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The Pat Kenny Show Thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭touts


    Pat: The people get the chance to vote for you and other parties of the left and they dont
    Joe: Well we need a different type of democracy

    And there ladies and gentlemen is the truth about socialism. They are so convinced they know what the people want they don't want to let the people say what they want.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    Earth shattering news: Senators want to retain the Seanad.

    In other news, turkeys have voted to ban Christmas.


    Joe doesn't seem to think the ballot box is people power :confused: ... if they don't vote the way you want Joe, it simply means your argument has failed to convince.

    Still not one valid reason put forward for retaining this outdated, outmoded, eletist and anti-democratic institution ... Get rid of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭washiskin


    After hearing that insufferable wind-bag MLOD defending the Senate on Marian Finucane on Bank Holiday Sunday last, it was all I could do not to round up a pitchfork & torch mob to hasten Enda's decision on abolishing it. :mad::mad:


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    washiskin wrote: »
    After hearing that insufferable wind-bag MLOD defending the Senate on Marian Finucane on Bank Holiday Sunday last, it was all I could do not to round up a pitchfork & torch mob to hasten Enda's decision on abolishing it. :mad::mad:


    .... and she couldn't put ONE coherent sentence together to outline what she actually did in the Seanad - splutter & waffle


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    Three irrefutable reasons to abolish the Seanad:

    1. Marie Louise O'Donnell for showing her sycophancy towards Enda Kenny prior to the 2011 General Election, for which she was handsomely rewarded.

    2. Eoghan Harris for showing his sycophancy towards Bertie Ahern prior to the 2007 General Election, for which he was handsomely rewarded.

    3. Eamon Coghlan for suggesting that people should be charged money to post comments on Facebook, and be forced to submit their passport numbers :rolleyes:


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    I sell a controlled substance, how do I promote myself?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    It always makes me laugh when I hear publicans complaining that a can of beer in an off licence is cheaper than a bottle of water.

    How much would a pint of Ballygowan cost in a pub ?

    A hell of a lot more than a pint of stout.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    snubbleste wrote: »
    I sell a controlled substance, how do I promote myself?

    IMO the publicans destroyed their own business with rampant greed, for years they had a captive customer base & they squeezed it to the last drop.
    As soon as people saw an alternative - the house party - they voted with their feet. It's basic retailing, if you aren't giving the customer what they want they will go elsewhere. What was acceptable in 1953 is not acceptable in 2013 ... get over it & develope a product your customers want or try another line of business


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    Callan57 wrote: »
    IMO the publicans destroyed their own business with rampant greed, for years they had a captive customer base & they squeezed it to the last drop.
    As soon as people saw an alternative - the house party - they voted with their feet. It's basic retailing, if you aren't giving the customer what they want they will go elsewhere. What was acceptable in 1953 is not acceptable in 2013 ... get over it & develope a product your customers want or try another line of business

    I don't know why the media is giving these whining cranks so much attention. The Lunchtime Show on Newstalk has just given them about 20 minutes free rein, as Jonathan Healy continues his crusade against supermarkets selling reasonably-priced alcohol. Maybe if Uncle Denis could subsidise our income as well, we wouldn't be too arsed about the variations in the price of drink either.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Jeez Pat pushing some agenda there
    "Nobody knew we were in a property bubble"

    Anything to do with all that money Sean Dunne invested for himself and uncle gaybo I wonder?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    Three irrefutable reasons to abolish the Seanad:

    1. Marie Louise O'Donnell for showing her sycophancy towards Enda Kenny prior to the 2011 General Election, for which she was handsomely rewarded.

    2. Eoghan Harris for showing his sycophancy towards Bertie Ahern prior to the 2007 General Election, for which he was handsomely rewarded.

    3. Eamon Coghlan for suggesting that people should be charged money to post comments on Facebook, and be forced to submit their passport numbers :rolleyes:

    That's a bit like citing Michael Healy-Rae, Michael Lowry and Mattie McGrath as irrefutable reasons to abolish the Dáil. They aren't reasons to abolish it. They're reasons to reform it.

    Joe Higgins was moaning about the unfairness of university graduates being able to elect senators, while "Ordinary Working People" can't. It might not be a very fair process, but if it got people like Michael D. Higgins, Shane Ross, Ivana Bacik and John Crown into the Oireachtas, then the ends must surely justify the means.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    RayM wrote: »
    That's a bit like citing Michael Healy-Rae, Michael Lowry and Mattie McGrath as irrefutable reasons to abolish the Dáil. They aren't reasons to abolish it. They're reasons to reform it.

    Joe Higgins was moaning about the unfairness of university graduates being able to elect senators, while "Ordinary Working People" can't. It might not be a very fair process, but if it got people like Michael D. Higgins, Shane Ross, Ivana Bacik and John Crown into the Oireachtas, then the ends must surely justify the means.

    But there is a democratically elected Dáil there - just because you don't like who the people choose to elect is not a justification for a second eletist house for those who either can't cut it in a Dáil election or consider themselves above the down and dirty politics of a Dáil election.
    While I have huge admiration for the four people you refer to it is still the hard reality that at least two were repeatedly rejected by the national electorate. IMO they should simply accept the democratic decision of the electorate & work to change that decision democratically not behave as if they are some kind of "superior being" who can't possibly be done without althouth we, the humble electorate, are too ignorant to appreciate their true worth.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    Callan57 wrote: »
    But there is a democratically elected Dáil there - just because you don't like who the people choose to elect is not a justification for a second eletist house for those who either can't cut it in a Dáil election or consider themselves above the down and dirty politics of a Dáil election.

    The trouble with Dáil elections is that they favour those who loyally toe their party's line and/or are prepared to pander to narrow, localised interests. I have a lot more respect for politicians who consider themselves 'above' being seen at Gaelic football matches and strangers' funerals, fixing potholes and building bridges-to-nowhere.
    Callan57 wrote:
    While I have huge admiration for the four people you refer to it is still the hard reality that at least two were repeatedly rejected by the national electorate. IMO they should simply accept the democratic decision of the electorate & work to change that decision democratically not behave as if they are some kind of "superior being" who can't possibly be done without althouth we, the humble electorate, are too ignorant to appreciate their true worth.

    I don't think it's unfair (or even elitist) to say that John Crown and Ivana Bacik are superior (both intellectually and morally) to the likes of Lowry or the Healy-Raes. The fact that an intelligent, principled politician like Bacik can't get elected, while those dodgy little cretins can, says a lot more about the humble electorate than it does about her.

    The Seanad needs to be changed, so that it isn't just a retirement home for party stalwarts, a temporary stop-gap for TDs who lose their seats or a reward that Taoisigh can bestow upon sycophantic journalists. No Seanad at all might be better than the current system, but that's not a valid reason to get rid of it altogether - at least not before attempting to reform it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    RayM wrote: »
    The trouble with Dáil elections is that they favour those who loyally toe their party's line and/or are prepared to pander to narrow, localised interests. I have a lot more respect for politicians who consider themselves 'above' being seen at Gaelic football matches and strangers' funerals, fixing potholes and building bridges-to-nowhere.



    I don't think it's unfair (or even elitist) to say that John Crown and Ivana Bacik are superior (both intellectually and morally) to the likes of Lowry or the Healy-Raes. The fact that an intelligent, principled politician like Bacik can't get elected, while those dodgy little cretins can, says a lot more about the humble electorate than it does about her.

    The Seanad needs to be changed, so that it isn't just a retirement home for party stalwarts, a temporary stop-gap for TDs who lose their seats or a reward that Taoisigh can bestow upon sycophantic journalists. No Seanad at all might be better than the current system, but that's not a valid reason to get rid of it altogether - at least not before attempting to reform it.

    So if the democratic result isn't to your liking you want a second "intellectually eletist" electorate who will give you the result you want ... there is a name for that but it's not democracy.
    Not having any personal knowledge of any of the individuals you name I refrain from making any judgement on their moral or intellectual capacity ... I simply stated the fact that at least two of them have been rejected by the electorate on a number of occasions which, I would respectfully suggest, implies that the electorate did not want these individuals as their representatives. Surely that is the essence of democracy?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,141 ✭✭✭Yakuza


    The down side of democracy is that we get the politicians we vote in :) We only have ourselves to blame if we keep voting in these parish-pump gombeen local-interest platform back slappers. I'm appalled at the apparent resurrection of FF (have we really that short a memory) mainly as a backlash against FG and Labour, (and yes, I acknowledge election promises have been broken) but the reality is that no matter who was in power, the cutbacks that are being made today would still have to be made.

    I wouldn't be in favour of scrapping the Seanad, we need a two-tier house to provide some oversight on what the politicans are doing, but I would be in favour of reforming how it's filled.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭artful_codger


    Mick Wallace thinks there are too many criminals in jail. Lets release a few hundred and send them down to live in Wexford.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Kenny telling everyone what you get on the internet in terms of sexual images


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭sligojoek


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Kenny telling everyone what you get on the internet in terms of sexual images

    It's called research ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭the_monkey


    This american wan.... so full of PC BULLSHÏT !!!!


    God, Imagine trying to work with that BULLSHÍT all day !!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Are you a man? :P


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭the_monkey


    Yeah, the little knacker basically threatens to burn a car if his horses are taken away.

    Little toe rag, why is this even given airtime, these knackers don't even look after the animals properly - it's cruelty pure and simple.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,730 ✭✭✭europa11


    Blinkered viewpoint (pun intended) from Mr. O'Halloran. Maybe he should get out some more and see these scuts behaviour on the roads with their "pets" carrying up to 2 or 3 at a time on one of these sulkies.

    Obviously no little horse lover will be targetting his business up in sainted Moyross.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,141 ✭✭✭Yakuza


    Antidotal evidence - is that evidence that cures the problem?

    And now this waffler is comparing a horse to a rugby ball?

    And of course, any statistic or documented event that doesn't suit yer man is an "isolated case".


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭artful_codger


    Jesus, that man should be frogmarched out of Montrose for his complete ignorance of horse welfare. Build horse tracks for knackers !? Sure lets build racing tracks for joyriders.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    Callan57 wrote: »
    So if the democratic result isn't to your liking you want a second "intellectually eletist" electorate who will give you the result you want ... there is a name for that but it's not democracy.
    Not having any personal knowledge of any of the individuals you name I refrain from making any judgement on their moral or intellectual capacity ... I simply stated the fact that at least two of them have been rejected by the electorate on a number of occasions which, I would respectfully suggest, implies that the electorate did not want these individuals as their representatives. Surely that is the essence of democracy?

    They've been rejected by a system which gives a massive advantage to baby-kissers, coffin-chasers and glorified county councillors. It would be nice to have a fully independent upper house, democratically elected (nationally, like a presidential election, rather than in constituencies), and whose members aren't beholden to party whips, or to the whims of toothless yokels in godforsaken parishes in the back arse of nowhere.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    That must be one of the saddest items I have ever heard on PK Show ... respectable middle-class men - sad, inadequate perverts who are unable to engage with a woman on terms of equality morelike.

    And what about the wives & girlfriends these "respectable middle-class men" go home to - carrying God alone knows what STD's!. Wonder are there any stats for the number of women who have been infected with STD's as a consequence of their menfolk having encounters with the so-called oldest profession?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    I find John Drennan infuriating.. He can never answer any question, instead choosing to preface every remark with some meandering attempt at being funny..


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    I find John Drennan infuriating.. He can never answer any question, instead choosing to preface every remark with some meandering attempt at being funny..


    Agree his silly, smartass, schoolboy quibs have long ceased to be amusing. :mad:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    Callan57 wrote: »
    Agree his silly, smartass, schoolboy quibs have long ceased to be amusing. :mad:

    What's even funnier is he gets paid a fee for he's input!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,076 ✭✭✭parasite


    I wonder is that how he talks all the time, in rehearsed tortuous metaphors ? strange man


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