The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread

HigginsJ · 15-06-2013 11:45pm

taidghbaby wrote: »

Dolphins looking at Leach! FB ranks pretty low on importance nowadays, but Leach could really help take the pressure of Tannehill who in my mind is good, but not ready to carry an offence like RG3 or Luck, never mind some of the other QB veterans like manning, Brady or Breese etc!

I think they like the FB they have already Javorski Lane. He is pretty talented & Sherman knows him since his college days so I'd imagine they would give him a chance to improve on his rookie season

Son Of A Vidic · 16-06-2013 9:17am

Paully D wrote: »

82 days until the start of the season, and 50 days until pre-season starts. I know it's still a long way away, but the days are ticking down nicely IMO.

Once we get to preseason I always think we're virtually there. Doing that makes it a bit closer for me anyway and easier to bear the wait.

TaosHum · 18-06-2013 3:56pm

HigginsJ wrote: »

I think they like the FB they have already Javorski Lane. He is pretty talented & Sherman knows him since his college days so I'd imagine they would give him a chance to improve on his rookie season

That may be the case, but if you look at what the Fins have done already this off-season and how aggressive they have been, going after an all pro like Leach makes sense. Considering Miami will be going with 2nd year man Lamar Miller, bringing in a solid vet like Leach would aid Miller's development and open up more holes for him in the running game. Miller is a home run threat, so getting him into the second level as much as possible will mean big gains. Leach would really aid this.

I think it would be a terrific move. With the AFC at its weakest in some time, there is an opportunity for a team like Miami to make a real push at the playoff's.

Paully D · 19-06-2013 1:39am

Not a fan of Prisco at all, but this is quite a good article with plenty of insight from Matt Ryan, about the Falcons and Seahawks NFC Championship game.

There's plenty of pictures, diagrams etc, so I'll just copy the link:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/22449285/after-further-review-ryan-rewinds-tape-on-final-drive-of-nfc-title-game

"Before we get started, I want to say that the game wasn't won or lost on this drive," Ryan said. "We had opportunities earlier. I will pull up three plays from earlier that changed the game. We talk about three or five plays that determine the outcome. It wasn't just that last drive."

....

To help study each of those plays, I will offer some pictures and Ryan will provide the narrative to help make what happened more vivid -- even if Ryan and the Falcons might not want it that way.

poldebruin · 19-06-2013 9:30am

Aaron Hernandez questioned, home searched in connection with a murder. Article states he is not a suspect, but a rental car in his name is connected in some way.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130618/patriots-hernandez-questioned-by-police-in-homicide-probe/?sct=uk_t2_a3

adrian522 · 19-06-2013 10:19am

Paully D wrote: »

Not a fan of Prisco at all, but this is quite a good article with plenty of insight from Matt Ryan, about the Falcons and Seahawks NFC Championship game.

There's plenty of pictures, diagrams etc, so I'll just copy the link:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/22449285/after-further-review-ryan-rewinds-tape-on-final-drive-of-nfc-title-game

That's a great piece Paully, think I'll re-watch that last drive again.

Similar in many ways to the 49ers last drive in the superbowl.

poldebruin · 19-06-2013 10:49am

Paully D wrote: »

Not a fan of Prisco at all, but this is quite a good article with plenty of insight from Matt Ryan, about the Falcons and Seahawks NFC Championship game.

There's plenty of pictures, diagrams etc, so I'll just copy the link:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/22449285/after-further-review-ryan-rewinds-tape-on-final-drive-of-nfc-title-game

An enjoyable read alright, especially at this stage of the offseason.

I remember watching the game, and the Falcons should have been out of sight. They let the 49ers hang around and couldn't take their chance when they had it at the end.

The high, aerial, 3/4 shots are great, and really give you a better sense of the space on the field that you don't get from the traditional TV shot.

Son Of A Vidic · 19-06-2013 9:51pm

I see the atention grabbing idiot Bernard Pollard was flapping his chops again.

Our goal is the Super Bowl and our mission is to kill. And if someone doesn't like it, then who cares? I really couldn't care less

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000213520/article/bernard-pollard-goal-is-super-bowl-mission-is-to-kill

Four teams in seven years pretty much sums him up. Getting rid of him was a wise move by the Ravens. And I wonder how long the Titans will put up with him?

helimachoptor · 19-06-2013 11:14pm

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

I see the atention grabbing idiot Bernard Pollard was flapping his chops again.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000213520/article/bernard-pollard-goal-is-super-bowl-mission-is-to-kill

Four teams in seven years pretty much sums him up. Getting rid of him was a wise move by the Ravens. And I wonder how long the Titans will put up with him?

A long time i think, if the Titans D performs well he'll stay, he brings attitude but in reality whats he going to say? We're happy to be 3rd AFC south?

JaMarcus Hustle · 20-06-2013 9:17pm

Fair play to him, he said he was getting in shape and he did just that - JaMarcus Russell is looking better than he has in years.

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Son Of A Vidic · 20-06-2013 9:22pm

^ ^ ^

:eek: I think a simple feck me will suffice.

Fair play indeed. Would love to see him make a roster.

AIR-AUSSIE · 20-06-2013 9:37pm

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Fair play to him, he said he was getting in shape and he did just that - JaMarcus Russell is looking better than he has in years.

Is there any more episodes of the documentary on his comeback?

GoldFour4 · 20-06-2013 10:02pm

Yeah they are available online. Saw episode 4 randomly last week. Can't remember where though. Think youtube has them? He has worked extremely hard though and I really hope he gets a shot. When you look at all the criticisms a guy like Tebow gets and still managed to be picked up as a free agent time and time again it seems unfair on Russell. He was poor for this first team and didn't really have a chance after that.

Paully D · 20-06-2013 10:03pm

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Fair play to him, he said he was getting in shape and he did just that - JaMarcus Russell is looking better than he has in years.

Fair play to him, huge difference from this:

Kylo Ren · 21-06-2013 12:21am

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Fair play to him, he said he was getting in shape and he did just that - JaMarcus Russell is looking better than he has in years.

Wow.

I'm calling it now, Pats will sign him as a TE.

Syferus · 21-06-2013 12:58am

malistheman wrote: »

Yeah they are available online. Saw episode 4 randomly last week. Can't remember where though. Think youtube has them? He has worked extremely hard though and I really hope he gets a shot. When you look at all the criticisms a guy like Tebow gets and still managed to be picked up as a free agent time and time again it seems unfair on Russell. He was poor for this first team and didn't really have a chance after that.

Would people please stop equating the two?

JaMarcus threw away his career through stupidity and laziness. Tebow is about the hardest worker you'll find, nevermind being a very good leader and team-mate to boot.

I'm always happy to see someone making a go of things but let's be honest - Tebow deserved a chance, few could argue JaMarcus does. If he gets one, all and good, but let's not fool ourselves about whose fault it is he's in this situation to begin with.

mikemac1 · 21-06-2013 6:16am

Ed Reed ranked 18th in the top 100 on NFL Network

Last season he was not even the best safety on the roster.

Texans aren't getting the player they are expecting imo on this pricy two year deal

Paully D · 21-06-2013 4:07pm

mikemac1 wrote: »

Ed Reed ranked 18th in the top 100 on NFL Network

Last season he was not even the best safety on the roster.

Texans aren't getting the player they are expecting imo on this pricy two year deal

Apparently they didn't think he'd need surgery either. I love Reed, always will, but he would have been more effective as a fence at Cheltenham given how many times he got hurdled last year. His shoulder is in bits and he can't tackle any more.

I feel the Texans will find that the grass isn't always greener after letting Glover Quin go to get Reed in. Although his leadership and winning mentality will be invaluable to a team that need to get over the hump of beating an elite team in the playoffs, they've taken a step back on the playing side of things at that safety position.

21-06-2013 10:05pm

mikemac1 wrote: »

Ed Reed ranked 18th in the top 100 on NFL Network

Last season he was not even the best safety on the roster.

Texans aren't getting the player they are expecting imo on this pricy two year deal

I love Reed but there's no way. He was there in his peak yeah but he's a ghost of what he used to be.

Also Flacco getting beaten out by Matt Ryan and RG3???
Joe outplayed both of them last year.

SantryRed · 21-06-2013 10:17pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I love Reed but there's no way. He was there in his peak yeah but he's a ghost of what he used to be.

Also Flacco getting beaten out by Matt Ryan and RG3???
Joe outplayed both of them last year.

No he did not. He got hot at the right time, but how did he outplay RGIII?

Regular Season 2012 Stats:

Flacco: 317/531 60% comp 22 TDs 10 INTs 3,817 yards
RGIII: 258/393 65.6% comp 20 TD 5 INTs 3,200 yards with 815 yards on the ground and 7 TDs on 120 attempts.

That's also only in 15 games compared to Flacco's 16.

Matt Ryan: 422/615 68.6% comp 32 TDs 14 INTs 4,719 yards

Both players clearly outplayed Flacco.

Post season:

Flacco: 73/126 58% comp 11 TDs 0 INTs in 4 games
Griffin was injured for the game against the Seahawks so not a great measure.
Ryan: 54/77 70% comp 6 TDs 3 INTs in 2 games

So I think to say Flacco outplayed both of them is wrong tbh. Especially RGIII.

eagle eye · 21-06-2013 10:47pm

Its easy for a QB to play from behind a wall and that is what Flacco had. I don't think that OL got enough credit for what they did last season.

mikemac1 · 21-06-2013 11:21pm

Ravens Oline chopped and changed all season and it did not get to its strongest unit until the playoffs.

Solid but it was nowhere near a top Oline in the regular season.

Gave up 38 sacks in the regular season which was 19th in the league
Gave up 69 QB hits which is 14th and despite two fantastic backs in Rice and Pierce and the best fullback in the league in Leach were 12th in the league in yards per carry at 4.3

Some say your right tackle must be a great run blocker. Maybe. Didn't work in Baltimore who were 10th in the league for negative yards when rushing to the right. Having Tight ends who are abysmal blockers did not help either.

Michael Oher played at left tackle and allowed 10 sacks (joint 3rd highest for linemen in the league) and committed 11 penalites.
Big Mike may have name recognition and get fans votes for the probowl but you won't find many Ravens fans calling him a pro bowler.

At left guard there was 36 year old Bobbie Williams signed from FA after being released by the Bengals. A popular player in the locker room but his best days long gone and he was benched after six games. In came 6' 7" 335lb Mike Mayock favourite Jah Reid.
Signed to be a right tackle but got abused in pre-season due to being slooooooow so he was tried at guard. Fans hoped his size and strength would mean good things for the run game. Benched as a liability.

Finally a solution was found in Kelechi Osemele who was utterly superb at left guard and make fans soon forget about 1st rounder Ben Grubbs who went to New Orleans in free agency.

Center
A top pro and leader in Matt Birk who got collasal criticism for being abused by Vince Wilfork in the 2011 AFC Championship game. The fact he played hurt for years and had his knees drained after every game meant many thought he was going to retire before this season.
Had a solid year but nothing spectacular.

Right Guard
Best RG in the league and one of the top 5 players on the roster was Marshal Yanda who started every game, elected to the pro bowl and will be a beast for years to come. Not bad for a 3rd round pick from Iowa!

Right tackle.
Kelechi Osemele did his best but was whipped by speed rushers and make rookie mistakes. Guard is where he belongs and Oher can be steady and then commit 2 penalties in a row.

The offensive line was different class in the playoffs and certainly deserves full credit.
It was not like that at all in the regular season.

Going by reports Bryant McKinnie has slimmed down and is working hard. A lot of the season will depend on him!
If he goes back to the dog house the line will chop and change again

22-06-2013 12:42am

SantryRed wrote: »

So I think to say Flacco outplayed both of them is wrong tbh. Especially RGIII.

Yeah when you look at the stats like that I can't argue that they had better statistical years. Didn't realise Ryan had such a good year.

Son Of A Vidic · 22-06-2013 6:00am

Sometimes you can throw about all the stats you want, but what they usually don't show is that immeasurable - a teams destiny. I'm a bigger believer in it. Flacco was dire at times last season, but in the playoffs he didn't put a foot wrong and deserved his big pay day. Oh stats might show they stumbled into the playoffs losing 4 of their last 5 games. But they won when it mattered and that's the only stat that counts at the end of the day.

davyjose · 22-06-2013 8:22am

SantryRed wrote: »

No he did not. He got hot at the right time, but how did he outplay RGIII?

Regular Season 2012 Stats:

Flacco: 317/531 60% comp 22 TDs 10 INTs 3,817 yards
RGIII: 258/393 65.6% comp 20 TD 5 INTs 3,200 yards with 815 yards on the ground and 7 TDs on 120 attempts.

That's also only in 15 games compared to Flacco's 16.

Matt Ryan: 422/615 68.6% comp 32 TDs 14 INTs 4,719 yards

Both players clearly outplayed Flacco.

Post season:

Flacco: 73/126 58% comp 11 TDs 0 INTs in 4 games
Griffin was injured for the game against the Seahawks so not a great measure.
Ryan: 54/77 70% comp 6 TDs 3 INTs in 2 games

So I think to say Flacco outplayed both of them is wrong tbh. Especially RGIII.

Does postseason suddenly not count?

SantryRed · 22-06-2013 8:22pm

davyjose wrote: »

Does postseason suddenly not count?

I included post season too, but you obviously take the whole season into account, and what he did in the post season doesn't put him past what Ryan and Griffin did in the regular season.

SantryRed · 22-06-2013 8:23pm

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Sometimes you can throw about all the stats you want, but what they usually don't show is that immeasurable - a teams destiny. I'm a bigger believer in it. Flacco was dire at times last season, but in the playoffs he didn't put a foot wrong and deserved his big pay day. Oh stats might show they stumbled into the playoffs losing 4 of their last 5 games. But they won when it mattered and that's the only stat that counts at the end of the day.

And the game they did win, Flacco checked down on a 4th and 29. Still can't believe he did it, and even more so can't believe Rice pulled it outta the bag!! :pac:

Kylo Ren · 22-06-2013 11:12pm

NFL are unveiling a new award in 2013: The Deacon Jones Award, given to the player with the most sacks.

Son Of A Vidic · 23-06-2013 8:44am

Keno 92 wrote: »

NFL are unveiling a new award in 2013: The Deacon Jones Award, given to the player with the most sacks.

Most sacks?........I thought all us lads had only two sacks?

Yes I know.

* gets coat *

helimachoptor · 23-06-2013 9:02pm

Hey lads, NFL ticket exchange whats the low down?
Want to book some good tickets for the seattle/titans game and the guys on the seahawks forum think i'd be better off getting good seats on there rather than crappy seats from ticketmaster.

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