruit flies and whenever I'm in someone else's house I see those icky sticky tape things that catch them. How I deal with them is put a piece of banana in a bag, make a few tiny holes in the bag, the flies will go in but won't be able to come out, then you just check back in a while, take the bag outside and open it and away they go. Either that or direct them outside with light by turning the lights off inside, close the curtains and open the door so that they are attracted to the light outside, you can shoo them out with a towel. They're happy, I'm happy, it's not any more effort than chasing them with a fly squatter or something.0 -
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