Ahern to Launch ESB Network (again) later.

spongebob · 02-02-2004 12:59pm #1

He launched a few bits of it before so now he is launching the lot in one go again completely, then he will launch the first STM1 then he will launch the First Gig E and yadda yadda , its still the same ESB fibre network......... story on Silicon Republic Here

"ESB Telecom will be offering high-speed broadband packages including
STM4 (622 Mbps) lines for €400,000 a year;
STM1 (155Mbps) lines for €100,000 a year;
Ethernet (100Mbps) lines for €50,000 a year and
34Mbps for €50,000 per annum."

12 out of 19 Mans connected already.

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oscarBravo · 02-02-2004 3:18pm

Originally posted by Muck
12 out of 19 Mans connected already.

Which 12?

skrobe · 02-02-2004 7:29pm

Yes, please tell which 12 so i can hook up with it!
when and how will these work. will esatbt/utv be able to buy this and sell it on??

j

Jorinn · 02-02-2004 8:54pm

Originally posted by Muck
He launched a few bits of it before so now he is launching the lot in one go again completely, then he will launch the first STM1 then he will launch the First Gig E and yadda yadda , its still the same ESB fibre network......... story on Silicon Republic Here

"ESB Telecom will be offering high-speed broadband packages including
STM4 (622 Mbps) lines for €400,000 a year;
STM1 (155Mbps) lines for €100,000 a year;
Ethernet (100Mbps) lines for €50,000 a year and
34Mbps for €50,000 per annum."

12 out of 19 Mans connected already.

M

Hmm, so, I know this is entirely unreasonable, but supposing that subsidised fibre to the home was in place, and taking into account the contention adsl is said to have from eircom of 48:1.

We then take the 100mbps @50,000
divide by 48....
get 1041 or so.
now that's still abit on the expensive side for consumers.
So let's halve the bandwidth (and the pirce).
So we have 520 euro per year for 50Mbps
divide by 12.
Get 43 euro or so a month.
So um, 50Mbps for 43 euro a month anyone?

Heh, if only it would happen. Or are my figures well off the mark?

spongebob · 02-02-2004 9:32pm

Originally posted by Jorinn
Hmm, so, I know this is entirely unreasonable, Or are my figures well off the mark?

Yes ...... consider both ends of the fibre.

At the local end of the fibre you need a DSLAM in a street cab (€c. 400 per port installed) on the pavement outside the exchange and LLU at €14.50 MONTH EX VAT to get your line off Eircom .... 200 ports or so but ADSL2 as standard which supports 16Mbps at 2km or thereabouts dropping to 256k at 7km.

At the far end you need an internet port of 100Mbits and a block of c. 256 real IP addresses, about another €150k a year I'd say....in Dublin.

You should be able to offer 10Mbps at €100-120 a month and 2mbps at about €40-50 a month.

Start by applying for planning permission to the local authority for your street cab and write to Dermot Ahern saying you need a directive to Comreg on LLU PDQ

No voice service possible save VoIP .

M

dahamsta · 02-02-2004 9:45pm

Muck, lend us a quarter mill there bud, will ya?

spongebob · 02-02-2004 10:16pm

Originally posted by dahamsta
Muck, lend us a quarter mill there bud, will ya?

Dermie will give ya half of it if it is a Group BB Scheme....you are offering Genuine low contention Broadband and not the scabby Eircom rubbish after all. Get 200 punters (one per port) to shellack €200 each into a kitty and you only need to borrow €80k or 33% of the cost. The DSLAM should also support SDSL for certain customers who may need it for servers and stuff.

Local County Enterprise Board should be good for €10k - €15 k of that €80k seeing as the neighbourhood will get a competitive advantage over the next county

Couple of Euro whodyamacallits you can tap for a few bob in development grants and the like.

Crack that spreadsheet open Adam

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wexfordman · 03-02-2004 12:24am

Surely Muck your not suggesting subsidised BB are you ?

Next thing you know we'll be putting services in where its not economically viable, and the demand does'nt justify!!!!:D

Wexfordman

spongebob · 03-02-2004 10:02am

Originally posted by wexfordman
Next thing you know we'll be putting services in where its not economically viable, and the demand does'nt justify!!!!:D

Please don't start me on the Luas Wexfordman

The point I was trying to make was that IF the fibre was there it would then be possible to provision a street cab DSLAM with 200 ports, each capable of ADSL2 and SDSL/HDSL for about €80k. I was thinking of somewhere like Kinnegad as it happens.

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Ripwave · 03-02-2004 2:00pm

Originally posted by wexfordman
Surely Muck your not suggesting subsidised BB are you ?

Next thing you know we'll be putting services in where its not economically viable, and the demand does'nt justify!!!!:D

What, you don't think 200 users would make a system economically viable, Wexfordman?

Of course I notice that neither you nor Muck have any intention of putting your money where your mouth is. (In fairness to Brendan Minish, if he could get 200 users to invest a couple of months subscription up fornt in his scheme, he'd probably be doing something about it, rather than doing the beal bocht in here.

spongebob · 03-02-2004 2:39pm

Originally posted by Ripwave
What, you don't think 200 users would make a system economically viable, Wexfordman?

Yes it would....as I said before it would be fantabulous somewhere like Kinnegad.

Of course I notice that neither you nor Muck have any intention of putting your money where your mouth is. (In fairness to Brendan Minish, if he could get 200 users to invest a couple of months subscription up fornt in his scheme, he'd probably be doing something about it, rather than doing the beal bocht in here.

Oooooooh , Divide and Rule time . Pity I am ever so slightly under the influence of NDA's Ripwave. You'd be amazed at some of the funding sources that are out there

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viking · 03-02-2004 3:46pm

Originally posted by Muck
Yes it would....as I said before it would be fantabulous somewhere like Kinnegad...

Damn right, 200 users would make Kinnegad extremely viable for the provision of broadband, instead of "just about" viable as we are now...

Although, I think Wexfordman might have had "tongue in cheek" when referring to the viability of 200 users...:)

viking

Ryaner · 03-02-2004 8:34pm

I'm thinking someone should setup a site a look into that seriously. Looking at the numbers, on the 2mb connections for 40-50 and month, the content ratio is one to one. Correct me if I'm wrong and I'm thinking I prob am but if that was the case and you put the content ratio to 8:1, wouldnt the cost drop to say 10 a month accounting for the cost of the extra ports and so forth

Ripwave · 03-02-2004 8:39pm

Originally posted by Ryaner
I'm thinking someone should setup a site a look into that seriously. Looking at the numbers, on the 2mb connections for 40-50 and month, the content ratio is one to one. Correct me if I'm wrong and I'm thinking I prob am but if that was the case and you put the content ratio to 8:1, wouldnt the cost drop to say 10 a month accounting for the cost of the extra ports and so forth

If you could find 1500 users within striking distance of your connection point.

That's pretty much impossible.

Ryaner · 03-02-2004 11:43pm

Originally posted by Ripwave
If you could find 1500 users within striking distance of your connection point.

That's pretty much impossible.

Well theres the big thing I over looked :P Would be seriously nice tho if it was possible. Even maybe using wireless to increase distance?

Jorinn · 04-02-2004 2:10am

Originally posted by Muck
Yes ...... consider both ends of the fibre.

At the local end of the fibre you need a DSLAM in a street cab (€c. 400 per port installed) on the pavement outside the exchange and LLU at €14.50 MONTH EX VAT to get your line off Eircom .... 200 ports or so but ADSL2 as standard which supports 16Mbps at 2km or thereabouts dropping to 256k at 7km.

At the far end you need an internet port of 100Mbits and a block of c. 256 real IP addresses, about another €150k a year I'd say....in Dublin.

You should be able to offer 10Mbps at €100-120 a month and 2mbps at about €40-50 a month.

Start by applying for planning permission to the local authority for your street cab and write to Dermot Ahern saying you need a directive to Comreg on LLU PDQ No voice service possible save VoIP .

M

Um, DSLAM is for ADSL yes? Not needed for fibre to the home. This would be connections bypassing eircom. Oh, and they can do 10Mbit in sweden and higher elsewhere for 40euro a month, should be doable here too*.

* I said should, don't take issue with it, I know we're "different".

Ryaner · 04-02-2004 3:24am

The 10mb connection in Sweden as far as I can remember is Ethernet-to-home which actually the line this idea was based on was 100mb ethernet so wouldnt that be able bypass the local exchange loop and run basically like a cable service?

thegills · 04-02-2004 11:13am

Oh, and they can do 10Mbit in Sweden

Apples with Apples. The Swedish Gov committed €6Bn to broadband incl. FTTH. The Irish Govt. doesn't have that sort of cash.

Jorinn · 04-02-2004 2:53pm

Originally posted by thegills
Apples with Apples. The Swedish Gov committed €6Bn to broadband incl. FTTH. The Irish Govt. doesn't have that sort of cash.

Hmm, ah, right, they did though. Clearly the supluses were spent on some thing else though, hindsight is great ain't it?

Tom Dunne · 06-02-2004 5:21pm

Wonder would the ESB ever do this ?

An ESB type company in Canada is providing Internet access over power lines, but the big difference is the "last mile" is being provided wirelessly. Interesting.

Ryaner · 06-02-2004 7:23pm

I only quickly scanned that there first of and noticed this

Home computers equipped with 802.11b or "Wi-Fi" wireless access cards and within 150 metres of these access points will be able to use the service.

How secure is 802.11b? They should def do that over here. Free internet I'm thinking. It is a very good idea tho and I guess they beat me to it :P

Originally posted by ryaner
Even maybe using wireless to increase distance?

Ahern to Launch ESB Network (again) later.

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