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LuasWest alignment
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31-01-2008 2:17pm#1
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Is this proposal in the form of a LUAS or Metro line - if the line is going to be generally an at-grade affair, why spend the money pretending it's a Metro spec when it clearly isn't. Just build a LUAS instead and call a spade a spade. The route could go straight through Clondalkin then instead of messing up the Fonthill Link Road (Parts of the road look set to be reduced in width to just 2 standard lanes).
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I suppose (in theory-who knows if it will ever happen mind!) running the alignment like that means it can be converted piecemeal to more segregated running, junction by junction as funds arise over the coming decades. Running the line right through (for example) Clondalkin Village would ensure no such upgrade would be possible.Irish and Proud wrote: »???
Is this proposal in the form of a LUAS or Metro line - if the line is going to be generally an at-grade affair, why spend the money pretending it's a Metro spec when it clearly isn't. Just build a LUAS instead and call a spade a spade. The route could go straight through Clondalkin then instead of messing up the Fonthill Link Road (Parts of the road look set to be reduced in width to just 2 standard lanes).
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If I had any faith in the powers that be I would say "hold off building this thing and just reserve the alignment until more housing and business goes in along the route" but I know in my heart they won't do it so I say build it now and hope for the best.
Different sections of Luas west (it is a tram, despite the name!) will have different levels of 'metro like' features. For example-a rider boarding at the Blanch Centre should have a pretty fast and reliable journey as far as the Mill Centre in Clondalkin (assuming they go for the more expensive options in and around Liffey Valley). The entire northern section of the route should be very fast with few at grade crossings and few stops! Blanch to the airport should be quite fast.
It's not ideal but if we had the money for another underground type 'proper metro' I'd prefer to see another radial one built out towards Tallaght via the KCR along the lines of a platform for change instead of an orbital metro. Who knows though-Luas west could surprise us all and be very popular.0 -
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Irish and Proud wrote: »???
Is this proposal in the form of a LUAS or Metro line - if the line is going to be generally an at-grade affair, why spend the money pretending it's a Metro spec when it clearly isn't. Just build a LUAS instead and call a spade a spade. The route could go straight through Clondalkin then instead of messing up the Fonthill Link Road (Parts of the road look set to be reduced in width to just 2 standard lanes).
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IF we want to be pedantic about it...
Nearly all definitions of the word metro (in regards to transport) say a metro is a subway/underground system... that strict definition would rule out large sections of what people think of as metro systems.
Then on the other side of things LA, for example, use Metro as the transport authority's name and the name of the whole system (ie bus, busway, underground rail lines, part at grade rail lines etc etc).
What Dublin needs - as well as joint-up thinking in planning and management - is joint-up branding. As I've said before here: I'd go as far as branding Dublin Bus, the Dart, Luas and Metro under one name as they do in LA (ie totally remove the names Luas, Dublin Bus, Dart)....it won't run at speed...
Even compared to the rush hour road speeds in Dublin?
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Just got around to looking through a few of these. Ingenious approach, to improve our transportation by adding new traffic conflicts. Good luck with that. The plans seem to herald a new era of traffic lights replacing roundabouts. It's like reversing the 70s. It's not like Irish people ever learned how to use the bleeding things anyway.
The Kiss and Ride laybys look very practical, though, I'd imagine they'll prove a great hit among the young and young at heart.
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I suppose (in theory-who knows if it will ever happen mind!) running the alignment like that means it can be converted piecemeal to more segregated running, junction by junction as funds arise over the coming decades. Running the line right through (for example) Clondalkin Village would ensure no such upgrade would be possible.
If I had any faith in the powers that be I would say "hold off building this thing and just reserve the alignment until more housing and business goes in along the route" but I know in my heart they won't do it so I say build it now and hope for the best.
I think they'd be better off building this thing in sections, like starting off with a line from Fonthill on the Cork line, past Liffey Valley SC, on to Porterstown incorporating another proper interchange with the Western Commuter Line (missing from the plans for some reason
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It was originally a phased project but you would have to do it in a different order than you suggest as you need a depot to go with phase 1 and there's only a limited number of sites identified (all adjacent to the M50 Northern Cross).Irish and Proud wrote: »I think they'd be better off building this thing in sections, like starting off with a line from Fonthill on the Cork line, past Liffey Valley SC, on to Porterstown incorporating another proper interchange with the Western Commuter Line (missing from the plans for some reason ), and on to Blanch SC. Then do the Tallaght section.
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Fratton Fred wrote: »Or, they could just build a big tunnel and run it through that. It's amazing no other european city has ever thought of that:rolleyes::D
Does the geology on that route allow for building another tunnel? Even if it does, these days it's unacceptable to force workers to work the kind of hours for the little pay that some other cities used to build their underground systems! The cost implications would be huge!
Take London for example, it's easier to dig tunnels in North London because it's mostly soft clay and not rock! It's amazing how some people don't think of these considerations, they just come along for a spot of mild trolling.
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