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Is Jesus about to return?

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    #32
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    JimiTime wrote: »
    There'll still be people saying, 'its a coincidence', when disaster after disaster strike though.

    It should be a trivial matter to analyse the frequency and severity of natural disasters and determine whether they are occurring at an elevated frequency. We have at least a century of worldwide records to use as a reference point.


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    #33
    Ekancone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Ekancone


    PDN wrote: »
    You want us to have a special set of made up rules instead of using the standard rules and conventions of the academic world? Then, if we did so, no doubt you would accuse us of being irrational.

    Ah stop being so defensive, I just find it odd that you treat a document that so obviously holds the truth in such a liberal fashion. For example, Islam seems to be quite strict in their application of quoting the Quran.


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    #34
    PDN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    all the stars wrote: »
    right, ok, but will he only raise the christians from the dead?
    or will he be the type of God i would like - one that doesn't really care what religion you are? seen as Jesus was Jewish and all...

    Oh, don't worry, He will raise the non-Christian as well. However, I don't think you will like what happens next ......
    Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:11-15)


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    #35
    Tim Robbins
    Registered Users Posts: 8,958 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    PDN wrote: »
    Who is deliberately distorting truth, or who accused anyone of distorting truth?

    I don't care whether you quote the KJV or any other version. As a moderator I have asked you to link to scripture another way rather than using an anti-Christian propaganda site. There is no 'sloppy argument from analogy'. The needless linking to such a source, when you can easily link to scripture via a non-antagonistic source or by cutting and pasting, can serve no purpose but to antagonise the natives. My use of the Ken Hamm illustration was simply to try to get you to think how you would feel if the situation was reversed.

    Is there really any need to get snotty over a simple and polite mod request?
    Your post had an insinuation I was quoting scripture inaccurately because I was using an unreliable source. The source you suggested gave the exact same quote.

    My suggestion would therefore be update your charter to suggest which websites are allowed and not allowed when quoting scripture.

    Personally, I think skepticsannotatedbible is an excellant source for topics concerning Christian scripture. It is the only site I know which hyperlinks parts of the scripture that can be considered to be contradictory. This is part of the central aim of theology to resolve contradictions and this approach leads to more challenging discussions.


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    #36
    JimiTime
    Registered Users Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    It should be a trivial matter to analyse the frequency and severity of natural disasters and determine whether they are occurring at an elevated frequency. We have at least a century of worldwide records to use as a reference point.

    So you would except it that biblical prophecy was indeed coming to pass? I.E. it predicted accurately that this would happen, 2000 years ago?


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    #37
    Tim Robbins
    Registered Users Posts: 8,958 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    PDN wrote: »
    Oh, don't worry, He will raise the non-Christian as well. However, I don't think you will like what happens next ......

    What would happened if you made it to Heaven but got so bored you wanted to leave?


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    #38
    Ekancone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Ekancone


    JimiTime wrote: »
    So you would except it that biblical prophecy was indeed coming to pass? I.E. it predicted accurately that this would happen, 2000 years ago?

    But a prediction of man destroying the earth, or the earth being destroyed, is not unique to the bible, in fairness. Probably every human is history has 'predicted' this at some stage or the other.

    :rolleyes:


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    #39
    Galvasean
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    daithifleming wrote: »
    But a prediction of man destroying the earth, or the earth being destroyed, is not unique to the bible, in fairness. Probably every human is history has 'predicted' this at some stage or the other.

    :rolleyes:

    Heck, the Mayans predicted the world would end in 2012. I think they overshot the mark considering their calendar outlasted them.

    In any case, wouldn't this be Jesus' third coming? I mean, he rose from the dead before. Shouldn't that have counted as the second coming?


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    #40
    PDN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    Tim Robbins wrote: »
    What would happened if you made it to Heaven but got so bored you wanted to leave?

    Extremely unlikely, I think. For the Christian, eternal life has started already and heaven will be an intensification and continuation of what we are already experiencing. Having lived life as a non-Christian and now as a Christian, boredom is definitely not something I associate with eternal life. I'm having an absolute blast living as a Christian, and I think heaven will be even better. :)


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    #41
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    PDN wrote: »
    the dead being raised from their graves etc.
    Now, that's something I'd like to see.

    "You married who after I died?!" <slap>


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    #42
    all the stars
    Registered Users Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭all the stars


    PDN wrote: »
    Oh, don't worry, He will raise the non-Christian as well. However, I don't think you will like what happens next ......

    God is starting to sound worse and worse with these type of posts... why cant we all go to summerland (pagan place that is)- that sounds nicer to me, no evil entity or lake of fire..

    So, he pulls up the Buddist monks (as i asked earlier and nobody replied) He throws them into hell? yes or no?


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    #43
    all the stars
    Registered Users Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭all the stars


    robindch wrote: »
    Now, that's something I'd like to see.

    "You married who after I died?!" <slap>

    :D:D:D

    could be funny...


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    #44
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    PDN wrote: »
    the dead being raised from their graves etc.

    What do you think will happen to those who have been incinerated, etc?

    Also if God does not make the risen dead walk slowly with their arms extended, I will know he has NO sense of humour.


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    #45
    all the stars
    Registered Users Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭all the stars


    SDooM wrote: »
    What do you think will happen to those who have been incinerated, etc?
    Hadn't thought of that!

    SDooM wrote: »
    Also if God does not make the risen dead walk slowly with their arms extended, I will know he has NO sense of humour.
    :D:D:D


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    #46
    JimiTime
    Registered Users Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    daithifleming wrote: »
    But a prediction of man destroying the earth, or the earth being destroyed, is not unique to the bible, in fairness. Probably every human is history has 'predicted' this at some stage or the other.

    :rolleyes:

    TBH, thats the response I'd expect. i think if all the biblical prophecy was coming to pass, it'd still be explained away. IMO its the way god intended.


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    #47
    Galvasean
    Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Galvasean wrote: »
    In any case, wouldn't this be Jesus' third coming? I mean, he rose from the dead before. Shouldn't that have counted as the second coming?

    Serious question guys (I think it got missed).
    Why do people call the Rapture the 'second coming'?


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    #48
    Ekancone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Ekancone


    JimiTime wrote: »
    TBH, thats the response I'd expect. i think if all the biblical prophecy was coming to pass, it'd still be explained away. IMO its the way god intended.

    'When the facts don't fit the frame, the frame is kept and the facts are ignored.' A wise man once said.


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    #49
    PDN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Serious question guys (I think it got missed).
    Why do people call the Rapture the 'second coming'?

    Because, when Jesus was lying in the grave, "He hadn't gone away you know" (to paraphrase Gerry Adams).


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    #50
    Tim Robbins
    Registered Users Posts: 8,958 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    PDN wrote: »
    Extremely unlikely, I think. For the Christian, eternal life has started already and heaven will be an intensification and continuation of what we are already experiencing. Having lived life as a non-Christian and now as a Christian, boredom is definitely not something I associate with eternal life. I'm having an absolute blast living as a Christian, and I think heaven will be even better. :)
    Do you reckon your happier than Tom Cruise and his pumped up scientology?


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    #51
    PDN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    Tim Robbins wrote: »
    Do you reckon your happier than Tom Cruise and his pumped up scientology?

    I certainly do. If I had a choice between having Tom's money and fame, but also his broken marriage, I'd value my very happy and successful marriage much higher.

    I certainly am not claiming to be the happiest person on earth, but my experience is that the Christian life is exciting and fulfilling. Much more fun than speed!


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    all the stars
    Registered Users Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭all the stars


    PDN wrote: »
    Because, when Jesus was lying in the grave, "He hadn't gone away you know" (to paraphrase Gerry Adams).
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PDN viewpost.gif
    Oh, don't worry, He will raise the non-Christian as well. However, I don't think you will like what happens next ......

    God is starting to sound worse and worse with these type of posts... why cant we all go to summerland (pagan place that is)- that sounds nicer to me, no evil entity or lake of fire..

    So, he pulls up the Buddist monks (as i asked earlier and nobody replied) He throws them into hell? yes or no?


    any answer?


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    #53
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    PDN wrote: »
    I certainly do. If I had a choice between having Tom's money and fame, but also his broken marriage, I'd value my very happy and successful marriage much higher.

    I certainly am not claiming to be the happiest person on earth, but my experience is that the Christian life is exciting and fulfilling. Much more fun than speed!

    I don't know, Tom Cruise looks pretty freaking happy!!!

    2007-06-26TomCruise.jpg

    Shows how happy picking the right religion can make you :pac:


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    #54
    PDN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    SDooM wrote: »
    What do you think will happen to those who have been incinerated, etc?
    all the stars wrote:
    Hadn't thought of that!

    Most Christians I talk to have thought of that.

    Incinerated or buried, I don't think it makes much difference. After a few years of being worm food in the ground then there's not that much difference anyway. Our resurrection body will be a new glorious body, and that will hardly be a problem for an omnipotent God. Therefore it doesn't matter whether you are buried, incinerated, eaten by a shark etc.


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    #55
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    PDN wrote: »
    Probably a few little clues will give the game away. Things like every eye seeing Him coming in glory, the dead being raised from their graves etc.

    So there'll be Zombies????

    man I hate them.


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    #56
    Tim Robbins
    Registered Users Posts: 8,958 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    Wicknight wrote: »
    I don't know, Tom Cruise looks pretty freaking happy!!!

    2007-06-26TomCruise.jpg

    Shows how happy picking the right religion can make you :pac:

    Correct, his religion don't even need psychiatry.


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    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    PDN wrote: »
    Most Christians I talk to have thought of that.

    Incinerated or buried, I don't think it makes much difference. After a few years of being worm food in the ground then there's not that much difference anyway. Our resurrection body will be a new glorious body, and that will hardly be a problem for an omnipotent God. Therefore it doesn't matter whether you are buried, incinerated, eaten by a shark etc.

    So in that case, heaven becomes a physical realm in the end times?


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    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    PDN wrote: »
    Our resurrection body will be a new glorious body, and that will hardly be a problem for an omnipotent God.

    What will it look like? What age will you be? Is it the body you had when you died? Can you have a different body if you want (eg can a transexual come back as a women instead of a man?)


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    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    PDN wrote: »
    I think the OP is referring to "those who destroy the earth" and applying it to climate change - a fair point IMHO.
    Those who destroy the earth in relation to Climate change is basically, everyone.

    (and especially every consumer living in western society (I don't include people like the homeless and extreme environmentalists whose ecological footprint is negligable)


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    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Those who destroy the earth in relation to Climate change is basically, everyone.

    (and especially every consumer living in western society (I don't include people like the homeless and extreme environmentalists whose ecological footprint is negligable)

    That's a good point.

    Anyone who has been in a plane has done significant damage to the planet.


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    PDN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    Akrasia wrote: »
    So there'll be Zombies????

    man I hate them.

    Depends on how creative you want to be with language (or how keen you are on trolling).

    Most definitions or understandings of Zombie include at least one of the following traits which do not apply to the Christian resurrection:
    1. A dead body is raised from the grave but still corrupted.
    2. A dead body is raised but lacks the mental and reasoning powers the person possessed before they died.
    3. A witch doctor would raise a zombie to be an unwilling slave.
    4. A dead person rises from the grave to gain revenge against an enemy.

    Anyone trollish enough to start calling Jesus a zombie will earn a ban.


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